Can someone tell me whats causing this?

botanist95

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Well this is been going on for a little while but starting to spread up my plant. They are in their first week of flower and i just feed her yesterday , botanicare sweet, botanicare cal-mag plus, AN big bud, GH rapid start, i ph'd at 6.6 and had a run off at 5.5(WTF ?) any way im stumped only thing i can think is K deficiency?

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600 watt cooltube
soil FFOF
1st week of flower
Gave nutes 3 1/2 weeks in veg Dyna grow and burned layed off until yesterday which gave 1st dose of any nutes.
temps 80
rh 60
 

ProfessorPotSnob

New Member
Your seeing the results from a lockout on the low end of the pH scale , notice as well the freckling from the calcium def along with the general tie dye appearance which also indicates a severe magnesium lockout .

Giving more details will help others amend this issue at hand ! As well I will note that reading up more on nutrient deficiency will give you a better understanding of each and how and where they effect a plant in general for future diagnosis !
 

DANKSWAG

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I would first try to neutralize your PH so your run off presuming this is a soil type grow. Use a higher PH water 7.0 and flush and water a couple cycles your run off in soil should be closer to 6.8 then 5.5. Get your PH right before adding nutrients. If your soil was premixed and properly cooked before hand you shouldn't have to add any nutrients for the most part. Presuming that was done I would PH and PPM your H20 to see what your starting with when watering. You want a low PPM and a high PH closer to 7.
The natural effects of microbiology bacteria etc. and some nutrients being added will take your ph down.

Treat this as PH imbalance nutrient lock out before deciding to add any nutrients, give is plain 7. PH and monitor for a week to see if these leaf symptoms reside.:blsmoke:
Please + rep once you apply treatment recommend and get healthy results. Please
 

DANKSWAG

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I would first try to neutralize your PH so your run off presuming this is a soil type grow. Use a higher PH water 7.0 and flush and water a couple cycles your run off in soil should be closer to 6.8 then 5.5. Get your PH right before adding nutrients. If your soil was premixed and properly cooked before hand you shouldn't have to add any nutrients for the most part. Presuming that was done I would PH and PPM it to see what your starting with when watering. You want a low PPM and a high PH closer to 7.
The natural effects of microbiology bacteria etc. and some nutrients being added will take your ph down.

Treat this as PH imbalance nutrient lock out before deciding to add any nutrients, give is plain 7. PH and monitor for a week to see if these leaf symptoms reside.:blsmoke:
Please + rep once you apply treatment recommend and get healthy results. Please
Oh yeah, if you are using soil trash that bontanicare Cal Mag, it is for hydro. Use General Organics CaMg+
 

botanist95

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Never had to use calmag before so didnt know what to buy so my bad:wall: just wasted $17 on some shit cant use i guess!!!
 

DANKSWAG

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Never had to use calmag before so didnt know what to buy so my bad:wall: just wasted $17 on some shit cant use i guess!!!
I've seen a lot of this, you're not the first to be sold something that is not designed for soil growing. It happens shit the other day I had a grow shop sales person try to tell me I needed that too.

Bottom line it is nitrate based, will leave build up of salts contributing-causing PH lockout. The General Organics CaMg+ is carbonate based so it will not cause the issues you are seeing. I use half the recommend usage per gallon for I have a slow release Ca and Mg nutrient sources in my soil so there is always some there.
 

botanist95

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And i'd agree with you on this matter if i didnt just get this shit in the mail yesterday and use it for the very first time YESTERDAY and the issue thats been going started weeks ago , so i appreciate all the responses but dont think botanicare is to blame.
 

DANKSWAG

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I hope I did not imply nitrate introduction as the root cause pardon the pun.

Its clear the root cause is PH needs to be raised you have lock out. What's behind the PH drop in your soil in unclear. Adding nitrates just doubled down on the problem.

Thus flushing your medium to get a PH nearer to 7 is where you begin. Second replace Bontanicare with General Organics you will avoid introducing harmful nitrates into your soil web.

Organic growers I know worth the fungi and bacteria microbesties knows this is harmful and they do not use it.

For CaMg+ is biologically catalyzed from oyster shell, dolomite lime, and natural plant extracts. Through the use of organic compounds, CaMg+ increases calcium and magnesium transport into the plants. This optimizes plant metabolism, enhancing growth and creating healthier flowers and fruits
 

botanist95

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im feeding 1/8 tsp rapid start, 5.7 ml of big bud, 5ml of sweet and cal mag, all per gal and im growing in 5 gal buckets heres pics of my 2 SD the whole plants.


plant 1
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plant 2
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Ninjabowler

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Well by the looks of things your only feeding P and K to your plants and your doing it at full strength. It looks like your N is in check just by looking at how green they are. And with the Five gallon buckets your in the ffof should have enough N to get you there so id say your not to far off by going straight P and K but you may be over doing it. I would agree that a flush is in order. Especially if your not running enough water through the soil to have good run off every time you feed and water. Idk if thats the case but im just sayin if it is then its def time for a flush. Id look into over feeding P and K and see if your having symptoms, my ipads goin slow right now or id check. Ffof has alot of nutrients in it already and alot of people over feed when using it and say its too hot. No, people just dont respect it. Using promix or coco are alot different than organic nutrient rich soil so theres alot of changes to be made with feed scheduling. I use ffof and never feed over 700 ppm max. Usually its 550-600 with synthetic nutes because its so eeasy to over do it. I also feed like this FwwwFwwwF not like this FwFwFw and definatly not like this FFFwFFFw. Good luck man, the plants look geat btw remember that rapid starts usefullness is getting close to being done anyway right, keep up the good work :):):)
 

DANKSWAG

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adding synthentics to an organic base soil web kill of the benefits of the organic web which must be maintained by natural organic compounds.
Other wise you may as well stay in a soil less base medium designed to be PH neutral for proper environment to keep and adjust solution to a 5.8 PH and whatever PPMs your trying to maintain. Using organic based mediums naturally will affect the PH and PPP of the hyrdo nutrient solution going into it throwing it off.

I would either use those synthetic nutrients in a neutral based medium or maintain this organic soil mix like ffof has intended it for and even says so on the bag as well.
So flush your ffof and reinoculate with micros and organic nutrients Earth worm castings, fish bone meal, blood meal kelp meal guanos etc...

The following from manufacture http://foxfarmfertilizer.com/item/ocean-forest-potting-soil.html

Ocean Forest® Potting Soil

Good Things From the Earth and Sea!

The ultimate potting soil—everything your plants need, in one bag. Ocean Forest® is a powerhouse blend of premium earthworm castings, bat guano, and sea-going fish and crab meal.
Composted forest humus, sandy loam, and sphagnum peat moss give Ocean Forest® its light, aerated texture. Start with Ocean Forest® and watch your plants come alive!

Garden tip:
Perfect for containers and ready to use right out of the bag. Ocean Forest® is pH adjusted at 6.3 to 6.8 to allow for optimum fertilizer uptake. There’s no need for nitrogen fertilizers at first; instead try an organic blend like FoxFarm Big Bloom® Liquid Plant Food to encourage strong branching and a sturdy, healthy growth habit.
 

Ninjabowler

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image.jpgI dont think im having bad results, what do you think? Thanks for the advice. Ive heard it before but im hitting over a g/watt and im not concerned right now so lets try and help this dude eh?
 

DANKSWAG

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View attachment 2734634I don't think im having bad results, what do you think? Thanks for the advice. Ive heard it before but im hitting over a g/watt and im not concerned right now so lets try and help this dude eh?
Don't think so much of yourself my ffof post was not for you. Still doesn't change the biological fact that adding synthetic nutrients to an organic soil mix is problematic for organic soil is not a neutral medium for synthetic nutes. If you are using soil this way and successful good for you. Does not negate the fact using organic soil with chemical nutrients renders the organic medium useless. So all you have succeeded at it taken an expensive organic soil verses a neutral medium and neutralized it. You've managed to properly chemically feed your plants after neutralizing your organic soil. The person should start with a neutral medium so he can work on getting the proper PH and PPM in a medium designed for that, not organic soil.

Besides the day is coming and now is that the more users get educated the less they go for chemical fertilized product and more for organic. Don't believe me take a look around organic grown food is overtaking non organic.

Another point the more organic cannabis that hits the market the more demand will grow for it, with it superior taste and healthier aspect of not being grown or treated with chemicals will be the preferred product in the market and just like it's counter part in organic food, organic cannabis will raise the standard and bring in more $ pound for pound. IMHO
 

botanist95

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im going to try and flush today and get my soil ph back where it needs to be this is a headache and a half and been growing for yrs now never had this bad of probs before , i've had problems before just not to this severity. so i thank all of you for your help even if i dont agree with everyone's methods but it helps to know people actually care to take time to help others. Besides the spammers that are out there to destroy our medicine to gain nothing but a chuckle !!!
 

Ninjabowler

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Don't think so much of yourself my ffof post was not for you. Still doesn't change the biological fact that adding synthetic nutrients to an organic soil mix is problematic for organic soil is not a neutral medium for synthetic nutes. If you are using soil this way and successful good for you. Does not negate the fact using organic soil with chemical nutrients renders the organic medium useless. So all you have succeeded at it taken an expensive organic soil verses a neutral medium and neutralized it. You've managed to properly chemically feed your plants after neutralizing your organic soil. The person should start with a neutral medium so he can work on getting the proper PH and PPM in a medium designed for that, not organic soil.

Besides the day is coming and now is that the more users get educated the less they go for chemical fertilized product and more for organic. Don't believe me take a look around organic grown food is overtaking non organic.

Another point the more organic cannabis that hits the market the more demand will grow for it, with it superior taste and healthier aspect of not being grown or treated with chemicals will be the preferred product in the market and just like it's counter part in organic food, organic cannabis will raise the standard and bring in more $ pound for pound. IMHO
Pfffff, ya, im sure its not ment for me lol. I mention ffof with chemical fertz and you jump on that like a fat chick on drunk dick? And really, i dont think that my organic medium has been rendered useless by any means considering the pics i can keep on showin ya if you want. I prefer to use synthetic because its like a trained ninja when it attacks, when i want nutes i get them where i want them fast. Organic nutes remind me of a hippy. Whole bunch of wandering around in search of the their goal in life. Ive seen both used and i like one and you like the other. Its called a difference in opinion. Do you think that farmers use strictly organic nutrients on their crops? Well no they dont, and their crops dont fail nor does the soil become useless. Then come the end of the season its time to turn in some more organic matter and start using synthetic fertilizer once again. Theres a reason that orgainc farming demands more money, its a pain in the ass and your return on investment is smaller ;)
So if you can get off yur soap box preachy mcpreacherson maybe we can figure out whats wrong with this guys plants. We both agree that a flush is a good idea right? Are we agreeing that theres a good chance theres some nutrient lockout going on due to salt build up in the medium? Or do we think that theres some burn going on? I pulled this quickly with a quick search of the interwebs for potassium toxisity - sound close? ;)
Nitrogen Deficiency


The primary risk of too much potassium is a nitrogen deficiency. This will stunt the growth of the plant and lead to chlorosis, a yellowing of the foliage that first appears on older growth lower on the stem. The veins on the leaves will have a red tint. Newer leaves will be smaller in size. These effects can be countered by adding compost or applying a primarily nitrogen-based fertilizer while discontinuing application of potassium-rich fertilizers.

how about this?

When you have too much Potassium in your soil, it can lead to big troubles, like salt damage and acid fixation of the root system, as well as too much potassium can cause a calcium deficiency. Your fan leaves will show like a light to a dark yellow to whitish color in between the veins. Due to a molecular imbalance, potassium toxicity can cause a reduced uptake and lead to the deficiencies of Mg, and in some cases, Ca. Also leads to the other nutrients to not be absorbed properly leading to lots of other deficiency such as: magnesium, manganese, zinc and iron and can cause problems with calcium as well.

thats just a little over K info, IDK man, sound close? Personally, id do a quick flush and drop the ppms a little bit with maybe a more rounded out NPK value fertilizer if you have one and see how it goes. If you say that youve had constant problems theres probably somthing that your doing that needs some tweeking. Good luck man, it doesnt look that bad yet so hopefully you can work the bugs out before it gets bad :):):)
 

DANKSWAG

Well-Known Member
im going to try and flush today and get my soil ph back where it needs to be this is a headache and a half and been growing for yrs now never had this bad of probs before , i've had problems before just not to this severity. so i thank all of you for your help even if i dont agree with everyone's methods but it helps to know people actually care to take time to help others. Besides the spammers that are out there to destroy our medicine to gain nothing but a chuckle !!!
Just to give you an idea what could be easy and simple to obtain without half the effort and cost...
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journal-discussion/669922-flowering-soon-phogs-2.html#post9332874
 
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