Biscotti & Gorilla Zkittlez, DWC

Thats the thing about problems, the world will be watching for solutions. The guy from in house genetics says solutions will likely be found by the home grower sitting sround all day figuring out how to get rid of something daunting. Home grow power! We got this! Its pretty cool when you are the person to figure out a pretty handy solution.
 
Damn, sorry about the thrips. I havent dealt with that before. Watching for progress see if you find a way to get rid of them for future reference. Ive seen someone get rid of mites but I didnt see how exactly. Best of luck, hope it gets figured out.
This was really unlucky. I live in the centrum, there's like two trees nearby. I'm optimistic about getting rid of them. First I'm gonna halt their multiplying by applying rosemary oil compound, its a deterrant. Spinosad would be the best but I can't find it here. Edit; also pyrethrin will be applied.
 
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Thrips are nightmare fuel to me. I think I saw someone say they just grow with them, cant get rid of them. Ive heard people say they bag all theyre equipment and bugbomb it. Just not a easy pest to handle. I got gnats and aphids but those are too easy to get rid of.
 
Thrips are nightmare fuel to me. I think I saw someone say they just grow with them, cant get rid of them. Ive heard people say they bag all theyre equipment and bugbomb it. Just not a easy pest to handle. I got gnats and aphids but those are too easy to get rid of.
Here in Finland I'm mostly worried about viral infection they can carry. It's irreversible to the plant. These are light coloured, don't like to fly and I think I caught them early. Have killed only six in two days. I will have the pyrethrin in 4 days now. Albeit, your words make me worried!
 
You got this! That was just one person that said that. Ive been meaning to ask them about that when theyre active again. I was told powdery mildew is the worst thing that can happen to a garden but Ive shown thats not true. Youll end up pioneering the next best way to get rid of them. Its a step up from PM and gnats and budrot but you got this.

I think thats what IHG means, a commercial grow has dead lines and etc but a home grower can spend all their effort on it. Till its gone.
 
I vacuumed the pest ridden plants lol. First time for everything. Also took another layer of lower growth off. there were some and the situation is worsening little by little. I hope these won't become resistant to the spray - some do some don't. Otherwise it's a one month pause in growing. Either case, I'm gonna flower these ones.
 
Begone, fiend! Arrived in one business day.

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I'm gonna do one final defoliation, shut off fan so they'll come more on top leaves. Then, half an hour before darkness I'm gonna spray the bastards. First contact kills them all, most probably. Then set the glue trap both inter- and on top canopy. Eggs remain, so in five days it's another spray for the new generation of larvae. After that there's no guarantee what happens with resistance to pyrethrin. I have a good, 6 weeks time window to deal with these low life critters.
 
Begone, fiend! Arrived in one business day.

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I'm gonna do one final defoliation, shut off fan so they'll come more on top leaves. Then, half an hour before darkness I'm gonna spray the bastards. First contact kills them all, most probably. Then set the glue trap both inter- and on top canopy. Eggs remain, so in five days it's another spray for the new generation of larvae. After that there's no guarantee what happens with resistance to pyrethrin. I have a good, 6 weeks time window to deal with these low life critters.
I'm in the States (Southern California) and accept that my plants will get thrips. The product I use is Spinosad which his highly effective against thrips.

I ran this by chatGPT. The Stoller product works only when it hits a thrip vs Spinosad which is persistent. When I get thrips (not "if") I simply drench the plants on two successive days and that takes care of them. Per GPT, you can get a Spinosad spray but they may not be stocked locally.

Imported Spinosad Sprays​

If you're looking for a more effective thrips control, Spinosad-based sprays are available through international importers like Ubuy Finland, but they're not stocked locally:


Sorry to see that you've got thrips. I hate the little bastards but Spinosad will kill them.
 
I'm in the States (Southern California) and accept that my plants will get thrips. The product I use is Spinosad which his highly effective against thrips.

I ran this by chatGPT. The Stoller product works only when it hits a thrip vs Spinosad which is persistent. When I get thrips (not "if") I simply drench the plants on two successive days and that takes care of them. Per GPT, you can get a Spinosad spray but they may not be stocked locally.

Imported Spinosad Sprays​

If you're looking for a more effective thrips control, Spinosad-based sprays are available through international importers like Ubuy Finland, but they're not stocked locally:


Sorry to see that you've got thrips. I hate the little bastards but Spinosad will kill them.
Can't find spinosad in Finland but only in ant traps. That was my first go to after quick googling. With imports the cost goes too high IMO
 
Can't find spinosad in Finland but only in ant traps. That was my first go to after quick googling
Sorry to hear that.

I also use a silicon supplement (eg Silica Blast). Not sure if it helps reduce damage from thrips but it does make plants more resistant to infections.

From Bugbee's 2004 paper "Nutrient Management in Recirculating Hydroponic Culture"

Why add silicon to nutrient solutions?
Although silicon has not been recognized as an essential element for higher plants,
its beneficial effects have been shown in many plants. Silicon is abundant in all field grown
plants, but it is not present in most hydroponic solutions. Silicon has long been recognized
as particularly important to rice growth, but a recent study indicated that it may only be
important during pollination in rice (Ma et al. 1989).

The beneficial effects of silicon (Si) are twofold:
1) it protects against insect and disease attack (Cherif et al. 1994; Winslow 1992; Samuels 1991), and
2) it protects against toxicity of metals (Vlamis & Williams 1967; Baylis et al. 1994).

For these reasons, I recommend adding silicon (about 0.1 mM) to
nutrient solutions for all plants unless the added cost outweighs its advantages.
 
Sorry to hear that.

I also use a silicon supplement (eg Silica Blast). Not sure if it helps reduce damage from thrips but it does make plants more resistant to infections.

From Bugbee's 2004 paper "Nutrient Management in Recirculating Hydroponic Culture"

Why add silicon to nutrient solutions?
Although silicon has not been recognized as an essential element for higher plants,
its beneficial effects have been shown in many plants. Silicon is abundant in all field grown
plants, but it is not present in most hydroponic solutions. Silicon has long been recognized
as particularly important to rice growth, but a recent study indicated that it may only be
important during pollination in rice (Ma et al. 1989).

The beneficial effects of silicon (Si) are twofold:
1) it protects against insect and disease attack (Cherif et al. 1994; Winslow 1992; Samuels 1991), and
2) it protects against toxicity of metals (Vlamis & Williams 1967; Baylis et al. 1994).

For these reasons, I recommend adding silicon (about 0.1 mM) to
nutrient solutions for all plants unless the added cost outweighs its advantages.
I use Advanced nutrients Rhino Skin, Potassium silicate. Also adding myco soon.
 
@Delps8 infact I CAN get the spinosad without customs. I checked and the limit is currently 150€. It takes two weeks to arrive. I understood it's safe to use during flowering so this pyrethrin will be applied three times in three weeks. They're gonna start flowering in ~2.5 weeks so there will be plenty of time to use the spinosad.
 
It was all good today. Humid and warm environment put back on. Added an under canopy light now that it's not needed elsewhere. Im gonna foliar feed Remo's Velo Kelp 2ml/L from now on. 80cm basically full and one week remaining here, good time to choose more shoots while keeping the height ~40cm.

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Today, found one adult thrip on a leaf. Didn't get them all... Next pyrethrin spray is Monday but I might do it tomorrow so there will be less eggs.
 
In a moment, gonna spray the freshly defoliated girls with Sprutzit spray. It has the same ingredients as the pump spray, was on a discount. Just about to get dark in there.

Tomorrow, a wash-off and transfer to flowering tent, under ~45k lux. Gonna keep them 20/5 for another 3 days to adjust for the new light.

Went shopping...found an excellent deal on a 45W tower fan to replace the old and noisy digital one. It was hidden in the farmost corner at the shop, everything blocking access to it. A real bargain, only 29€!

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A really good 10W full spectrum led for houseplants. 14€
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And a cheap 3m LED strip for its 12V/1.5A transformer (runs up to 2x120mm fans) for future canopy fans. Gonna get some extra fans from a friend...

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Also ordered the Monkey Fan 2x120mm PC fan kit with mounts. Good bye turbulence!

Now I'm only lacking two hygrostats, then I'm set for the rest of the year. Dehumidifier is only needed after march or so.

Lazy Sunday here, some visitors. The weather is as good as it can be, warm and sunny with no wind. 8-)
 
Changed water. Ph was 3.4 so they had prolly an acid rain effect recently. Some purple had appeared on older petioles. All good otherwise, stunting was in place, they have no room to grow now.
 
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