base nutrients grow

ok what i am wondering is if anyone onhere has ever done or read about doing 2 grows with all the same conditions except one grow you use nutrients with all the additive nutes and the other grow you just use the base nutrients. im just wandering how much of a diference it makes because they all cost alot and if its not that much of a diference id just ad a couple things to them. another question. if i went with sensi bloom A and B and grew with just it with maybe 1 or 2 extra NUTES ADDED IN WHAT ONES WOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO ADD TO IT? AND I WOULD ALSO APRICIATE IT IF SOMONE WHO HAS GROWN WITH ADVANCED COULD GIVE ME AN IDEA ON THERE FEEDING CHART SO I GOT SOMWHERE TO GO FROM

if you feed enough of the bases then this is all you need to feed your plants. the only thing i do suggest you use alomgside the bases are microbes. You don't need anything else and are just wasting your money.

whats a good microbe to use with the base nutes and what is the best base nutes inyour opinion

i'd have togo with what i use. i use GH for the bases.... just Micro and Bloom is all you need. For microbes i go with Organic Microbes, Brimstone and Venom.

you got any grow journals?

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/468693-ultimate-chem-2011-huckleberry-kush.html#post6329003

i just started one there.

Most nutrient companies split the complete nutrient formula into several different products to increase sales. Thus, a base nutrient normally will be incomplete as they expect you to buy boosters and additives.

squarepush3r said:

Most nutrient companies split the complete nutrient formula into several different products to increase sales. Thus, a base nutrient normally will be incomplete as they expect you to buy boosters and additives.

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Most as in which ones? GH and AN bases contain everything you need for a grow. Even one part bases contain all you need....

can you tell me what they are missing out?

thanks for the help

Add advanced nutes "mother earth super tea (bloom)" , throw a molasses in there for sugar and some bloom boosters !

skunkushybrid01 said:

Most as in which ones? GH and AN bases contain everything you need for a grow. Even one part bases contain all you need....

can you tell me what they are missing out?

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specifically proper NPK ratio's. You need to add a bloom booster to them to 'complete' them, this also ignores all supplements which are moreso optional.

squarepush3r said:

specifically proper NPK ratio's. You need to add a bloom booster to them to 'complete' them, this also ignores all supplements which are moreso optional.

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No you don't need a bloom booster. A bloom booster is simply P/K... i get P/K in my bottle of Gh Bloom. why not just double the dose? ratios also do not matter so long as there is enough.

The very idea that a bloom booster completes a nutrient formula is ridiculous, quite frankly.

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No you don't need a bloom booster. A bloom booster is simply P/K... i get P/K in my bottle of Gh Bloom. why not just double the dose? ratios also do not matter so long as there is enough.

The very idea that a bloom booster completes a nutrient formula is ridiculous, quite frankly.

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FloraBloom is 0-5-4 PK balance, its overly heavy in Phosphorous and not ideal for cannabis.

EDIT: Actually, if you use the Flora series, 1.5 parts of Gro to 1 part of Bloom would be a much more ideal booster, similar to Hammerhead from Advanced Nutrients.
As I think I said earlier, with a 3 part formula you can customize, however with a 2 part formula you cannot.

squarepush3r said:

FloraBloom is 0-5-4 PK balance, its overly heavy in Phosphorous and not ideal for cannabis.

EDIT: Actually, if you use the Flora series, 1.5 parts of Gro to 1 part of Bloom would be a much more ideal booster, similar to Hammerhead from Advanced Nutrients.
As I think I said earlier, with a 3 part formula you can customize, however with a 2 part formula you cannot.

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overly heavy in phosphorous is completely wrong. Plants take nutrient ions as and when they need them, so ratios do not matter so long as there are enough ions available. a 2-part formula is all you need. you want to boost more growth, add more nutrients. High amounts of P will always boost growth. You do not need a bloom booster.

if you use a 2-part feed and need a bloom booster you are in essence using a 3 part feed anyway. However using a 3 part feed int he first place will save you the money they extort for the useless bloom boosting products. You might as well use the bloom from a 3 part feed to begin with. you're just kidding yourself if you feel that you're using a 2-part feed but a 3rd bottle is necessary.


the bases are complete food systems, all you need for a successful grow. quite literally.

skunkushybrid01 said:

overly heavy in phosphorous is completely wrong. Plants take nutrient ions as and when they need them, so ratios do not matter so long as there are enough ions available. a 2-part formula is all you need. you want to boost more growth, add more nutrients. High amounts of P will always boost growth. You do not need a bloom booster.

if you use a 2-part feed and need a bloom booster you are in essence using a 3 part feed anyway. However using a 3 part feed int he first place will save you the money they extort for the useless bloom boosting products. You might as well use the bloom from a 3 part feed to begin with. you're just kidding yourself if you feel that you're using a 2-part feed but a 3rd bottle is necessary.


the bases are complete food systems, all you need for a successful grow. quite literally.

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You are ignoring nutrient lockout, over-fertilization and nutrient burn. If this was the case, everyone would just use 20-20-20 fertilizer for every type of plant grown, and there wouldn't be different types of nutrients.

squarepush3r said:

You are ignoring nutrient lockout, over-fertilization and nutrient burn. If this was the case, everyone would just use 20-20-20 fertilizer for every type of plant grown, and there wouldn't be different types of nutrients.

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I'm not ignoring anything... you're simply ignorant on how the nutrient process works.

by the by... everyone could use a 20-20-20 fertiliser. There are different types of nutrients due to compettiion, and money. snake oil, snake oil, snake oil... wake the fuck up.

I am on a budget $4.94 for Miracle Grow follow directions. Only experiment was going to 'red' plants did not seem to like the change. I think that is main thing not a lot of changes each change takes 2-4 weeks to grow out!

yes consistency is very important. plants don't like change, it changes their situation... and situations/environments can even have an effect at a genetic level.

skunkushybrid01 said:

I'm not ignoring anything... you're simply ignorant on how the nutrient process works.

by the by... everyone could use a 20-20-20 fertiliser. There are different types of nutrients due to compettiion, and money. snake oil, snake oil, snake oil... wake the fuck up.

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even the people who criticize Advanced Nutrients for overcharging, won't tell you they have a bad product. Even the people who make custom nutrients, do some on a very specific formula resembling a cannabis strain targeted at a precise nutrient PPM formula. Even soil growers will use special mixtures of various organic materials to get an approximate NPK by using Bone Meal, Guano, Dolomite, etc...

You make the claim that plants only do 'passive intake' of nutrients, which means they take what they need, but its incorrect, plants will also take up nutrients by osmotic processes, meaning if you give them the WRONG AMOUNTS or TOO MUCH you will get problems such as toxicity.

https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-m...98-thread-cannabis-nutrient-deficiencies.html

A plant's roots come into contact with nutrient ions in 3 different ways.... one is osmotic pressure, another is transpiration, where photosynthesis literally pulls the water up through the plant and the final way is when the roots grow and just bump into the ions. Several things need to take place before nutrients are accepted into the plant... for example a plant sends carriers down to pick up the ions, if a plant has enough of one nutrient then the plant will not send the carriers responsible for picking it up. this is of course once the ions have entered the roots. Befroe the ions even enter the roots they will need to also get past the plants suberin. suberin is created specifically to block any unwanted ions from getting in. a certain consistency of suberin will block the passage of N and K whilst allowing the passage of P. also plants can separate water from nutrient ions.

Plants take nutrients like they would from a buffet. This is why ratios do not matter... all that matters is that there are enough available ions. certain things can get into the plant, like heavy metals or in some cases certain poisons, but in respect of nutrients our only concern with heavy feeding is the salinity content of the medium, as it is this that slows the passage of K. when we talk about over fertilisation we are talking about the medium and not the plant. In a high saline medium this slows the passage of K and we see necrotic edges on the leaves. you may call it 'burning'... in fact over fertilisation causes a deficiency int he plant, not a toxicity.