Upgrading LED Lights
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medidedicated
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Man, feel like theres no reliable way to raise temps without some kind of fire hazard. Basement too large to warm up as needed without the home heat. I found drop clothing can isolate and create decent lung rooms.
But it would be a concrete wall with wooden/drywall structure right infront of the concrete wall. Like Just under 3”. Space heaters need 3’ clearance all around and shouldnt be unattended. I think oil radiators are the same.
What if I put some ceramic infares bulbs in the tents facing the canopy and the pots for the rootzone? Suggestions? I could benefit from the 80f like enviorment. I put clones in flower room to veg a couple wks longer. It didnt want more light but it did grow faster.
They shouldnt need 8+ wks veg Im at 10-12wks. Lately been noticing at harvest the main stock just folds and snaps in half instead of needing freakin hedge clippers. I dont want to effect them genetically shoot should find out about that. Its like 60-70F.
But it would be a concrete wall with wooden/drywall structure right infront of the concrete wall. Like Just under 3”. Space heaters need 3’ clearance all around and shouldnt be unattended. I think oil radiators are the same.
What if I put some ceramic infares bulbs in the tents facing the canopy and the pots for the rootzone? Suggestions? I could benefit from the 80f like enviorment. I put clones in flower room to veg a couple wks longer. It didnt want more light but it did grow faster.
They shouldnt need 8+ wks veg Im at 10-12wks. Lately been noticing at harvest the main stock just folds and snaps in half instead of needing freakin hedge clippers. I dont want to effect them genetically shoot should find out about that. Its like 60-70F.
medidedicated
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Well asking ai IR isnt any different for safety but the grow tent heaters from spider farmer etc are. I just remember hearing something bad about those or not compatible with my purpose. Will check those. Anyone use them?
medidedicated
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I mean, its got good review. Of course some bad but thats with any product which I have many of. 100$ 500w. It wont damage genetics so I guess Il let my mom plants sit a little cooler to help slow growth. It will trunk up and is more for production and testing as Im some what getting into breeding.
I know I can do it but its like learning how to grow but on steroids. Playing tetris in dark mode. A patient process. Its all about objective and I have a strong one. Feels like a calling.
I know I can do it but its like learning how to grow but on steroids. Playing tetris in dark mode. A patient process. Its all about objective and I have a strong one. Feels like a calling.
Rocket Soul
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Theres these heat blankets you can try to put under or maybe around the pots.
If still not enough the ceramic heaters are a good option, a buddy of mine uses them for winter ledgrows to great success. Id start out small, not sure if they are dimmable.
Another protrick is extract the bottom and intake on the top.
Ive also seen some use and praise small watt incandescent bulbs but be super careful with them, they can cause super stretch if wattage and throw isnt carefully matched. Like if you dim down your main light too much with them on the far red levels may give you stretch due to low main light.
medidedicated
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Awesome thanks, I tried that with a cfl and didnt realize the difference. I think Il try that with the extract thru bottom vent tech. Then the grow tent heater if needed but the ceramic IR I read it can scortch tent fabric and plants and to use probes everywhere on controllers. Just seems like a last resort.
As for spectrum, I was just pointing the cfl away from the plants with those clip on lamps or clamp lamp. So it was just shining in a corner for heat but didnt do much. I wonder if one or two is enough maybe three. Its a 5x3 thats 6 foot tall.
As for spectrum, I was just pointing the cfl away from the plants with those clip on lamps or clamp lamp. So it was just shining in a corner for heat but didnt do much. I wonder if one or two is enough maybe three. Its a 5x3 thats 6 foot tall.
Rocket Soul
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Yes thats the easiest thing to test first.
Heating mat under pots (thermostat is a must have! You can boil the roots if too much) would be my nr 2. I wish they made pots with built in heating cabling, would be narly.
Cfl is not an incandescent, has more visible light and less IR than incandescent. Widespread halogen spots can also be tried, they are easy to dim down. Just make sure its wide enough or mod the reflector.
I havent tried any of these things except extraction so your own responsibility, yymv.
Ive seen some excellent results online from adding 10% incandescent as spectrum filler for even deeper reds, far reds and IR.
compassionateExotic
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Do you run a deh in ur grow room ? Have bigger based mediums and that deh will run 24/7 and be a heater . my quests for my rooms is 25-50% of my hvac heat reduction needs ( uses a lot of btu deh ) and for winter runs it’s a god send for not having to use heaters and keep my temps at desired . Heaters are way more costly than cooling in my experience . even a 70liter deh if u had a bed style grow the thing would run hard at night and that’s ur heater ?
not everyone’s style I realize but it was a suggestion many don’t realize if they didn’t do that style ?
not everyone’s style I realize but it was a suggestion many don’t realize if they didn’t do that style ?
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medidedicated
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My tiny dehueys dont dump heat unless its already hot in grow room then gets hotter. By themselves they dont really dump as my lights out between tents used to be longer gap. My basement is humid like 55-65rh sometimes 70rh but thats good for veg.
It might be worth it might not be on that often if to exaust slow but just right for odor.
It might be worth it might not be on that often if to exaust slow but just right for odor.
medidedicated
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Mars hydro fce1500 the veg one I keep on juust before off position all of them. I recently put a timer for light schedule 18/6 and one of the lights dont turn back on. The dial is funny, it needs to turn some to turn on and starts off higher, you can dim it juuust before it turns off. It makes it as dim as possible.
Crazy my veg is like that idk what to change tho noones been able to figure that out. So is the timer just resetting the light to where its not turning on now because its below where it usually starts when turning on? Only one light is doing it. Is it a defect?
Crazy my veg is like that idk what to change tho noones been able to figure that out. So is the timer just resetting the light to where its not turning on now because its below where it usually starts when turning on? Only one light is doing it. Is it a defect?
medidedicated
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I got 3 total for veg, 1 is a fc series 1500. I got 5 more fce1500 in flower room I can just swap one of those if its a dimmer switch issue. Im testing if it does it again. Know what It would be better if I just test that today first then swap them.
medidedicated
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So I got it to do it again by unplugging, plugging back in. So I just turned it up a little to where it should register over each light cycle. I might try to return this or reach out to mars.
medidedicated
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Yea its working now. Just a quirky batch. Cannot be too dim or the light switch will turn it off on next cycle.
medidedicated
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So I wonder if those who get good results outdoor and not indoor led.. Maybe those phenos have higher light saturation points that the plants need to produce more hash. That if they did invest in lights youre average hobby grower dont use.. Or create them selves..
To provide that rediculous light satuation levels without any ambient added co2.. Idk lol, another connection? Ive been reading on how some phenos will just dump if you do. Hell they can even trigger a epigenetic change or mutation that actually makes them produce more hash.
Idk just food for thought. Maybe its not so much spectrum as it is light saturation points and strains benifiting from that outside. Idk maybe its just too hard to replicate, its a light source 90 million miles away and the way it enters our atmosphere etc..
To provide that rediculous light satuation levels without any ambient added co2.. Idk lol, another connection? Ive been reading on how some phenos will just dump if you do. Hell they can even trigger a epigenetic change or mutation that actually makes them produce more hash.
Idk just food for thought. Maybe its not so much spectrum as it is light saturation points and strains benifiting from that outside. Idk maybe its just too hard to replicate, its a light source 90 million miles away and the way it enters our atmosphere etc..
medidedicated
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So another connection before I forget. So if this was just me and not light saturation points, why did I only ever get like 15% max yield from dispensary flower? Where I live its like CA and CO its as good quality as it can get. I tried upping temps which raise yield and it did but never more than that.
Every strain I tried yielded flower rosin. I tried one at low temp and turned super blonde and was geeked but it was just looks really. It was half the yield barely anything looking back but was still stoked I could make something that looks like hash rosin.
Then I grew my own for pressing for first time. One pheno didnt yield anything, one yielded a little. One yielded 15% another about the same. Another 15% them struck gold with 20% and mothered that pheno.
Soooo ya. I dont this its just me, this a pretty valid connection. Making note before I forget. I hate forgetting things. Stoner memory. Il be like shiiit what did I just think of?! It was ground breaking ahh. Oh yea its that one thing.
Every strain I tried yielded flower rosin. I tried one at low temp and turned super blonde and was geeked but it was just looks really. It was half the yield barely anything looking back but was still stoked I could make something that looks like hash rosin.
Then I grew my own for pressing for first time. One pheno didnt yield anything, one yielded a little. One yielded 15% another about the same. Another 15% them struck gold with 20% and mothered that pheno.
Soooo ya. I dont this its just me, this a pretty valid connection. Making note before I forget. I hate forgetting things. Stoner memory. Il be like shiiit what did I just think of?! It was ground breaking ahh. Oh yea its that one thing.
hostagecs
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I'm sure there is hard science behind it but i've noticed outside in the heat with high uv days my flower finishes tricome wise way faster, i've tested some with moving to 25% white shade vs 50% black shade to see if i can slow down the tricomes and add bulk to the flower, some plants respond as less stress and go back to bulking and less so finishing. I believe when you stress a plant but keep it healthy enough you can get bigger results but you would have to test different things on the same genetics to prove it.
medidedicated
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I been playing with vpd chart site again and seeing I need to manually control everything or computerized. How tho lol Im bad with tech I curse at technology everyday. How can it control 6 separate tents? Do you need like compatable brands like aci fans and vivosun control panel?
I have a feeling I just cant. I need something to control ac, but it requires dimming lights and turning some up that are too cool in the tent.
I been playing with that vpd thing and seeing indeed Ive always been good. When it was off tho it explains the harsh look in leafs. Im using it to avoid gutation especially in buds and see that I have to always manually play with ac and lights. I would want rh as low as possible but not too dry.
Dehueys can be controlled but they arent on the dot. I set hygrometers on it and see how off it is while sometimes its accurate. When its not thats when it can be too humid or dry or hot or cold in tents. Just need to keep playing with that tool to check thru out each day and see what to dial in.
The advice ai gave me helped and when I play with the vpd tool its matches. Meaning its suggesting I stay just above the low end of the recommended range before its under transpiring. So when its cool at night the stomata closed, temps drop to 70F to slow down motabolism. To reduce accumilatimg root pressure.
So when lights on its not so tough on the plant. Just work to 78F slowly and 50 rh is fine. Shouldnt gutate and it hasnt since a few days ago doing this.
I have a feeling I just cant. I need something to control ac, but it requires dimming lights and turning some up that are too cool in the tent.
I been playing with that vpd thing and seeing indeed Ive always been good. When it was off tho it explains the harsh look in leafs. Im using it to avoid gutation especially in buds and see that I have to always manually play with ac and lights. I would want rh as low as possible but not too dry.
Dehueys can be controlled but they arent on the dot. I set hygrometers on it and see how off it is while sometimes its accurate. When its not thats when it can be too humid or dry or hot or cold in tents. Just need to keep playing with that tool to check thru out each day and see what to dial in.
The advice ai gave me helped and when I play with the vpd tool its matches. Meaning its suggesting I stay just above the low end of the recommended range before its under transpiring. So when its cool at night the stomata closed, temps drop to 70F to slow down motabolism. To reduce accumilatimg root pressure.
So when lights on its not so tough on the plant. Just work to 78F slowly and 50 rh is fine. Shouldnt gutate and it hasnt since a few days ago doing this.
hostagecs
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i mean you could jump into a raspberry pi system or similar, for instance a pi runs off 5vdc you can have them control relays for higher voltage/amps. its not as hard as everyone thinks you just have to learn some things. more or less you would plumb all the sensors into the pi or allow it to get readings, you will have to write the python which chatgpt is good at once you understand what you want to do. there is a bit of a learning curve but you will make the system what you need, not what shops sell thats generic to their form of growing imo
