Anybody used Mad Bag for outdoor cubensis shroom grow?

ballaboyee21

ballaboyee21

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Hey guys,

Was lookin' into these Mad Bags. http://themadseason.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=2&chapter=1. Looks like a cool deal to me. I have three syringes of different strains that I forget now. So, my question is, if I inoculate the bag and let it go for a month indoors in a closet, then throw this bag of goodness somewhere outdoors when I think the lighting is about 12/12 will that do the trick? Like up in a tree somewhere? Or is it really better to just do an indoor grow? I just don't know how much light shrooms require in this stage as I've never done this before. Would indirect sunlight in my room work too? or maybe like a few desk lamps? Or does light intensity affect quality like it does marijuana? Thanks for lookin'! Appreciate your time. :peace:
 
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testtime

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Not suggested.
90% of growing shrooms is giving them an environment where other things won't eat/kill them.

If you want to have the best chance of working, fruit in the bag, don't attempt to propagate outdoors with it.
 
ballaboyee21

ballaboyee21

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I'm saying they would stay in the bag, but use the sun's 12/12 sunlight, and if it was sealed like it should be and just the hole from injection, wouldn't it be the same as using a CFL or something for em? I mean light strength-wise? They'd be in the bag, it doesn't rain where I'm going to be at in Cali, so that's not a problem.
 
ballaboyee21

ballaboyee21

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It says the shrooms need a light cycle of 12/12 and I'm simply wondering if the sun is powerful enough to penetrate the substrate and give the mushrooms what they need?
 
weasels911

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ballaboyee21 said:
It says the shrooms need a light cycle of 12/12 and I'm simply wondering if the sun is powerful enough to penetrate the substrate and give the mushrooms what they need?
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I don't know much about growing these outside, but I think light is going to be the least of your worries. I mean, they do grow naturally in the wild after all.
I have fruited them in solid colored rubbermaid bins with the only light they received was from when I would open and fan them.
 
ballaboyee21

ballaboyee21

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weasels911 said:
I don't know much about growing these outside, but I think light is going to be the least of your worries. I mean, they do grow naturally in the wild after all.
I have fruited them in solid colored rubbermaid bins with the only light they received was from when I would open and fan them.
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Thats true, but marijuana needs a strict 12/12 or less to flower, so I thought this might be similar. So are you saying they really don't need light to start fruiting then? Then how does it switch from the inoculation to the fruiting stage in the bag? This bag website is saying it will fruit in the bag with a strict 12/12 light schedule. Sorry, I'm a noob, just reading this off the website, no actual experience.
 
weasels911

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Fruiting takes place when the mycelium is done feeding off of your nutrious substrate and can no longer keep growing. The mushrooms form and drop spores as a survival mechanism for reproduction.
 
ballaboyee21

ballaboyee21

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Ok, so basically I could just inoculate and leave in a dark place the whole time? I might give that a shot if it's really that easy...Got the spores and now the bag source. I was just worried about the lighting for this. If I don't need light 12/12 I'm GOLDEN(haha like golden teacher). No pun intended... :wall: Thanks for your help +rep weasels911!
 
mojoganjaman

mojoganjaman

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'noc up the bag....place it in an area with temps between 70 and 80 and leave it for a week...after a week take a look at it...if it is totally covered in myc, leave it for another 5-7 days then introduce to fruiting conditions...hth
 
ballaboyee21

ballaboyee21

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I understand the inoculation part and waiting until the whole thing turns white, but in PF Tek, they use jars and they are placed inside the rubbermaid to retain humidity and what not, but with this bag, it's saying that you just leave it in the bag the WHOLE time. Through inoculation AND fruiting, then you just open the bag and reap the harvest. But, what I'm not understanding is how it will know to fruit if it is just left in the dark the whole time. The site says to put it into 12/12 and it will fruit, but other people are saying it will auto-fruit? And if I leave it in the bag, what do these "fruiting conditions" look like? Is it necessary to have a light on them?
 
mojoganjaman

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ok...boomers 101...once you inoculate the substrate(your bag) you need to give the spores time to get together and build myc...once the myc is goin', let it totally cover the bag...then wait a week...then you open the bag and place it in fruiting conditions...65-70 temps...mist and fan 3-4 times a day...its the cooler temps and the evaporation of the misted water that triggers the myc to form knots...knots turn to pins...and pins mostly turn into boomers...but you will get aborts...pick these and dry and put in separate container from the boomers...aborts are stronger than boomers...hth


edit: light is only needed to help the boomers know which way to grow...otherwise light or lack of it isn't important to me...your mileage may vary
 
weasels911

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I have had them fruit while still inside the jars and sitting dark in a cabinet.

Ideal fruiting conditions are obviously best for opitimal growth, but as long as everything is going right they should fruit regardless.
 
ballaboyee21

ballaboyee21

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I think I'll give that a try weasels. I'll keep you all posted on the results after I order this bag. Mojoganja, if this doesn't work out, I will let you know you were right. That does sound like the conventional way to do it, but as you can see if you followed the first link to the bag website, it wants you to fruit IN the bag. So, hell I'm going to give it a shot, maybe the moisture from the syringe is enough to start this reaction. Anyways, due to limited space and ease of hiding in a corner of my closet, I'm going with weasels route! Thanks guys!
 
weasels911

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You will get much better pinsets and fruits if you fruit them in the proper conditions like mojo mentioned, just not required to start fruiting. But highly recommended if you want good flushes. Though fruiting in a jar is very convenient when you are short on space.
 
ballaboyee21

ballaboyee21

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Yeah, it seems like they would want to spread out and get big and the bag has so much material that they couldn't, but I'm going to try it and see. I bet I end up with a large amount of smaller mushrooms as opposed to ones that grow out all big and what not. But hopefully it won't affect their potency! Thanks for all the help weasels, really appreciate it! I'll post as soon as I get some results, but that won't be for a month or so. :peace:
 
mojoganjaman

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ballaboyee21 said:
I think I'll give that a try weasels. I'll keep you all posted on the results after I order this bag. Mojoganja, if this doesn't work out, I will let you know you were right. That does sound like the conventional way to do it, but as you can see if you followed the first link to the bag website, it wants you to fruit IN the bag. So, hell I'm going to give it a shot, maybe the moisture from the syringe is enough to start this reaction. Anyways, due to limited space and ease of hiding in a corner of my closet, I'm going with weasels route! Thanks guys!
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its not about right and wrong...its about sharing experiences to further the cause...whatever that is...;)))


edit to add....don't take the bag off....just open it up to fruiting conditions...sorry if you misunderstood my feable post...
 
ballaboyee21

ballaboyee21

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What are the fruiting conditions? If I were to leave it in the bag would I just open now and then and spray inside to moisturize? Did anybody follow the link to the website and read in-bag fruiting? Didn't seem like you had to spray at all or anything...
 
canndo

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mojoganjaman said:
ok...boomers 101...once you inoculate the substrate(your bag) you need to give the spores time to get together and build myc...once the myc is goin', let it totally cover the bag...then wait a week...then you open the bag and place it in fruiting conditions...65-70 temps...mist and fan 3-4 times a day...its the cooler temps and the evaporation of the misted water that triggers the myc to form knots...knots turn to pins...and pins mostly turn into boomers...but you will get aborts...pick these and dry and put in separate container from the boomers...aborts are stronger than boomers...hth


edit: light is only needed to help the boomers know which way to grow...otherwise light or lack of it isn't important to me...your mileage may vary
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Um... Light is an important factor in any pinning strategy. The reason so many people don't believe light is important is that they think their mycelium has never been lit - it has. If you looked at it, then it had some light. Mushrooms need only a tiny bit of light in order to initiate pinning. Many mushrooms do not need temperature variations and those variations are a secondary trigger. There have been experiments done where one side of a mycelial mass was exposed to light and the other was not - the lit side grew fruit, the other side did not.

Consider the situation in nature. The mycelium grows, usually under ground or beneith some sort of moist cover - unless the mycelium is exposed to light, it has no indication of where to extend the fruit (this is not so with agaricus C. which needs no light). If there were no light trigger, the fruit may well grow underground and be of no use to the organism.
 
ballaboyee21

ballaboyee21

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canndo said:
Um... Light is an important factor in any pinning strategy. The reason so many people don't believe light is important is that they think their mycelium has never been lit - it has. If you looked at it, then it had some light. Mushrooms need only a tiny bit of light in order to initiate pinning. Many mushrooms do not need temperature variations and those variations are a secondary trigger. There have been experiments done where one side of a mycelial mass was exposed to light and the other was not - the lit side grew fruit, the other side did not.

Consider the situation in nature. The mycelium grows, usually under ground or beneith some sort of moist cover - unless the mycelium is exposed to light, it has no indication of where to extend the fruit (this is not so with agaricus C. which needs no light). If there were no light trigger, the fruit may well grow underground and be of no use to the organism.
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Thanks for the response and +rep! I think I'll just leave this in a tree somewhere then, the only thing with even that small amount of light that it needs at my house is that if there is light hitting it, my parents can see it, and they do NOT like this stuff. And I'm moving home for the summer. They are cool with my medical use of marijuana, but they are not as accepting of hallucinogenics. So in order for me to let it get light, it's gotta be in a sketchier place. You don't think rain would be an issue because it is sealed right? and moisture wouldn't really affect it? Thanks for the help everyone.
 
canndo

canndo

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If you live in a fairly humid place, you could do any one of a hand full of different things to get your grow to work out doors, Your parameters are relatively high humidity, no direct sunlight, temperatures below about 85. If I were you I would consider it a supreme challenge and give it a go from scratch.
 
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