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Yes, you're right. However the main reason why I like the idea of MH/HPS so much is that its so easy and compact. Essientially two items provide the light (ballast and bulb) Which seems like a lot easier to manage then lots of different types of lights.. Plus I live in New Zealand so quality...

Okay, so bottom unless I really want to piss around I need to get a bigger box. Which means back to a 600w ballast.. ugh, what would be the worst/average/best yields I could get out of this method? Would I still get okay buds? More light the better, right? How shallow is shallow, I could...

But if I tie it down enough, shouldn't that stop it from getting too close? Is this method going to kill my yield? or will I just have stocky plants with lots of buds?

Can't really don't have enough cash, struggling to afford the lights... But slowing convincing myself that its worth it xD But with enough exhaust fans I should be sweet thought, right? If the bulb is the thing that creates the heat if I put a meaty fan on it to remove that heat everything...

I was thinking the same however I kinda don't want to go that low considering I might want to upgrade to a bigger box depending on how much I like growing... Is that a 65-75CFM? How hot do you think it'll get in the grow box? Um well I'm going to try and fit 1/2 and grow them like a side...

I was wondering what kind of Fan I would need to keep a 400w HPS/MH bulb cool for a grow box around the size of H: 24.4" D: 15.7" W: 21.7" I know, I know, its too small... But its what I've got and I want to grow my own :) I'm thinking 1 x fan for bulb 2 x fans for exhaust 1 x fan for...

Exactly! Any idea how well the plant will fill out the walls? How many plants could i do? I wonder how many fans i'll need and what size... 1 x bulb 1 x across plants? 1 x extractor? (or should I post this question in a different sub-forum)

Its the space I've got on hand/can make room for... Is it impossible to grow it width way?

Okay, how much hotter does that make the room its in? (do you vent out the bud box into a bigger room or just send it straight outside?) How loud is that fan and how much CFM does it produce? (product link maybe?) Cheers

Secondly, I found this chart... It seems pretty legit.. Am I going to need some sort of epic cooling for a 400w? What kind of fan do you have on your cool hood?

You sir, are my hero. If I figure out a way to do it, I would get the 400watt, and then if I wanted to expand and get a little bit more cash i'd get the 600watt or 400watt for another stealth grow.. How far way does the light have to be from the plants? and how close can it get? (for a 400watt)

Damn!! thats smoking, how big of a fan would you need to remove that heat? Instead of growing it height ways I was thinking of doing it diagonally (since I have more space to do it that way) Is this possible? I should be able to guide it like this if I tie it down a bit..? *and help with the...

I must be completely underestimating these bulbs... How much heat(in degrees) do they produce and how close can you put your plants/hand to it? Is it too much light?

Wow, that stinks.. Is that even with air cooling the bulb and everything? I was thinking of doing it like this and not like the traditional grow.. God an 5gallon pot is 11" high! Couldn't I get a smaller pot? or get a shorter/longer one?

Damn, what is the minimum size for a 400w grow? I found a really nice 400w system -> http://cgi.ebay.com/400W-WATT-MH-HPS-DIGITAL-BALLAST-HYDROPONIC-GROW-LIGHT_W0QQitemZ260750031445QQcategoryZ42225QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo Okay, so if I went CFLs what kinda yield's...

Sweet, I'll try and find some stores in NZ that sell this stuff... I'm wondering what will happen if I go in and ask for a 600w Digital Ballast, 600w HPS bulb and a 600w MH bulb isn't that just a bit suspect? I found http://www.ledwholesalers.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=673...

I've got on hand H:62cm 24.4" W:40cm 15.7" D: 55cm 21.7" This really has to be a stealth grow, so I kinda need it to fit into the space that I've got... I COULD always grab something though, but then the'd be sus about the extra closet that I don't seem to use very often.. xD I'm thinking...

Except from the price! 600w is $120 more! Does anyone have a cheaper one?

I'm curious, how big does weed get under a 600w? How far would the bulb be from the plant? I thinking maybe a vertical grow? Space is very hard to come by and I need it stealthy.. Nice plants btw :)

Okay, I'm thinking about grabbing either a 400watt hps/mh or a 600watt hps/mh 400w http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2a0ec806a0&item=180636616352&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=uxSCT2V744EPqScfmq2fhDHtXB8%253D 600w...