Shit, you know what, I cant remember. 2 other guys, we were talking about tartans and how expensive a complete dress outfit was and how people at the rennisance festivals wear toatally fake kilts. Most of them dont know anything about the craftsmanship that goes into constructing a uniform and think they can go to joanne fabrics, buy a bunch of plaid material and wrap it around them and then theyre wearing a kilt. I saw a bunch of them the last time I went to pleasanton. They think they're pretty cool.