Breeding For Autoflower Seeds

C.Indica said:

If you breed an Autoflower to a Non-Autoflower, the F1 generation will have no autoflowering plants I believe.
But after you select individuals from the F1 generation, and breed them, the autoflowering will start showing up.

When breeding Auto x Auto like you are, the autoflowering (ruderelis) gene should already be dominant, and show up in the F1.

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C.Indica said:

If you breed an Autoflower to a Non-Autoflower, the F1 generation will have no autoflowering plants I believe.
But after you select individuals from the F1 generation, and breed them, the autoflowering will start showing up.

When breeding Auto x Auto like you are, the autoflowering (ruderelis) gene should already be dominant, and show up in the F1.

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bicycleday said:

Thanks for the posts just what I was searching for! +rep

So just to clarify, when you do the AF cross Non AF, you get the F1 gen with no AF's. So then you select the F1's and breed them together? OR do you use the F1 to breed it with the original AF?

Sorry if this is a stupid question...

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woodsmantoker said:

Easy Ryder male was crossed with a Chocolope female. The Chocolope is not a ruderalis however, ALL of the new hybrids are Auto...Can anyone explain this?

Autolope is FANTASTIC btw, with a tottal D-line look, smell, and punch!

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Bad Karma said:

Yes, you can breed a male and female of your Speedy Ganja together to create seeds.
Since they are the same strain what you would be doing is "inbreeding" a brother and sister together.
For human reproduction that's not too good, but for cannabis it's great.
The seeds that you produce will be known as an IBL or Inbreed Line.
Depending on what plants you choose to breed together, your resulting seeds could be more stable then their parents.

I'm doing the same thing with some Diesel Ryders, inbreeding them to create seeds.
So far I've collected over 70 seeds from 2 plants, and both still have plenty more to give.
I selected the strongest growing, fastest flowering, fruitiest smelling, and most resinous Diesel Ryders to breed together.
If my seeds do well and produce strong new Diesel Ryders, I will repeat this inbreeding process over the next year.
In that amount of time I believe I can isolate and make dominant that fruity smell I mentioned earlier.
My goal is to produce a Diesel Ryder IBL of seeds that retains all the potency of this strain while replacing the diesel fuel smell with a fruity one.
Good luck.

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• What's the chance IBL seeds from two auto's of the same strain will not be auto?
• Should I back cross to the original seed stock? Will it help. I mean grow seed gen 1, then cross gen 1 with stock 0, to get a gen 2 and then cross gen 2 back to stock 0 again to make gen 3? Good? Bad?
• How long can I keep it going? Can I keep harvesting my own seed indefinitely, or will the wheels fall off after gen 10 or what ever?

The question: Is it feasible to intentionally seed auto-flowering strains to use as my consecutive planting stock?

Follow-up question: Are there any particular brands/strains that may be more stable/suitable to do this with?

Basically I want to purchase seeds once and then practically never ever again. It's bad enough having to bring attention to myself once, let alone over and over again. Don't even say 'stock up', because that will make it worse, making me look like I want to start the biggest farm in the country or something if it does get intercepted.

I have no room for indoor and outdoor will be interfered with by porch and other lights. That's why I'm going with Auto. It has to be something that will flower no matter what lights are on or off at random times. As already mentioned though, I don't want to keep buying seeds. As far as I know, it's not feasible to take cuttings from an Auto. So my current idea in mind is to buy maybe 30 seeds to stock up, then intentionally let some plants go to seed along the way. I'll keep the males and females somewhat separated, so maybe can then intentionally fertilse only some of the females and keep the strains breeding separately.

However my concern is if this second generation of seed (the seed I buy being the first, of course) reverts back to it's grandparent lineage. For some strains, this could possibly mean ending up with a bunch of seed which is only sparingly Auto? Or maybe it could end up being Auto, but being too heavily Ruderalis and as such being just hemp?

One idea I had in mind to help keep things on track, is to back cross a few times back to the original seed stocks. Like breed the 2nd gen, then take a good female from that gen and cross it back to gen 1 (the seed I'm buying). Then take that 3rd gen and again breed it back to gen 1. Maybe by that stage it will be several generations deep in auto-flowering, but will also have the other traits (such as it's potency, etc) injected back in along the way, so hence forth can be used to make a gen 4 (when needed) our of gen 3 + gen 3 (as I will be out of bought stock by then).

So does anyone have any insight for me with this situation? General impressions of this will work out and etc. Also maybe some people know some strains which are already a few generations of Auto deep or otherwise solid on the trait. For example I saw one Skunk auto which said only 50% of the seeds are auto! That's the opposite of what I want, and is actually a good example of how I don't want the randomness and uncertainty of breeding to make it all go wrong.

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dl290485 said:

I'm going to resurrect this thread.

I posted a question in the Autoflowering forum but no answers there and now found this section and thread.

I'll quote it below but since some of the question is already answered, I'll make some other follow up questions instead:

• What's the chance IBL seeds from two auto's of the same strain will not be auto?
• Should I back cross to the original seed stock? Will it help. I mean grow seed gen 1, then cross gen 1 with stock 0, to get a gen 2 and then cross gen 2 back to stock 0 again to make gen 3? Good? Bad?
• How long can I keep it going? Can I keep harvesting my own seed indefinitely, or will the wheels fall off after gen 10 or what ever?

If you feel like reading and being real helpful, check out the quote from my original questions below for more perspective about my concerns and why I want to do it in the first place.

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