ok...i have my plants in my dresser...i have 1 CFL 17watt grow lite and 3 24" 17 watt flours all lights are about 2" off the tops of the plants. the plants are about 8 days old...skinny stalks but the 1st 2 fan leaves are around an inch long and 1cm wide...the 2nd pair of fan leaves are 1/2...