A tribute to Uncle Ben and the Almighty Leaf

[Samwell Seed Well]

12-1 gas lantern technique has no basis in botany-Uncle Ben

claims to have invented a topping technique that redistributes auxins from a main branch to lower branches through topping . . .. 1000's of years of agriculture and UB invented it

oh ya all products marketed to grow cannabis(a plant like any others ) are snake oils(except the products i promote markets for plants)-UB

 

[PJ Diaz]

As much as I like the lack of moderation some times I have to agree with you on that, especially for AMC. As I mentioned more or less my pompous self didn't like the other thread being closed... I can see why now. Reminds me of a thread about neo-nazis and a group they had/have here at RIU, some guy mentioned Voltair's quote... as if there are new 'valid' arguments any neo nazi could make that would justify allowing them to discuss their hate against... Well, not that different from people trolling up this thread without valid arguments.

Oh wait... that some guy is the mod of AMC... woops... (edit: meant no disrespect there CW..., made that clear in that topic I hope).

Speaking of valid arguments. The straw man was just an example of many fallacies that can show so easily when someone is talking out of his ass. A few examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies Maybe a bit too much but in particular people should read the informal fallacies, let me copy a few to easily show it's worth reading. Before that, let me add that in dutch the synonym for fallacy is 'thinkerror'

Argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance, argumentum ad ignorantiam) – assuming that a claim is true (or false) because it has not been proven false (true) or cannot be proven false (true).
Argument from (personal) incredulity (divine fallacy, appeal to common sense) – I cannot imagine how this could be true, therefore it must be false.
Argument from repetition (argumentum ad nauseam) – signifies that it has been discussed extensively until nobody cares to discuss it anymore.
(shifting the) Burden of proof (see – onus probandi) – I need not prove my claim, you must prove it is false.
Circular reasoning – when the reasoner begins with what he or she is trying to end up with; sometimes called assuming the conclusion.
Circular cause and consequence – where the consequence of the phenomenon is claimed to be its root cause.
Continuum fallacy (fallacy of the beard, line-drawing fallacy, sorites fallacy, fallacy of the heap, bald man fallacy) – improperly rejecting a claim for being imprecise.[16]
Correlative-based fallacies
Correlation proves causation (cum hoc ergo propter hoc) – a faulty assumption that correlation between two variables implies that one causes the other.[17]

Fuck... I could copy and paste the entire list and it would all apply... instead I'll grab the last one on the list:

Personal Attacks ("Argumentum ad Hominem")- the evasion of the actual topic by directing the attack at your opponent

Socrates - "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."
Spock: "Reverting to name-calling suggests you are defensive and therefore find my objections valid.

For the dumbasses that based on the latter conclude that anyone namecalling finds the objections valid I will add that that usually only applies if the namecalling comes without any valid arguments...

Warning: once you learned the above fallacies (in the link that is) you'll never believe a politician again. Upside is you'll smell bullshit a mile away.

It seems to me that you've just described several of UB's debate tactics. He is generally on the offense in these debates not the defense.

 

[Dboi87]

Yep, saw that years ago. I don't know what it is about this community that is so drawn to trends and gimmicks, which usually fail or are disappointing. You can have the stuff like DWC and SCROG too, wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Oh, then there was the craze with aeroponics. Man, is that kewl! (says little Johnny) One guy produces a little bud and everyone jumps on the aeroponics bandwagon. Now it's coir........and the band plays on. I was growing orchids in coir 25 years ago before it became popular in pot forums. Hell, wasn't even known then except with a few of us orchid growers. Never really did like it. Held up for a while and then within a very short period of time broke down, becoming anaerobic.

BTW, I stated the same MO, see post #293 above.

Learning the art of patience is a humbling experience for some.

UB

Uh oh... I was actually just finishing building my first screen. Could I have your insight on why scrog isn't your thing? What are the negatives to trellising in that way?

 

[420circuit]

This little system used Jack's in a hydro/aero rig popularized by Stink Bud. Did not trim leaves. Posting this to share my results and prove the point that listening to good advice from people with more experience can be rewarding.
View attachment 2794500600 watts, Northern Lights from Seedsman Seeds and a variety of other strains, mostly Barney's Farm. There has not been an insect in this room since I built it about a year ago, except for a spider that walked in when I left the door open. The adjacent room now has a no pest strip and the spider met an untimely demise. Leaves help plants grow. Seems simple enough.
View attachment 2794520This is White Widow from Seedsman also grown hydro with Jacks. Instead of arguing hypotheticals why not review facts and collaborate to seek out the best and most efficient path?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

the best most efficient path is often conditional to many things . . a set rules generalizing what to do may not apply

what works best in your environment for your strains and goals is what is best, and we can only learn what works best for us by looking into as many techniques as possible . .

this is not possible if you have a high school debate team outlook about what you knwo or what you think you know

\the only constant in life is CHANGE better get used to someone else knowing something you dont and to learn

when people are so obtuse to disreguard anyone else's experience on arbitrary principles . . best stand back objectively and ask yourself why

 

[PJ Diaz]

Now it's coir........and the band plays on. I was growing orchids in coir 25 years ago before it became popular in pot forums. Hell, wasn't even known then except with a few of us orchid growers. Never really did like it. Held up for a while and then within a very short period of time broke down, becoming anaerobic.

Coco is great when used in combo with perlite and I like to add peat moss too. I agree that used alone it can break down and become anaerobic, but that's not reason to dismiss it altogether. I also wouldn't grow in pure peat moss or pure perlite, but the three in combination make up a great medium. Add a bit of lime and worm castings and you're really in business! I also like to add granulated humic acids, guanos, alfalfa meal, and kelp meal to my mix to make up a complete "soil".

 

[Dboi87]

the best most efficient path is often conditional to many things . . a set rules generalizing what to do may not apply

what works best in your environment for your strains and goals is what is best, and we can only learn what works best for us by looking into as many techniques as possible . .

this is not possible if you have a high school debate team outlook about what you knwo or what you think you know

\the only constant in life is CHANGE better get used to someone else knowing something you dont and to learn

when people are so obtuse to disreguard anyone else's experience on arbitrary principles . . best stand back objectively and ask yourself why

True. I still just don't get though why you guys are in THIS thread. The defoliation thread was understandable and what should happen when there's a topic of controversy. But this thread was a tribute to UB amd leaves. Nothing else. You guys followed him all the way to a thread having nothing to do with anything but that man and foliage to attack him and people that for their own reasons take a liking to him. Isn't that exactly what you seem to be complaining about? Not letting others choose what they decide to go with without being condescended?

 

[Dboi87]

Not even trying to argue or go back and forth. I mean no disrespect to anyone. I just really don't understand. I'm not ever going into a thread dedicated to someone I don't like. Not even to prove a point or to rain on their parade

 

[Dboi87]

No Sir that is jungle weed, it would seem you do not know any better

i have to remind myself you're the imbecile who claims the only true SATIVA is held by the Flying Dutchman

what i found equally amusing was UB in all his wisdom left the camera information in his wheelbarrow picture

The 2.1 Mpixel Olympus C-2040Z

looks heavy, bet it was top of the range in its day

UB why do you not post pictures of plants you have grown more recently ?

A bit off topic but since it was brought up, what strains are good sativa strains and where could I get them? No one has given me any decent answers save for kitehigh once

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

Also, back to the corn thing. Duh you see corn die and turn brown after its harvested cuz its way more economical to run a combine team across a 100 acre field than hire a number of people to pick the corn individually. There is no point to have a plant that generates less than 50 cents a sq ft harvested any other way than it already is.

Um the corn is dead and brown before harvest. Thats us farmers drying and curing in the field. If you see green corn being harvested then its one of two things:

1. Seed corn which is still picked on the ear so the drying process can be controlled to help insure a good germ set. Then its shelled and bagged.
2. The entire plant is harvested and ground up. To be put in a bunker as silage. You know fodder for feed........

 

[chuck estevez]

Um the corn is dead and brown before harvest. Thats us farmers drying and curing in the field. If you see green corn being harvested then its one of two things:

1. Seed corn which is still picked on the ear so the drying process can be controlled to help insure a good germ set. Then its shelled and bagged.
2. The entire plant is harvested and ground up. To be put in a bunker as silage. You know fodder for feed........

Just from this one post, I can tell you have a far superior knowledge of corn. Sit. should just give up now.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Its only August but Sit420 is already the clear winner of "Troll of the Year' here at RIU. Lets all give the little fuck a big round of applause.

Edit: and lets start a collection to buy our little buddy a new helmet....

odd.. it seems to me that 90% of your posts here are spent berating anyone who disagrees with uncle ben. who's the real troll of the year?

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

odd.. it seems to me that 90% of your posts here are spent berating anyone who disagrees with uncle ben. who's the real troll of the year?

Me of course...but at the same time I am the grower of the year. Gotta feed all you little snot nosed brats ya know....


edit: please share your data on your 90% stat. you can be third place troll of the year.

 

[Sativied]

I'm almost speechless... I will never understand why some people choose to remain ignorant.

"Highschool debate outlook"... you don't even come close to that Sam Straw Well.


I could continue to point out the fallacies in your posts again and again (and in UB's and in my own...), but obviously some of you above simply don't care about logic and whether something is 'true' or 'valid'.

"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance" - Laurence J. Peter

Have fun making up as many techniques and beliefs as possible. I rather go with the facts.

Starting to get annoyed, might get the urge to start namecalling... and some might then think that's because I felt like I had lost a debate based on valid arguments... instead of your your your... nah, nvm, I'm done.

Why is it that some get my points and some don't...

"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone." - Ayn Rand

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

Just from this one post, I can tell you have a far superior knowledge of corn. Sit. should just give up now.

I forgot the third option. Sweet corn. Now that, just like our cannabis, needs to be picked at the peak peak of ripeness....

 

[gudkarma]

come on. ayn rand. eveverybody knows. nothing more than a cock loving day dreaming misanthrope of a whore.

a veritable dildo loving mind fuck fraud.

3rd eye = 3 holes

 

[PJ Diaz]

please share your data on your 90% stat. you can be third place troll of the year.

Just look at your own posts. 90% is an estimate. I could be a bit off. Maybe it's only 83%. I don't see how I can get third place, when chuck and you already tied for second. Doesn't it skip right to 4th?

 

[Dboi87]

this site and its content is RIU domain . . . .i am a member . . . .and no one is above reproach . . how one re react to others dis-beliefs and opinions is on the individual(you, me whomever- singularly), not those who interact with us . . . . .. UB's karma for his lies and his attitude

see how long he has been a member long time to be a fuck tard

So in other words, your reply was "it's a free country!"

 

[chuck estevez]

Just look at your own posts. 90% is an estimate. I could be a bit off. Maybe it's only 83%. I don't see how I can get third place, when chuck and you already tied for second. Doesn't it skip right to 4th?

Can't deny the results, if more than doubling my yields and cutting costs in half makes me a ub suckup, I'm gonna go ahead and own it. I have learned more from UB on how to grow and more from you on how to be a troll. so i got all bases covered. thanks

 

[Uncle Ben]

Uh oh... I was actually just finishing building my first screen. Could I have your insight on why scrog isn't your thing? What are the negatives to trellising in that way?

Maintenance.