1st Grow Ever!!! 150w HPS White Widow(aerogarden)/Mazar-I-Sharrif/Bagseed

Solcyn26

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Hello evry1 this is my first attempt at a grow...it's actually my boyfriends grow we smoke for health, religous, and quality of life purposes only. lately in my his neighborhood, drug gangs have become increasingly violent so we refuse to buy from the street anymore...just tryin to grow enough to maintain.any help anyone on here can offer would be so cool and really appreciated.

GROW ROOM
(old bathroom)

VEG CHAMBER
(cabinet under sink)
4'Lx2'dx3'h
12 26w cfl's (6 daylight 6 red)
9" exaust fan

FLOWER CHAMBER
(bathtub/shower)
5'Lx3"dx6'h
150w hps + 2 42w cfl red
9" exaust fan
9" intake fan
scrog net

so now that u guys know what we're working with maybe it will be a little easier to give us advise. he's currently growing:

WHITE WIDOW
6 weeks VEG
Aerogarden

MAZAR-I-SHARRIF
6 weeks VEG
soil

JAMAICAN BAGSEED
8 weeks VEG
soil

so the plan is to scrog the bagseed and the mazar just seems to be the best way to increase my yield any body else agree or is there something else he should try. not sure when to start flowering bagseed has been tied down and topped and is starting to push up on scrog net...i want to flower the mazar at the same time but not sure if 6 weeks is enough veg from seed. he pulled four clones off the widow and supercropped remaining branches and topped her..for the second harvest should we flower the widow clones or the mother and allow a clone to become a future mother,,,a lil confused about the whole thing...

so now the fun part pictures i'll post pics and then post a glossary for the pics on the followin post..
thanks alot for all the help and feel free to post on our journal.i gotta figure out how to post these pics but im kinda stoned so bear with me guys.

peace and love

pic 1- veg chamber under sink(temps at 85f during day)
pic 2- left side veg all Jamaican bagseed(all topped off)
pic 3- White Widow (aerogarden 200 pro) clones cut off
pic 4- cloning chamber 4 WW clones 2 Mazar
pic 5- my lil clone army 4 tall WW rest mazars
pic 6- bagseed left mazar right
pic 7- think its time to flower yet?

currently veg'n Mazar under the 150w hps and a nice bagseed both under scrog

please subscribe i need all the help i can get...lol
 

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kushy123

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ya u can flower now or you can let it get bigger for more yield. good stuff looks nice would like to see how much u yield keep us posted
 

weed staller

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hey nice grow just wondering how many extra lights you have around the aerogarden...

i had problems finding the cfl socket and y splitters but i live in aus... i ended up with cfl downlight i have 4 around the ag

hope my plants grow as green as yours
hey can you say how a comparision to growing in soil under lights compared to the ag like time differnce

cheers in adanvce
 

Solcyn26

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good to hear thanks...i'll probably start to flower tonite after goin on transition nutes today...
thanks for the big up i thought my girls were lookin nice too but parents always think their kids are beautiful..lol

ive got 4 26w cfls 2 in front 2 in back...2 bloom+2veg...
i got the splitters and clamps online(ebay/amazon) really cheap not sure if that helps u out any in aus but it should..
as far as soil vs aerogarden...mind u i'm a noob and i dont have the same strain in soil as i do in aerogarden but i swear to you the growth is at least 1.5x faster,greener,and
more bushy than soil...bear in mind from what i've read bud quality is much improved in soil but i guess we'll find out in 2 months..wooohooo

now as far as my girls go the mazar is showing some burning i think cant tell if its nutes or the hps will post pics tonite...

onca again thanks for the intrest..stay tuned i will be postin pics daily or every other..cya guys tonite
 

DaYooper

Active Member
Does anyone knoe about brown/yellow spots?
Could it be burned from the light?
I am not sure about those spots, but if you look through my journal you will see that I had some heat stress problems early on.

Like you setup! Nice job.:joint:
 

FoxCompany426

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I had some brown and yellow spots earlier on in my grow, still not sure what they were, but they ended up subsiding. Got pics on my thread if you wanna compare.

Grows lookin' great, definitely sittin' in for this one!

Happy Growing!
 

Solcyn26

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thanks for stoppin by SICC good to have u on board homie...

i'll be postin pics tonite with update...day 3 of flower and all is not well...

when i get to the grow room i'll take pics a couple of suspect lookin leaves..:(

i'll be on like 9pm east cya guys there thanks again
 

FoxCompany426

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thanks for stoppin by SICC good to have u on board homie...

i'll be postin pics tonite with update...day 3 of flower and all is not well...

when i get to the grow room i'll take pics a couple of suspect lookin leaves..:(

i'll be on like 9pm east cya guys there thanks again
Yay! Pics! I love pics!
 

Solcyn26

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:hump:UPDATE 4/26/09-WEEK 1 Flower:hump:

ok guys here we go...went 12/12 yesterday
GH nova line nute-transition phase
ive already got about 9 tops commin thru the scrog..ive also got some damaged leaves i posted pics of it...but aside from that every things lookin good to me what do you guys think?

PICS:
1. JAMAICAN BAGSEED TOP VIEW
2. JAMAICAN BAGSEED UNDER SCROG
3. MAZAR-I-SHARIFF TOP VIEW
4. MAZAR UNDER SCROG
5. DAMAGED MAZAR LEAF
6. ANOTHER PIC OF DAMAGE
7. PANDA PAPER CURTAIN w/ ghetto ass exaust..lol

so let me know what u guys think i hope im not f#@$ing up too bad..lol
P.s. how long do i feed them transition strength nute feeding schedual is kinda vague...bet that up

time to smoke cya l8r
 

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Solcyn26

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yo PURP bet that up i appreciate the love....that SCROG is a good look isnt..lol...
i gotta question tho guys i think i could flower a couple more plants i got the space but my 150w hps says its good for 2foot by 2foot and thats about the size of the scrog net so i think ima just have to wait,,,damnit

gone to blaze up b back
 

purpdaddy

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yo PURP bet that up i appreciate the love....that SCROG is a good look isnt..lol...
i gotta question tho guys i think i could flower a couple more plants i got the space but my 150w hps says its good for 2foot by 2foot and thats about the size of the scrog net so i think ima just have to wait,,,damnit

gone to blaze up b back
those yellowing spots could be from over nute(SLIGHT,not much)Looks damn good though!
 

purpdaddy

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How much light is needed for growing?
The answer depends on if you are growing small plants, in a small space, or large plants, and have a larger space to grow in. I'll try to answer this "in general" instead of being specific to one size plant.
Light seen and perceived with the human eye is measured in Lumens. There is an ideal amount of lumens for growing and a minimum amount of lumens. The very minimum amount of light required for smaller sized plants grown in the SH System is around 3000 lumens per square foot. Let me put emphasis on "minimum amount" of light. However, that's not 100% exactly accurate, since although you may have a 10,000 lumen light, the amount of light that reaches the plant varies with the distance between the light and plants, and the reflectivity of the grow area. The ideal amount is somewhere around 7000-10,000 lumens per square foot for average sized plants. As long as the plants do not show burn, as much light can be used as you want to use. (Note, the sun produces about 10,000 lumens per square foot, on a sunny mid summer day).

Determining lumens for your grow area:
First determine the square footage of your area (example in a 4 foot by 4 foot area, there is 16 square feet) If you have a 1000 Watt High Pressure Sodium Light Bulb, that produces approximately 107,000 lumens. Divide this by 16 (your square footage) 107,000 divided by 16 = 6687 lumens per square foot. So just divide the total amount of Lumens, by the total amount of square feet, and that's your lumens per square foot.

How far away from my plants do the lights go?
The lights in your grow room should be as close as possible to the plants without burning them. There is no such thing as too much light, unless there is overly sufficient heat to dry out and burn the leaves. A good rule is to put your hand under the light, if its too hot for your hand, chances are that the plants will be too hot too, so move the light up until your hand feels more comfortable. For seedlings or sprouts, I keep them a little further away from the light, because they are very susceptible to burning and drying out, at these young stages.

How do I decide which lights to use?
Efficiency is very important when choosing a type of light. The wattage is not the most important thing, different types of light produce different amounts of lumens per watt. For example, a 300 watt incandescent will produce about 5100 lumens. (not that you can grow with incandescent bulbs) While a 300 watt Metal Halide (just an example, they do not come in 300 watts), will produce 27,000 lumens. Obviously far more efficient for growing, while still using the same amount of electricity.

Approximate light production:
Incandescents: 17 lumens/watt
Mercury vapor: 45-50 lumens/watt
Fluorescents: 60-70 lumens/watt
Metal halide: 90 lumens/watt
High pressure sodium: 107 lumens/watt


Incandescent lights: Incandescent bulbs are the most popular type of lights in the world. They may come advertised as incandescent, tungsten, quartz, halogen, or simply standard. The important thing about incandescent bulbs when it come to growing is simply this: they suck. Using incandescent bulbs to grow plants is like trying to flag down the Space Challenger with a burnt out match! You can do it, but it won't work. There are some incandescents which are sold as "grow lights." They usually have a blue coating and usually come in 60W and 120W sizes. While they may seem like a good choice to new growers, they are next to useless; they produce some light at a usable spectrum, but only have about a 5% efficiency and generate more heat than usable light. Most of us have these in our homes right now. Don't use them for growing, instead opt for a Compact Fluorescent as a cheaper but more efficient alternative.

Fluorescent lights: Fluorescents are far more useful than incandescents. They are efficient enough, and much less expensive than HID (High Intensity Discharge) lights. Compact fluorescent tubes, (commonly called CFLs) are popular with growers because of their good output to size ratio. Compared to standard 4 foot tubes, CFLs are smaller, more easily moved, and more can fit into a smaller given area. CFLs are good for small grows on a tight budget, and for novice growers, since they do not require any special sort of wiring or understanding of the necessary bulbs for a given fixture, and the small wattage ones (23, 42 and 65) are very widely available. Fluorescent lights come in many different Kelvin (spectrum or color) ratings; often the spectrums are labeled on packaging as being 'cool white' or 'warm white.' Cool white is more blue, and is good for the vegetative stages of growth. The bulbs are ultra white. Warm white light is more reddish in spectrum, and is best for the flowering stage. The bulbs are almost cream colored.

Color rating - Measured in Kelvin (K). The higher the number, the more bluish the light. 4000K-7000K is mostly on the blue side of the spectrum for Vegging or GROWING, while 3000K and under goes from a white spectrum, to a redder spectrum and is best for BLOOMING or FLOWERING.


High Intensity Discharge (HID) Lighting Systems:

Mercury Vapor (MV)
Mercury vapor lights are not the most efficient light for growing. They are very bright, and relatively cheap. They do emit light at the wavelengths necessary to support your plants growth, but not nearly as good as a MH or HPS light. Much of the light emitted by MV lights is bluish-white. Street lighting is what most MV lighting is used for.

Metal Halide (MH)
Metal halide lighting systems are optimal for use in the vegetative phase of growing. They emit mostly blue light, which encourages vigorous growth of foliage. They are very efficient, but can get rather expensive to start with; fluorescents may seem more appealing because of their lower price, and they are not much different when compared on a lumen-to-lumen cost level. These lights can be used through-out the grow, but leave a lot to be desired in the BLOOM stage.

High Pressure Sodium (HPS)
High pressure sodium lights emit mostly orange, yellow, and red spectrum light, which is perfect for the flowering stage of the plants growth. They are (in my opinion) the most efficient type of light available for any application if you are not on a budget and can vent the grow area for heat. HPS lights can be used through-out the entire grow. They produce more dense and usually larger flowers or fruit than any other light. HPS lights are generally a little more expensive than MH systems of similar wattage. They are more commonly used by experienced commercial growers because of their ability to produce tighter denser flowers, higher lumen-output-per-watt, and will produce from start to finish.

Just like everything else, available grow lights are evolving. Remember how the sun produces 10,000 lumens per square foot in the mid-summer. Well, today 3 105 watt CFLs in a good reflector can actually duplicate those lumens with CFLs. If you can not grow under the sun, then bring the sun inside. Yes, you can have 20,000 lumens covering the entire grow space of one of the SH systems now with their new 105 watt per bulb CFLs. Three of these bulbs in the proper reflector actually yields 20,000 lumens.
Comparing prices to lumens, and sticking to CFLS, you can not do any better.
I always want to repeat that HID lights are much much better for growing, but they cost more and produce much more heat. CFLs are good for small grows on a tight budget, and for novice growers, since they do not require any special sort of wiring or understanding of the necessary bulbs for a given fixture, and the small wattage ones (23, 42 and 65) are very widely available, even at Walley World, Lows and Home Depot.
You can run
hps light through both stages of growth (ok).
mh light through both stages of growth (ok).
run a mh light through the veg phase of growth followed by hps light through flowering (very good).
run both mh and hps light through both stages of growth (best).
When given the choice of only one light, most marijuana growers will choose an hps grow light over mh, because hps lights are more efficient (larger harvest).
You can't use a standard high pressure sodium bulb in a metal halide fixture, but you can use a metal halide bulb in a high pressure sodium fixture of the same wattage.
There are special hps bulbs that can be used in a mh fixture and vice-versa. But these conversion bulbs cost about double the price of a standard bulb.
A 250 watt fixture will supply enough light to cover a 2.5 foot by 2.5 foot grow area. (6 plants or less)
A 400 watt fixture will supply enough light to cover a 4 foot by 4 foot grow area. (12 plants or less)
A 600 watt fixture will supply enough light to cover a 5 foot by 5 foot grow area. (18 plants or less)
A 1000 watt fixture will supply enough light to cover a 6.5 foot by 6.5 foot grow area. (30 plants or less)
In order for the heat produced by a light system not to harm the plant, a 250 watt light system should be started 18 to 30 inches above the tops of the plants, a 400 watt light system should be started 3 to 4 feet above the tops of the plants
Whatever your light source, replace bulbs after 6 to 12 months of use. If the light is on 24 hours a day replace it after 6 months. If the light is on 18 hours a day replace it after 9 months. If the light is on 12 hours a day replace it after 12 months.
 

"SICC"

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Lookin good man, those stalks are massive! might be a lil burnt from nutes like purp said, Tho im not too informed with soil, keep it up man, thing look minor to me, your i the clear, jus kep doin what your doin
 

Solcyn26

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thanks for the feedback my dudes...im glad im not screwin shit up too bad....stupid question on nute feeding schedual(GH) aero is recirc. and soil is drain to waste..or am i misunderstanding...if im right i might have fucked up really bad...fed white widow in aero drain to waste...way too concentrated for recirc..i think...pics to come tonite..widow is shrivaling up on me...NOOOOOOO..ok calm...i removed nutes from res..replaced with ph'd water nothing but water..will this even out nute strength in plant...or will this just cause an extreme defeciancy...all i could think of to help....i was gonna go with half strength nute but i figured if plants overfeed any lil extra would just kill her off..

please respond,
terrified first parent
 

Solcyn26

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[QUOTE="SICC";2428184]Lookin good man, those stalks are massive! might be a lil burnt from nutes like purp said, Tho im not too informed with soil, keep it up man, thing look minor to me, your i the clear, jus kep doin what your doin[/QUOTE]

i feel u homie...im a bud man myself but i love a chick with sexy legs...i knew u guys would appreciate the two upskirt shots of my ladies..lol..sexy huh?

im obviously super stoned right now i thought that shit was hillarious!
real talk tho it took alot of supercroppin and S&M(tie down torture) to get those stalks that wild....it was fun and a lil scary i kept thinkin i skrewed up but then they would heal beautiful...beginners luck i guess
 
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