tell me what the fuck to do

UncleBuck

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T5s!
Buck will tell you to"
  • Try a CFL grow.



    try a running go fuck yourself.

    alternatively, try being useful.​



    *

i fully stand by that.

why you would even suggest a CFL grow when i have made it clear that i am simply trying to maximize the effectiveness of the lights i have is beyond me.

check that, it is not beyond me.*

it is all easily explained by the fact that you are an idiot.
 

UncleBuck

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Hey buck, sounds good. Im not a fan of co2 either but i think the light mover idea could possibly be the only thing short of reinventing the wheel to help you out if you want to roll how you do. If you want another efficiant option check out dst s grow.....his indoor one with the vertical cool tube 600s in the cylinder design. Or get creative with a nft. All the best.
thank you for the suggestion. i will be checking out DST's grow.

:)
 

UncleBuck

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I understand that, but you can still utilize these breakers for your purposes too very easily. Only cook or do laundry during lights out. That frees up a lot of juice you could put to use. If you are serious about doing the indoor thing. Dryer is 30amps, stove is probably 50 amps. That's a lot of lights bro. you could easily run a temporary wire to those breakers to serve your purposes and remove it when you leave.

But if you are dead set on using 400's it sounds like you're not too serious about your indoor.
400's are for peoples closets man. Not lighting up a whole room.
i'm not interested in moving my oven to unplug it every day so i can cook my dinner.

i am as serious about my indoor as i am about my outdoor. serious enough that my dinner depends on it.

this does not require light mover and accordion ducting that i have to replace all the time or thousand watters or redoing the electric.*

cannabis is a simple plant. three 400 watters in a more than ample space is enough to grow plenty. my only interest is in how to optimize this set of conditions.

had no idea that a straightforward and honest question would produce so much drama.

nutes&nugs can still take a running go fuck himself.
 

Sire Killem All

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i thought i had made it pretty clear from the very first post that i was working with three 400 watters.

movers are by definition extra moving parts. i like to avoid extra moving parts in favor of keeping things simple.
i find this funny since the first post has a motorized lazy suzan as being a idea of urs. ok here is the deal you dont care to take advice from anyone it seems so jus do you and enjoy ur meager harvest. Light rails by far is ur best option to Max ur lighitng. but since it feels like reading a narration of a child not wanting to take the advice he asked for. do this, say "abracadabra" and ur 400's will be 4000's and u can get all the light you want.
 

UncleBuck

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i find this funny since the first post has a motorized lazy suzan as being a idea of urs. ok here is the deal you dont care to take advice from anyone it seems so jus do you and enjoy ur meager harvest. Light rails by far is ur best option to Max ur lighitng. but since it feels like reading a narration of a child not wanting to take the advice he asked for. do this, say "abracadabra" and ur 400's will be 4000's and u can get all the light you want.
when did i suggest motorized lazy susans?
 

UncleBuck

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i love you, but jesus christ.

there is a time and place for maximum effective trolling. and it's called the politics section, or toke&talk under the right conditions.

i don't blame you, you were like a moth to the light with some of the others in here originally.
 

jondamon

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Hey buck.

questions for you.

Q1. How are you measuring your gpw? Is it final dry weight vs light used regardless of veg time etc? So for 1x400w you're getting about 200g at harvest time?

Q2. What style of growing? Obviously soil but are you doing SOG with as many plants as possible it are you limiting numbers to say 4 per 400w.

Q3. Are you training any plants? LST topping FIM super crop etc?

Q4. What nutrients are you using? Organic? Chem? NPK ratio?

Q5. What equipment are you using for your ventilation?


Personally from my own grow room I use a 400w and pretty consistently hit +400g from my setup. Open reflector, filter fan combo.

There is a link in my sig to my last grow. I've still got some of the plants drying currently.

I do however use coco with chem nutes, I utilise passive intakes and no added co2.


I'll try to help as best I can.




J
 

Jimdamick

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With what you want to use I can't see anyway to do it besides using a high yield strain in 3 gallon pots, a 5 week veg, grow vert and pack the shit out of the area you can illuminate with the 400's. You really don't have many other options in my opinion.
 

Sire Killem All

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when did i suggest motorized lazy susans?
ok you got me there, i guess was day dreaming and put my own idea in there... would be badass tho.... ur 42k post tells me u probly seen this question or ones similar to it during ur time on RiU. 10.5 x 14.5 is 152sqft. my suggestion is split ur room up, poly it and have a veg/clone side and a flowering side. take 1 400 and veg, put the other 2 in vertical tubes and go at it. making the space smaller will help with lost light due and reflect it back, plus u will have a veg area to keep some ready to go in the future.
 

joe macclennan

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i thought i had made it pretty clear from the very first post that i was working with three 400 watters.

movers are by definition extra moving parts. i like to avoid extra moving parts in favor of keeping things simple.

i am a cheap bastard with both indoor and outdoor grows. it's a weed. light, air, soil, water...it's not complicated.

i will reiterate that i am looking for suggestions on how to maximize the lights i have in the room i have. not interested in running extension cords across the house to the oven, or sealing a room for CO2, or light movers, or anything else superfluous.

no offense.
I'm a cheap bastard too. I meant no offense by this statement.

when it comes to indoor. The more you put in the more you get out. You can go cheap if you want. I have tried this route with multiple 400's with cheap hoods before. Then I invested in good equipment. Never went vertical tho. Not really practical for my setup. Maybe for my ebb buckets. We'll see.

I'm telling you buck you will be MUCH happier with the results of a single 1000 over multiple 400's in flower.

One 1000 puts out close to the same lumens as all three of the 400's you want to run. with far greater intensity. @ around 2/3 electric consumption. which equals larger colas and larger harvests. Now the only thing you will lose is coverage.

Hence...a mover

Going cheap outdoor is so much easier cuz you have that huge lamp in the sky. Going cheap indoors and you will always be chasing a better harvest. Quite literally apples and turnips bub.

As far as what you made clear in your first post. The only thing I read that was set in stone was your 15 amp limitation. Which even this can be remedied. Obviously now I know that for some odd reason you are also in love with 400's. Do some reading on the output of 400's vs 1000's

As far as the flexible ducting and stuff, this would not be necessary for you since you said you are not interested in going sealed and with your unlimited supply of cool air, actively cooling your lights would be unnecessary.

The only reason I gave the description of my movers and lights is, well, yes, I was bragging a bit because I am proud of how they work. not because I think this exact setup is right for you.

i'm not interested in moving my oven to unplug it every day so i can cook my dinner..
you wouldn't have to. Run a wire to the same breaker as your oven or dryer and only cook or do laundry when lights off.

Simple.

you want to run multiple lights off 120v in a house wired for 60 year old code? you are asking for trouble, this is how fires start. Bottom line, with three 400's pulling around 4 amps a piece you are at the max for that circuit. 80% this is assuming all electrical wires are up to snuff.

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i am as serious about my indoor as i am about my outdoor. serious enough that my dinner depends on it..
trying to flower under multiple 400's isn't serious it's stubborn imvho.
this does not require light mover and accordion ducting that i have to replace all the time or thousand watters or redoing the electric.*
No it doesn't require a mover you would simply gain greater returns from your space. With less risk but, yes, more investment and setup As far as the ductwork goes as stated earlier, you wouldn't need any at all.
i
cannabis is a simple plant. three 400 watters in a more than ample space is enough to grow plenty. my only interest is in how to optimize this set of conditions.
I think your idea of "plenty" from indoors and mine are quite different. You certainly have more than ample space, just not more than ample lighting.

i
had no idea that a straightforward and honest question would produce so much drama.
LOL did you forget where you were?

I do understand where you are coming from as far as the lights you have purchased already and keeping it simple. I would be interested to see some of your finished plants when you are done to compare them to others I have seen flowered under 400.

tbh, I have never seen a multiple 400 vertical grow.

I hope you knock it outta the park buck. Good luck

Is it time for the dick pics now?
 

joe macclennan

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fucking. go digital. they grab half the amps as magnetic. so you could run 4 . 600 waters easly
I agree with going digital. Just not with your estimate of how many he could pull off 15 amps.

My 1000 digis's pull around 8 amps when wired for 120 or 4 amps when wired for 220 so using this for a comparison a 600 would pull around 6 amps when wired for 120v

6x4=24 which is WAY over a 15amp circuit.

they do not pull half vs. magnetic. Not even close to half. Closer to 10%less
 

UncleBuck

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Hey buck.

questions for you.

Q1. How are you measuring your gpw? Is it final dry weight vs light used regardless of veg time etc? So for 1x400w you're getting about 200g at harvest time?
yep, final dry weight versus watts used.

i never pay attention to veg time, just the shape of the plant. i can veg some plants for a very long time and keep them small by pruning them for shape, cloning from them, etc. or i can make a plant tell in less time. i always have a supply of clones and veg plants of various sizes and moms around.*



Q2. What style of growing? Obviously soil but are you doing SOG with as many plants as possible it are you limiting numbers to say 4 per 400w.
depends. i have a series of small cabinets right now, some are smaller, some are larger. in the larger ones, i will do less plants that are bigger, in the smaller layers, i do more plants that are smaller.

Q3. Are you training any plants? LST topping FIM super crop etc?
most of the training is done in veg, i prune for shape. sometimes i will supercrop in flower if they get too tall, but not often.

Q4. What nutrients are you using? Organic? Chem? NPK ratio?
i just switched to maxsea, they are chemical ferts. kinda stupid of me since i use organic soil, but oh well.

Q5. What equipment are you using for your ventilation?
in the small layers i have now, i just use computer fans for circulation, exhaust, and intake, as well as some oscillating fans around to keep the air in the ambient area moving as well.


Personally from my own grow room I use a 400w and pretty consistently hit +400g from my setup. Open reflector, filter fan combo.

There is a link in my sig to my last grow. I've still got some of the plants drying currently.

I do however use coco with chem nutes, I utilise passive intakes and no added co2.


I'll try to help as best I can.




J
i've pulled over a pound many times from a layer with two 400 watters before, which is closer to .62 per watt. i'm just thinking that now that i have unlimited space rather than a rinky dink cabinet, i can really get close to a gram per watt.

but i'm not greedy, if i get only a half a gram per watt, i'll eat just the same.

thanks for your help, i'll check out your grow!
 

UncleBuck

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ok you got me there, i guess was day dreaming and put my own idea in there... would be badass tho.... ur 42k post tells me u probly seen this question or ones similar to it during ur time on RiU. 10.5 x 14.5 is 152sqft. my suggestion is split ur room up, poly it and have a veg/clone side and a flowering side. take 1 400 and veg, put the other 2 in vertical tubes and go at it. making the space smaller will help with lost light due and reflect it back, plus u will have a veg area to keep some ready to go in the future.
i have a veg area in the laundry room to keep the supply of plants going.

it seems that vertical is the way to go from what you and others have said, which is good because that's the idea i was having.
 

UncleBuck

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you want to run multiple lights off 120v in a house wired for 60 year old code? you are asking for trouble, this is how fires start. Bottom line, with three 400's pulling around 4 amps a piece you are at the max for that circuit. 80% this is assuming all electrical wires are up to snuff.
yep, i am not too fond of the electric in this house.

three 400 watters on 15 amps is about all i would ever risk doing. extension cords running a long ways scare the shit out of me.

as i've said, i'm not trying to get greedy here. i've done well for years on half the watts i'll have soon.*

i've just never had a huge space like this, so was thinking i could do something very efficient with it, rather than catering to a small space.


I think your idea of "plenty" from indoors and mine are quite different. You certainly have more than ample space, just not more than ample lighting.
maybe my idea of plenty does vary a bit. i've paid my bills on 2200 watts for flowering for a while now, i will be up to 4900 watts in a few weeks, which is all the house can safely handle.

there's no question about how to do the 3700 watts in the garage, i am limited by space which makes just a straight run necessary.*

but the spare bedroom is wide open and ready for maximization.
 

Sire Killem All

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still think one of the best things to do is poly and make it smaller. hell idk use the extra room in there for drying, storage or anything. Here is my thing, i don't know much about the plant end of it, but have dealt with others the have gone big, ex. built a spare house in back for it. that big of space u are losing a lot of light. once it gets past the plant it will be lost, as you said u wanna max the light then i say shorting up the length it has to travel. thats all, hope i booms for you wish i could jus vent the shit out my window woulda saved me a lot... lol.
 

UncleBuck

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still think one of the best things to do is poly and make it smaller. hell idk use the extra room in there for drying, storage or anything. Here is my thing, i don't know much about the plant end of it, but have dealt with others the have gone big, ex. built a spare house in back for it. that big of space u are losing a lot of light. once it gets past the plant it will be lost, as you said u wanna max the light then i say shorting up the length it has to travel. thats all, hope i booms for you wish i could jus vent the shit out my window woulda saved me a lot... lol.
that's the point of going vertical, so that the plants basically encompass the lights.

i was just wondering what people thought of my idea of setting it up.
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
Only up to page two thus far buck so excuse me if someone already mentioned this..
How about a stadium setup when running vertical.. kind of a tiered system.. not sure if this is the way Heath Robinson runs or not..
Another suggestion.. check out heath's grows if you haven't already .. heath's the man is when it comes to vertical ..
 
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