Cannabis oil recipe questions

Do you believe cannabis oil can kill cancer cells and stop them from spreading through the body?


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Can you guys give me a recipe for a cannabis oil that can be rated as a top shelf product which is ready to use in a trial for people with various forms of cancer? I need a recipe to make enough cannabis oil for 100 people over a 6 month duration. Do you think a trial should be 3 months long or is that not long enough? I say a human trial should last for six months.

How and where do I store cannabis oil once it has been made?

Is cannabis oil made only with the dried buds?

How much should each person be advised to start on per day?

I'm trying to get the basics down so I can do a human trial in BC.

Thank you for your comments. :-)
 

gb123

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100 people for 6 months?
You'd need 10000 grams of oil.
Have fun with that.


GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND!!!! ;)
 
Yes I do. I am qualified as a registered nurse. I am also a cancer survivor. Thanks so much for your negative energy. Instead of helping you try to put me down. Both of you.

Now how about some people who are experienced with cannabis oil and are interested in helping me figure this out? Remember that this is the medicinal area at rollitup.org for Canadians. As of last month people in BC can make cannabis derivatives such as oil and the doctors are screaming for more research to be conducted.

I am here initially to try to learn from those that know how to make good cannabis oil that's going to be at a medicinal grade. I also need to figure out how much cannabis oil we'll need for 100 people at a daily dosage for 6 months duration. Do not worry about cost at this stage.

Sure I can search google but maybe I want to try and talk to people who might be going through the cancer process here or somebody who has another medicinal need for it. Maybe someone within that community has a great way to make it. That's why I made this thread. To see if I could hear from people who knew something about cannabis oil that I didn't already know.

Fundraising for such a study comes a bit later down the path through health crowdfunding. I'm not there yet. This is where I start.
 
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itsmehigh

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This is such a loaded post cannabis researcher. There's so much more to it than simply a recipe. If I may, my esteemed colleges above are simply saying "you need to walk before you can run." . What you are proposing will be a huge under taking, from your first post it's obvious that you need to educate yourself a little more before such a project. Firstly where are you getting the cannabis from? Black/grey market? Do you realize how much cannabis will take to make 100 60g doses? There are a multitude of methods out there, you would best be served if you research the methods and ask opinions on them specifically. A very noble cause but the logistics of such a task is huge. Kudos to you. To answer your questions. Cannabis oil is best stored in a dark cool place, ie fridge. Yes, the flowers/buds will produce the highest quality with the highest returns, you can also use trim/shake. It's advised that one should take a dose the size of a grain of rice, to start with.

Cheers Itsme.
 

GrowRock

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I'm know expert but I would use a high concentrate alcohol like everclear and I have talked to a couple of cancer patients and they are taking between 1 and 3 grams of oil a day. Remember to start them of on a small does 4 times a day and increase from There. Phenix tear or rick Simpsons videos online should help best of luck.


Peace
 

gb123

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Yes I do. I am qualified as a registered nurse. I am also a cancer survivor. Thanks so much for your negative energy. Instead of helping you try to put me down. Both of you.

Now how about some people who are experienced with cannabis oil and are interested in helping me figure this out? Remember that this is the medicinal area at rollitup.org for Canadians. As of last month people in BC can make cannabis derivatives such as oil and the doctors are screaming for more research to be conducted.

I am here initially to try to learn from those that know how to make good cannabis oil that's going to be at a medicinal grade. I also need to figure out how much cannabis oil we'll need for 100 people at a daily dosage for 6 months duration. Do not worry about cost at this stage.

Sure I can search google but maybe I want to try and talk to people who might be going through the cancer process here or somebody who has another medicinal need for it. Maybe someone within that community has a great way to make it. That's why I made this thread. To see if I could hear from people who knew something about cannabis oil that I didn't already know.

Fundraising for such a study comes a bit later down the path through health crowdfunding. I'm not there yet. This is where I start.
Not putting you down at all. Rather pointing out that what you are trying to accomplish is unrealistic and it's already being done.
By people who understand a wee bit more how it all works.

As for cancer. Been there done that. Cannabis oil was my key!

The amounts of oil I told you, IS what you would need to feed 100 people for 6 months.
So take your lack of knowledge comments and stuff them where the sun doesn't shine very often.
Not being realistic with your ideas is exactly what I'm yapping about.

cheers.
 

leaffan

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Yes I do. I am qualified as a registered nurse. I am also a cancer survivor. Thanks so much for your negative energy. Instead of helping you try to put me down. Both of you.

Now how about some people who are experienced with cannabis oil and are interested in helping me figure this out? Remember that this is the medicinal area at rollitup.org for Canadians. As of last month people in BC can make cannabis derivatives such as oil and the doctors are screaming for more research to be conducted.

I am here initially to try to learn from those that know how to make good cannabis oil that's going to be at a medicinal grade. I also need to figure out how much cannabis oil we'll need for 100 people at a daily dosage for 6 months duration. Do not worry about cost at this stage.

Sure I can search google but maybe I want to try and talk to people who might be going through the cancer process here or somebody who has another medicinal need for it. Maybe someone within that community has a great way to make it. That's why I made this thread. To see if I could hear from people who knew something about cannabis oil that I didn't already know.

Fundraising for such a study comes a bit later down the path through health crowdfunding. I'm not there yet. This is where I start.
All I asked was..."Do you really think you are qualified to do this?"...I don't view that as negative energy or putting you down. I asked this because I know what a huge undertaking this would be.
I don't think being qualified as a registered nurse and being a cancer survivor makes you qualified to run a "human trial".
Congratulations on beating cancer, great to hear.

As to the... "As of last month people in BC can make cannabis derivatives such as oil and the doctors are screaming for more research to be conducted."
That ruling is now under appeal by the Federal government.

Rick Simpson is what you want to look into when it comes to cannabis oil treatments for cancer.

Good luck.
 
Thank you for putting me onto the Rick simpson video. I'll check that out. Thank you for the suggested starting dosages and for the amounts of cannabis to make the cannabis oil. I do realize it will take a tremendous amount of cannabis to make the oil and the money to pay for this will come from a crowd funding campaign done in the near future. You can do randomized control trials on humans as a registered nurse. Often registered nurses do their master's and PhD's this way. I did not know that the feds had appealed the decision about cannabis derivatives but there's still a green light to do it right now in BC. Thanks to all who have made an effort to explain things and I encourage further comments. I am reading and I am learning as quickly as I can. If you want to share your story or suggestions with cannabis oil and how it helped you please do. I am all eyes and ears.
 
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I've just done some calculations based on what you guys have suggested. I started with the meds costs.

One gram of oil takes 10 grams of bud to make. Correct me if I am wrong. Going with a gram cost of $5.

One person uses say 1 gram of oil per day. That 10 grams of bud @ $5 a gram = $50 a day cost. Day cost X monthly cost ($50. X 30 days = $1500) ...monthly cost X duration of trial ($1500X 6 months= $9,000 per participant)

100 participants X 6 months of med grade oil = $900,000.

That's if you have to pay for it. I have not asked the compassion clubs yet as I'm just working out the costs of such a study. The big pharmy's wouldn't bat an eye at paying that for a study if it was a medication but this would have to be raised by crowd funding since it's a natural product. This thread has helped already. Thanks.
 

gb123

Well-Known Member
You forgot that it takes up to five weeks to get to a gram a day for most people.
Think about it like this.
Each person needs about 100 grams to start. time five = 500 for the first 6 months. x 100 is only 50000 not 900000.
You must be trying to make a buck out of this eh.
Once again. To little to late my friend.
 

leaffan

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Crowd funding can be a real challenge...

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/03/drug-researchers-turn-to-crowdfunding-as-lean-times-call-for-creative-measures/

Dmitri Khartidi and his young colleagues in Montreal think they have an idea that could transform the power of cancer treatment.

It’s a test to pinpoint the exact nature of a tumour, allowing doctors to precisely tailor therapy to each malignancy. They have access to a university lab, but convincing tight-fisted government agencies or industry to pay for their research is another question entirely.

So the scientists are harnessing an Internet-age tactic and taking their appeal to the people, launching a crowdfunding campaign they hope will raise seed money to kickstart the project.

They are part of a surprising trend in the usually staid world of medical science, as scores of researchers around the world turn to web sites with names like Indiegogo to pitch their work to ordinary people.

One of the most successful drummed up $3.6-million to revive dormant research into a cancer-eating virus. Another raised over $300,000 for a stem-cell process that could repair the brains of MS patients.

Related
“Cancer is a problem for everybody,” Mr. Khartidi, a biochemistry doctoral student at McGill University, said about his group’s campaign. “The general public should be aware of the problem but they should also be aware of the solutions we are offering. And there should be an option for the general public to contribute to it.”

A just-published Canadian study identified more than 100 crowdfunding campaigns that have helped get novel research projects off the ground. The web-based appeals rarely generate huge sums — the average was $46,000. But they could be the answer for “high risk, high reward” scientific endeavours that governments and pharmaceutical companies consider too speculative, the authors say.

If the scientists can use the crowdfunding to show they have something promising, that in turn might convince big funders to step in, suggested the University of British Columbia health-policy researchers.

“Many of them will fail, but some might actually be big breakthroughs,” said Nick Dragojlovic, co-author of the study in the journal Drug Discovery Today. “That’s the hope, that it will allow a lot more people to run these early-stage projects.”

The UBC paper looked at campaigns dedicated to research on cancer and rare-disease drugs, with donors giving an average of $50 to $186 each. Some appeared on general-interest sites such as Indiegogo, while others were on new crowdfunding portals devoted to medical science, like Cure Cancer Starter and Experiment.

Researchers typically present their work in easy-to-understand bites, accompanied by video, compelling images and graphics explaining how the money would be spent.

A team at Toronto’s Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre and Ontario’s MaRS Innovation raised over $50,000 last year for WaveCheck, an ultrasound device wedded with innovative software that can show early on whether chemotherapy is working — saving valuable time if a different treatment approach is needed.

‘The odds of actually winning a grant application? You’d do better if you were just tossing a coin’

The group had hoped to generate twice that amount to fund a clinical trial of the technology, but the crowdfunding exercise helped convince an Ontario research agency to kick in $100,000, said Fazila Seker, WaveCheck business-development manager.

Even with a good idea and solid credentials, medical scientists now face a daunting task getting money from government organizations with limited budgets. Success rates for requests to the Canadian Institutes of Health Research, for instance, are less than 20%, said Ms. Seker.

“The odds of actually winning a grant application? You’d do better if you were just tossing a coin,” she said. “It’s very lean times, and lean times call for creative measures.”

A British-run campaign focused on resurrecting promising research in Sweden on a genetically altered, cancer-attacking virus. The discovery was not patented, so Big Pharma was not interested in investing. Almost 4,000 crowdfunding donors, though, contributed close to $200,000. Then an American oil tycoon with the disease added another $2.5-million, allowing a trial of the virus to move ahead.

Some of the campaigns are a little more edgy. A U.S. researcher on Experiment wants to raise $2,140 for a study on using women’s sweat — collected from donated scrunchies — to naturally boost men’s testosterone levels.

But why would complete strangers agree to fund any speculative research advertised on a web site? It could be that people are drawn to specific projects with little or no overhead costs, as opposed to donating to health charities that will devote at least some of their money to administration, said Mr. Dragojlovic.

Mr. Kharitidi and colleagues, including Vincent Menard, a pharmaceutical-research PhD, have raised just $555 so far, but hope the process will at least raise public awareness about their work.

National Post
 
gb123, please stop with the jabs. I'm not after making money. I haven't said all the information because I haven't got confirmation as to the success of my PhD application yet. Why does my post mean I have to be after making a buck? I haven't commented on where I'd get the weed from because I am talking to LP's that I know of and they haven't even thought about my conversation yet so please, let me educate myself without the negativity and jabs. People here have a world of experience and that's what I am after. If there are others doing research like this then that is fantastic. But it is still research that is needed. The politicians and the doctors are saying where's the evidence? When we do show them they say, not good enough. So the more of us out there who are doing it the better. Somebody in the posts above said at a minimum of 1-4 grams a day. Look up there. Somebody wrote it. All I did was start my calculations with one gram a day and factor in costs from there. Just to show you a university catch 22, to get into a masters or PhD you need to do a research proposal and in there you show studies that are showing similar findings.

The more you have the better your chances are that the university will allow you to go forward. You also need to have a 'supervisor' who will monitor your progress through the whole thing and that means you have to go to the post graduate section at a universities website and try and find somebody who would be interested in what you want to do. If you can't find one, then your research goes nowhere. I have been contacting universities all over Canada and internationally. Let me tell you - it isn't easy trying to get through the doors when there are no supervisors interested in your research. I'm sure Mr. Simpsn feels the same way when he tried to show cannabis oil worked on cancer to all the proper people and organizations only to have doors slammed in his face.

If researchers aren't getting into universities because the uni's won't allow their research to be done - the bad guys win yet again for another decade. We need many more trials and we definitely need more PhD's based around cannabis research of some kind. Why? So you can allow more researchers that want to do cannabis research to get in. They need mentors/supervisors as a rule. There's a majority of universities that are blocking this kind of thing but I wasn't going to mention that in his thread because it is more bad news. To get this done we need motivation and determination to continue.

But after saying that I watched two segments of rick simpson's you tube videos and I've learned even more. Thanks to the guys that posted that!

He said give a person 4 doses of half a piece of rice size each time at each meal and then once before bed. Sounds like less than a gram a day to me. Then four weeks later you up it to the size of a grain of rice 4 times a day.

You do use a solvent to make the oil. Simpson said 2.5 american gallons of isoproponol( Sp?) will be the amount to use for 1 pound of bud.

But if you have crystal all over your leaves, you could also use that and that trim would drop the price drastically. Something like white widow perhaps?

Leaffan thanks for posting that crowd funding article. They do say you should be using social media to promote your campaign. Social media could also mean targeting specifically interest groups. As an example a promotional ad campaign done right here at roll it up, and link to a thread which has a crowd funding video on it. Another idea would be to promote the campaign in a big local paper and do radio ads. So I'd need some start up money to get the ball rolling. Maybe I could call that 'phase 1' of the campaign...

Appreciate your contributions! :-)
 

WHATFG

Well-Known Member
What was the name of that woman who was just about dead from pharmaceuticals and she married her doc and now they do research together on mj? I think that's the general jist of the story. Anyone?

We are a little defensive here. One step forward leads to two steps back sometimes and it's getting really old. I applaud your efforts. I hope you are successful and show how great this plant really is.
 

CaretakerDad

Well-Known Member
Cannabis oil works best when it is a whole plant extract. Buds only and/or trim do not have all the essential oils that need to be extracted together to make the best medicine.
 
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howsitgrowin420

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You need a grower to work with or someone to otherwise donate your product. We can't get federal funding in the states for studying benefits of cannabis...if we could I'd be supplying universities exclusively! Maybe you have access to something like that. When you factor in the cost of growing, the time associated with the top-shelf product you seek, and the social consequences of the lifestyle...well, the real benefit comes from helping people.

Using 99% isopropyl alcohol to make oil extract I yield about 10% using sugary trim (about a half ounce from a 4 ounces (12-15g from 112g). I've made enough batches to know I'll get a little more than 10%, but that's the figure I use for forecasting. Using ONLY premium trim (no fan leaves, only that which is covered!). I don't want that oil directly in my mouth though, and would use everclear to make consumable oils (I think that is standard practice). Sadly, I can't buy everclear here in Michigan.

In general, look to current research to establish your methods. Your answers lie in current pharmaceutical research, cancer research, and human subjects research in general. Current cannabis research does exist and should be consulted before seeking information from unverifiable sources.
 
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CalyxCrusher

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gb123, please stop with the jabs. I'm not after making money. I haven't said all the information because I haven't got confirmation as to the success of my PhD application yet. Why does my post mean I have to be after making a buck? I haven't commented on where I'd get the weed from because I am talking to LP's that I know of and they haven't even thought about my conversation yet so please, let me educate myself without the negativity and jabs. People here have a world of experience and that's what I am after. If there are others doing research like this then that is fantastic. But it is still research that is needed. The politicians and the doctors are saying where's the evidence? When we do show them they say, not good enough. So the more of us out there who are doing it the better. Somebody in the posts above said at a minimum of 1-4 grams a day. Look up there. Somebody wrote it. All I did was start my calculations with one gram a day and factor in costs from there. Just to show you a university catch 22, to get into a masters or PhD you need to do a research proposal and in there you show studies that are showing similar findings.

The more you have the better your chances are that the university will allow you to go forward. You also need to have a 'supervisor' who will monitor your progress through the whole thing and that means you have to go to the post graduate section at a universities website and try and find somebody who would be interested in what you want to do. If you can't find one, then your research goes nowhere. I have been contacting universities all over Canada and internationally. Let me tell you - it isn't easy trying to get through the doors when there are no supervisors interested in your research. I'm sure Mr. Simpsn feels the same way when he tried to show cannabis oil worked on cancer to all the proper people and organizations only to have doors slammed in his face.

If researchers aren't getting into universities because the uni's won't allow their research to be done - the bad guys win yet again for another decade. We need many more trials and we definitely need more PhD's based around cannabis research of some kind. Why? So you can allow more researchers that want to do cannabis research to get in. They need mentors/supervisors as a rule. There's a majority of universities that are blocking this kind of thing but I wasn't going to mention that in his thread because it is more bad news. To get this done we need motivation and determination to continue.

But after saying that I watched two segments of rick simpson's you tube videos and I've learned even more. Thanks to the guys that posted that!

He said give a person 4 doses of half a piece of rice size each time at each meal and then once before bed. Sounds like less than a gram a day to me. Then four weeks later you up it to the size of a grain of rice 4 times a day.

You do use a solvent to make the oil. Simpson said 2.5 american gallons of isoproponol( Sp?) will be the amount to use for 1 pound of bud.

But if you have crystal all over your leaves, you could also use that and that trim would drop the price drastically. Something like white widow perhaps?

Leaffan thanks for posting that crowd funding article. They do say you should be using social media to promote your campaign. Social media could also mean targeting specifically interest groups. As an example a promotional ad campaign done right here at roll it up, and link to a thread which has a crowd funding video on it. Another idea would be to promote the campaign in a big local paper and do radio ads. So I'd need some start up money to get the ball rolling. Maybe I could call that 'phase 1' of the campaign...

Appreciate your contributions! :-)
LP's are not viewed highly around here. Why bring it to people who already produce inferior product which they over charge for, ALL in the name of medicine of course. I mean what could go wrong if they tried concentrates down the road. It will be affordable, much like their offerings of high quality medical cannabis I'm sure..............................(sarcasm)

Also, there is not set number when it comes to returns when making cannabis oil. The amount you get in return varies greatly based on strain and quality of starting material. Trying to use hard numbers with a massive quantity like your hoping for could lead to some big discrepancies between what you expect, and what you get. %99 Isopropyl pulls chlorophyll from the plant, not just the cannabinoids, so you get a dark colored oil. To get the stuff which is blonde or amber people use Butane, or CO2.
 
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