Chinese Bagseed Grow and Light Test

I have two plants from seeds of the same bagseed schwag. From what I've been told, the seeds were from sativas grown near Ghuangzhou, China, before they made their way North to me. I had a past plant (failed grow) from the same schwag, and was an interesting looking plant from the beginning. So, this should be an fun grow.

I am going to veg them for four weeks, and watch the pros and cons of the two light settings, so we can all learn a bit.
They both sprouted on the 10th. It's only been a week, but I've already had lots of questions answered. But I've also got a lot more questions just from watching.

I have each of them in a separate closet.
Plant 1 is under 24/0 light. 195W of CFLs.
Plant 2 is under 16/8 light, 175W of CFLs.

I took the first measurements on the 11th.
Plant 1 was 1.5cm tall.
Plant 2 was 2cm tall.
This is a minor difference and is most likely due to general plant genetics.

I took the second measurements two days later on the 13th.
Plant 1 was 2.5 cm tall. A one centimeter increase.
Plant 2 was 3.5 cm tall. A one and a half centimeter increase.
Still genetics, or could the lighting be showing the difference this early?

I took the third measurements today, the 17th. four days after the last measuring.
Plant 1 is 3.5cm tall. One more centimeter after four days.
Plant 2 is 4.5cm tall. One centimeter as well.
But there's more too it than just the heights.

I took some notes about the plants today.
-The stem of plant 1 is very dark purple.
-The stem of plant 2 is also fairly purple. Maybe this is a genetic thing for the plant?
-The leaves of plant 1 are very thin. Not even a 100% sativa should have them like that. They're kinda short too.
-The leaves of plant 2 are thick, but only in comparison to plant 1. They are also much darker green, and longer.
-The nodes of plant 1 are close together. Two real sets have formed, and a third is on its way.
-The nodes of plant 2 are close, but not so much as plant 1. Two sets of nodes have formed, and a third is on its way.

Here's a picture of the plants. You can see the difference as well.

chinease schwagg huh? ill subscribe lol

Are you in Sohzou? Just wondering, I have some friends over there. Anyway, they do look a lot different but could still be from the same mother. Good luck and keep coming with the pix!

Moldy said:

Are you in Sohzou? Just wondering, I have some friends over there. Anyway, they do look a lot different but could still be from the same mother. Good luck and keep coming with the pix!

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Nope. If you're talking about Suzhou, I'm farther North and West. I'm not paranoid enough to think that the Chinese government is watching this site, but I'd rather not name my city. The schwag is coming from Guangzhou, which is a lot closer to Suzhou than me, so they could be getting the same weed.

All the schwag I've been getting so far has been the same stuff, so while the seeds might be from different mothers, I'm still confident they're from the same land race.

I love these little plants. Even though I'm growing them to test veg light cycles, I'm planning on taking notes and pictures the entire way through veg and flowering. I hope that at least one is female. I really want to see what they look like when they're ready to harvest.

Maybe if they're good enough I can try to sell them to a seed bank. Heh heh.

Picture Time!

As you can see, plant 1 is still has much thinner leaves. They have widened a bit, and they're longer now. I really hope that the purple stem stays. It looks really cool.
Plant 2 is still taller and, in my opinion, healthier looking. I hope that I didn't get a weird mutant with plant 1. That would kinds throw off some of the results.

Oh well. It's still a fun grow.

Update time!

I transplanted them into new pots yesterday. The pots are 17.5cm wide and 13.5cm deep.

I measured again today, and here's what I got.
Plant 1 is now 4cm tall.
Plant 2 is now 5.75cm tall.
When this first started, plant 2 was only half a centimeter taller, but it's increasing the gap daily.

You can see in the pictures that the stem on plant 1 is still very dark. It's still noticeable on plant 2, but not nearly so well defined.

It's also worth noting that branches are beginning to form on both plants, but they started to form on plant 1 first.

I should have said this earlier, but feel free to talk in this thread, and if there's anything you think I should look for additionally, do mention it. I want to cover as many bases as possible.

I think the pictures got shuffled around, but it's easy to tell which plant is which.

Alas, I am beginning to suspect that despite being from the same schwag, I may actually be growing different strains. Or at least two of the same strain with different phenotypes. I don't think the light cycle could be effecting it THIS much.

Plant 1 (24/0) is now 5.5cm tall. Yay!
Plant 2 (16/ is now 7cm tall. Hoorah!

Things about plant 1:
1. The purple stem that I was so happy with is beginning to fade. As the stem thickens, the outer purple skin is beginning to dry and harden. I can see the green skin underneath. It will be nice while it lasts, at least.
2. This is one dense plant. It has three fully developed sets of leaves, and a fourth is very close. Each set so far is less than 1 cm away from each other.
3. Branches are already forming! I've only grown autoflowering strains so far, but branches in less than two weeks seems pretty good to me.
4. The picture doesn't show it well enough, but the leaves are very long and extraordinarily jagged.

Things about plant 2:
1. Like plant 1, the purple stem is fading a bit as the early skin on the stem hardens. It's split in one spot and the green skin underneath is showing. You can see this a bit in the last picture.
2. I'm beginning to think this one might be an indica. The leaves are fairly broad. I won't be convinced till it's gotten older though. I know the weed that this seed came from was definitely sativa, but who knows what type of plant pollinated it.
3. Branches are beginning to form, but they're not as far along as plant 1.
4. There ore only three fully developed sets of leaves on this plant. The fourth is still beginning to grow.

I have two weeks left before I begin to flower them. Maybe then I'll be more able to determine if it's genetics, or actually the light settings that are effecting the growth of these two the most.

As an extra little note, the soil for both of these is 2/5 generic potting soil, 2/5 coco coir, and the last 1/5 is a mix of perlite, small hydroton pellets, and gravel. Next time I do a grow, I'll make sure to include all this stuff earlier.

Day 18 of growth, and here's the heights.

Plant 1 is 7.5cm.
Plant 2 is also 7.5cm.

Plant one has finally caught up.
I really think that I'm growing different strains, but I'm still going to be posting updates. Chinese weed could be really good.

Plant 1 has more nodes than plant 2, and it's also growing its branches faster.
Plant 1 looks sativa, and plant 2 looks indica. I can't wait to smoke these.
Since their stems are thickening, they have both lost their purple hue.

I smoked a lot of weed in china and it was pretty damn good .

oh and for those thinking he's crazy for growing weed consider that ketamine is their drug of choice in china. They snort it like hoovers in the clubs over there so the peoples' attitude towards drugs isn't so bad despite their laws. You can get away with a lot with a small bribe .

Wildleaf said:

oh and for those thinking he's crazy for growing weed consider that ketamine is their drug of choice in china. They snort it like hoovers in the clubs over there so the peoples' attitude towards drugs isn't so bad despite their laws. You can get away with a lot with a small bribe .

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I haven't seen any ketamine in my area. Although it's probably mostly used by the richer people that get the private booths in clubs away from the guards. The most that will happen if you get caught smoking in a club or hostel is that they'll tell you to put it out. I haven't taken this risk myself, but I've seen it happen.

Nine days till I start flowering. I need to track down some rubbing alcohol. I've got a small spider mite (or something similar) problem in one of the veg chambers, and I want to get rid of them before I start moving plants around. They're all over my last Deisel Ryder.

i was thinking myself about how i heard how insane chinas drug laws and penalties are. the plants look good to me man. the bud you grow will be danker the the bud you got the seeds out of. id let em veg a little more man your not gonna have alot of bud sites if you flower them now.

just out of curiosity how much do you spend about (in usd) for bud in china. some one i talked to in iceland pays pretty legit prices for dank all the way up there

have you ever seen the show locked up abroad? that probly sounded scary but i mean i herd those chinese were tight asses about drugs, you know the risks im sure

Forgive my spelling...but phonetically this seems correct to me.

Knee how ma?

It makes me happy to hear that there are people like yourself in China. I know the penalties that you can face...when I was last in Taiwan they had a woman arrested on national prime time tv for having an ounce of weed on her.
My wife told me that the penalty could be life in prison unless she had the money to buy her way out.

KaleoXxX said:

i was thinking myself about how i heard how insane chinas drug laws and penalties are. the plants look good to me man. the bud you grow will be danker the the bud you got the seeds out of. id let em veg a little more man your not gonna have alot of bud sites if you flower them now.

just out of curiosity how much do you spend about (in usd) for bud in china. some one i talked to in iceland pays pretty legit prices for dank all the way up there

have you ever seen the show locked up abroad? that probly sounded scary but i mean i herd those chinese were tight asses about drugs, you know the risks im sure

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I'm going to let them flower for about 4 weeks total. If I was going for massive buds, I'd actually go out and make the effort to buy a ballast and an HID light. For now, I'm happy with what I have. I haven't seen bud in China, myself. I've been told that it goes for about 150 kuai a gram though. That's about $23 a gram for westerners.

I'm not worried about getting caught. Everything I grow is for personal smoke. I share with a couple friends, and sell them a bit on occasion, but I don't make it known to other foreigners that I know anything about weed.

I'm going to do one more set of pictures and measurements later today. Then, on the 8th, I'm going to put them both into 12/12 with another plant I've been growing. They're all different kinds of plants, so it will be fun to see how they differ in flowering.

These measurements were taken back on the 4th.

Plant 1 is 14cm tall.
Plant 2 is 11.5 cm tall

Quite a difference now.

It beginning to feel like each plant has it's own personality. Plant 1 is like all crazy spiky, and plant 2 is just very mellow and calm. I hope they're both female, so I can smoke them both and compare.

I've been using copious amounts of rubbing alcohol to kill off some mites that have been causing a problem. Both of the plants seem to be unphased by all of it though.

Three more days till I begin flowering.

There's also a little bonus pic in there. The two seedlings are both Blue Mystic, by Nirvana. I'm going to start a grow journal for them too. I want to give them a bit of time to get going, and I plan on keeping a mother plant from one of these if I can.

The unsprouted one is a Diesel Ryder. I might give this one to a friend to teach him how to grow. The black tray to the left has six peyote cacti growing. You can't see them due to the angle.

peyote huh? very nice, where did you get those from? i hear they grow in the desert in the mid west but i have never met anyone with peyote let alone ever seen it. but then i never walked through a desert like Jim Morison, Axel Rose or bevis and but head

it looks like this is going to be some great sativa

hey there .... thanks for posting and creating your thread. great to have some ideas from across the pond .... in the "other" direction. Your plants look great like someone also said, awesome looking sativa .... I hope you can see your way to allowing for more flowering time. you will be duly rewarded for your patience. Grow On!~ Thank you again . I look forward to returning to my chair in your room soon to see additional progress. Walking On!~

KaleoXxX said:

peyote huh? very nice, where did you get those from? i hear they grow in the desert in the mid west but i have never met anyone with peyote let alone ever seen it. but then i never walked through a desert like Jim Morison, Axel Rose or bevis and but head

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I bought the peyote as seeds from Grass City. They're only a couple months old, so they're very small. Honestly, I don't even know if I'll ever be able to harvest these ones. They take forever to grow, and I'll probably be back in America by then. Might be kinda hard to get through customs.

tahoe58 said:

hey there .... thanks for posting and creating your thread. great to have some ideas from across the pond .... in the "other" direction. Your plants look great like someone also said, awesome looking sativa .... I hope you can see your way to allowing for more flowering time. you will be duly rewarded for your patience. Grow On!~ Thank you again . I look forward to returning to my chair in your room soon to see additional progress. Walking On!~

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I hope they're both female. They start flowering on Wednesday, along with a Swazi I've been using to practice LST. They'll take a while to flower, but it will be worth it. Either way, they will give my Blue Mystics time to get bigger. I want to eventually get a small rotation going so I can get a small harvest every two weeks or so.

Happy birthday! My plants are four weeks old today.

I've taken two clippings from each plant. They're small, and I don't really care if they live or not. I just need practice taking clones. It also couldn't hurt to keep some alive if the parents come out female and I want to make a mother plant.

Since it's their birthday, I've decided to name each plant.

Plant 1 has been named A4. It's an inside joke about my when my friend was to poor to afford rolling papers, so he had to make his joints from A4 paper.
A4 is now 18.5cm tall and spiky as Hell. I almost considered calling it Sonic since all it's pointed leaves make it look like a hedgehog.

Plant 2 has been named Mint because it has a slight minty, wintergreen smell. It may just be my imagination though.
Mint is 18 cm tall and is catching back up to A4.

I've been spraying all of my plants with liberal amounts of rubbing alcohol to fend off a spider mite infestation. So far, the plants have had no adverse reactions to the alcohol. I hate the stuff though. It smells like baijiu. The bugs seem to hate it too, since most of them are dead now.

Here are some pictures. They look right at home next to my Swazi. It starts flowering today as well.

Wow, subscribed soley due to the fact that I live near Ghuangzhou! I'm going to be starting my own journal soon, and would love to compare your progress to mine! I'm also not Chinese haha. Zhen bang!!