Advanced nutrients organics In DWC.....

I'm wondering if anyone here has used the following AN products In dwc system? Iguana juice, tarantula and piranha. I am currently using these three organic nutes in my dwc and i am getting brown roots... Not root rot, I don't think anyway..... The roots are not smelly just brownish and there is a little bit of foam on top of res. Most of the discoloration is between the top of the res and the bottom of my net pots. I'm hoping the brown roots are just from the organics. Also it seems that not all the tarantula wants to disolve, Lea ing a black sandy deposit in the bottom of res. There is no light leaking into res and the roots under water are alot whiter than the roots in the air..... Any one else have any dwc experiance with these products?

Sorry, haven't used them, but my Flora Nova 1 Part did the same thing - stains them a bit (kind of an amber more than brown)- and there is a slight foaminess and darker area above the water level. I started using SM-90 and now the roots are a consistent color above/below the water level and almost no foam. I also use peroxide daily now. I think the SM-90/peroxide combo really helps clean things up above the water level.

Power Towel said:

Sorry, haven't used them, but my Flora Nova 1 Part did the same thing - stains them a bit (kind of an amber more than brown)- and there is a slight foaminess and darker area above the water level. I started using SM-90 and now the roots are a consistent color above/below the water level and almost no foam. I also use peroxide daily now. I think the SM-90/peroxide combo really helps clean things up above the water level.

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Ya im not sure about the sm-90, but Im pretty sure I can't use peroxide with organic nutes....... From what I can gather, The brown roots are not a big deal. As long as there is no slime or smell.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.....

a little brown and foam is ok just make sure you are chanding your resevoirs every 2 wks

are you using powder or liquid nutes??? im about to get AN sensi bloom A+B and do Flora Nova grow big as a veg. nutrient

MinorThreat said:

are you using powder or liquid nutes??? im about to get AN sensi bloom A+B and do Flora Nova grow big as a veg. nutrient

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The Iguana juice grow is liquid, but the tarantula and piranha only come in powder form...tarantula is a black powder and piranha is light brown. the tarantula is the one that tends to settle to the bottom of the res.doesn't like to dissolve very well.
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Don't worry about discoloration, this is to be expected with organic nutes. Pay close attention to your roots, check them every day. If the roots are hairy and don't smell, and still have color, you're laughing. If they develop a slimey material and start to smell, you're in trouble.

I woudn't use Piranha for the sake of increased yields or root growth. In my experience, Piranha is best served as an attack nutrient if you already have problems. Sensizym is a much better (in my opinion) maintenance product, with piranha as an attack suppliment. Save yourself some coin, and put the Piranha on the shelf for later, and hope you never need it!

I don't have any experience with tarantula, so I can't comment on that product.


If your dead set on using organics with hydro, then you need to start using a tea method for your powder nutes. Don't mix the powder directly into your solution, it will never, ever mix completely (trust me, ive sat there ravaging the water with a wisk for 30 mins, and it still settled). Go into your sock drawer, and find a nylon dress sock. Measure your powdered nutes, and drop them into that sock, then tie it off and toss it into your liquid mix. This will prevent it from clogging up your pump and sitting at the bottom of your res, and make your cleanup much easier.

It's not the end of the world if you mix them directly in, they will still do the job, but cleanup is just a mess, and you can mess up your water pump by driving sandy material through it.

My last word advice that I have, based on my trials and errors, is skip the organics in hydro if you can. The only time i've used organics in hydro, was to save a crop from root rot when I didn't have my temperatures dialed in. Hydrogen peroxide, proper temperatures, and a nice clean solution will always get the job done. Hydro is better served to be clean, and efficient with chemical nutes. Try to use AN's chemical line with hydrogen peroxide (35%). Once dialed in, youll get comparable results with incomparable price differences. Save the organic growing for soil, and as a solution to a problem you created by being a boner with your chemical nutes

Best of luck

Ill never use anything organic in hydro again... Low yields, and a mess.

Clogs air stones too...

Im a GH man for now on

And I certainly wouldnt spend big bucks on AN.. Dont be suckered.

jjburnout said:

The Iguana juice grow is liquid, but the tarantula and piranha only come in powder form...tarantula is a black powder and piranha is light brown. the tarantula is the one that tends to settle to the bottom of the res.doesn't like to dissolve very well.
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i wouldnt worry about brown roots- its obvious that you already know that those organics (iguana juice) were not made for hydro but soil. like i said you already knew that . Next time try nutes that are formulated for "HYDRO"

I use Advanced Sensi A+B grow and bloom in my DWC. I dont have issues with the roots browning. I did however almost lose everything when I added Big Bud powder. All the roots had a well like a snot coating the next day. I had just changed out the res and added a few things at the same time but was able to nail it down to the Big Bud. I had nice 2 foot long roots I had to cut off. i just hacked them off at the bottom of the net pot and put plain water in the res. I hand watered from the top a few times a day for a few days and nice new roots started to grow. I then added the Sensi bloom and some voodoo juice to help the roots. Everything came back great and its actually one of the better plants in the tent now. Heres some pics at 6wks

stillcantroll said:

Don't worry about discoloration, this is to be expected with organic nutes. Pay close attention to your roots, check them every day. If the roots are hairy and don't smell, and still have color, you're laughing. If they develop a slimey material and start to smell, you're in trouble.

I woudn't use Piranha for the sake of increased yields or root growth. In my experience, Piranha is best served as an attack nutrient if you already have problems. Sensizym is a much better (in my opinion) maintenance product, with piranha as an attack suppliment. Save yourself some coin, and put the Piranha on the shelf for later, and hope you never need it!

I don't have any experience with tarantula, so I can't comment on that product.


If your dead set on using organics with hydro, then you need to start using a tea method for your powder nutes. Don't mix the powder directly into your solution, it will never, ever mix completely (trust me, ive sat there ravaging the water with a wisk for 30 mins, and it still settled). Go into your sock drawer, and find a nylon dress sock. Measure your powdered nutes, and drop them into that sock, then tie it off and toss it into your liquid mix. This will prevent it from clogging up your pump and sitting at the bottom of your res, and make your cleanup much easier.

It's not the end of the world if you mix them directly in, they will still do the job, but cleanup is just a mess, and you can mess up your water pump by driving sandy material through it.

My last word advice that I have, based on my trials and errors, is skip the organics in hydro if you can. The only time i've used organics in hydro, was to save a crop from root rot when I didn't have my temperatures dialed in. Hydrogen peroxide, proper temperatures, and a nice clean solution will always get the job done. Hydro is better served to be clean, and efficient with chemical nutes. Try to use AN's chemical line with hydrogen peroxide (35%). Once dialed in, youll get comparable results with incomparable price differences. Save the organic growing for soil, and as a solution to a problem you created by being a boner with your chemical nutes

Best of luck

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Wow - well said. I wasn't quite sure about the organic/hydro question myself, so this is a lot of good info.

I have to admit I've heard that organics are tricky in hydro. I've been avoiding em for a bit because of hearing about these problems.

But hearing about the tea advice might actually get me to the ways of organics.

For now, I'm sticking with the regular Advanced Nutrients lineup and keeping my eye out for ways to get organics in there.

I'm one of those wanna be hippies and I like the idea of clean green, you know. But if I'm going to be messing with gunk, that seems like it might be a pain too.

Eh, maybe it's just not as big of a deal though, thanks stillcantroll. Your advice is just what I needed to hear.

Now, I just have to make the right decision. lOL

hookahma said:

Wow - well said. I wasn't quite sure about the organic/hydro question myself, so this is a lot of good info.

I have to admit I've heard that organics are tricky in hydro. I've been avoiding em for a bit because of hearing about these problems.

But hearing about the tea advice might actually get me to the ways of organics.

For now, I'm sticking with the regular Advanced Nutrients lineup and keeping my eye out for ways to get organics in there.

I'm one of those wanna be hippies and I like the idea of clean green, you know. But if I'm going to be messing with gunk, that seems like it might be a pain too.

Eh, maybe it's just not as big of a deal though, thanks stillcantroll. Your advice is just what I needed to hear.

Now, I just have to make the right decision. lOL

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Learn from my mistakes bro! The appeals to growing organic are environmental and taste/smoke. Neither of which are substantiated by much, I have to say (in my experience). People say organic just tastes better, and I'll probably agree with them, but to me the best taste/smoke is developed by proper flushing, and proper drying/curing... in other words... A GOOD GROWER!!

Theres absolutely NOTHING wrong with growing organic, but do it in soil!!! Organic hydro is a compromise, and it's just not in the cards for most growers (including me, unless under extreme circumstances).

Not to mention the prices... my goodness! You can get an outstanding yield out of some very basic chemical nutes and hydrox, comparable to organic suppliments, but look at the price difference! Google how much a 4 litre of 35% hydrogen peroxide is vs a 1 litre bottle of sensizym, voodoo juice and piranha... it's unbelievable!!!

I can understand the appeals to growing organic soil, and it's soemthing I intend to experiment with later on. But I mean, whats the point of trying to grow akin to mothernature, then using a soil-less medium? Come on...

doctorD said:

I use Advanced Sensi A+B grow and bloom in my DWC. I dont have issues with the roots browning. I did however almost lose everything when I added Big Bud powder. All the roots had a well like a snot coating the next day. I had just changed out the res and added a few things at the same time but was able to nail it down to the Big Bud. I had nice 2 foot long roots I had to cut off. i just hacked them off at the bottom of the net pot and put plain water in the res. I hand watered from the top a few times a day for a few days and nice new roots started to grow. I then added the Sensi bloom and some voodoo juice to help the roots. Everything came back great and its actually one of the better plants in the tent now. Heres some pics at 6wks

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Dude,

I'm having those brown roots and that snot but not in large amounts. But I'm definitely losing the plant. Did you stop the Big Bud Completely and she came back or just minimized?

thanks Dude!


Pure...

hello all

From switzerland i use AN since 3 years outdoor and indoor

I have just started a DWC with MGB AN base with all the line AN "grand master" .

It s just incredible ..... i will post a framelapse video in a while , im on week2 of flowering.

word said ,
concerning AN ,

i have been able to answer some questions while going to the swiss cannatrade last week end .

there is no need at all to change or add any other additive or nutrients with the full line "grand master level" , meaning no need to put some CAL mag add because using Bud candy avoid it.

black roots as said up there is coming from the use of the three roots additives wich are microbians activated by the contact of water , it s making the same job as trachiderma , these stuff are a bunch of good roots bacterias and enough to make the job .

Ph derivating is like phasing variation involving anion and cation exchange thru the lenght of the roots , by memors anions are much more up and cations down , ( i could be wrong could be the other way this meaning a wide global and perpetual transfet beetween hydrogen flow thru oxy bubbles . So meaning testing pH while bubbling is on will show a dancing value ..... there is no need at all to adjust the PH within a 7 days period wich is the duration of the biologic stability of the soup ( if my english is correct enough if it s not ask me i will rewrite or explain in another way.

Concerning EC level for some people wondering
DON T try to avoid the program pof nutrients of AN , they are on Research and development constantly , for myself i did play the AN game
and for now , I won t never change to another regarding all these reasons and facts but aswell for the inocoty of AN versus heavy metal !
i dispose of a document from missisipi university wich is a comparative test of various nutrients regarding HM and pollution .

For the next test i will use overlighting to push up the ability of AN to overfeed the plants ..... new lights with double optical with PMMA can drive up the PPF to 1640 with 640 w consumption and using AN could permit to work without CO2 without burning the plant ! NEW AGE

That s all folks thanks to be there and to share about our passion .