Clones and domes :@

Alex281

Alex281

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Hey all, as a medical patient i decided to grow a couple of plants under the limit and for the life of me, i cant figure out the dam cloning.

Heres what i do
1. dip grodan a ok plug in lemon adjusted water from an aquaponics system
2.shake a tad bit of water out keeping it nicely wet
3.cut clone on a branch that is cloneable at a 45 degree angle and dip in water
4. dip them in brand new clonex and stick them the rockwool
5.stick them in cloning dome on a heating mat.
6. misting 2-3 times a day about 4-6 sprays a time with aquaponics system water.

they are still green but are limping its been more than a week and a half. one turned completely black and withered at the rockwool so i trashed it. 2 others are having leaves turn blackish and really shriveling but not dry.

i just checked them today for roots and the rockwool was super dry so i really wet each one up from how dry they were


What am i doing wrong?
 
alphawolf.hack

alphawolf.hack

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checking them too much. just try not to look at it for 2 weeks. put it in soil it will hold the water better but will take longer. i had the best success in soil at first. then i made an aeroponics bucket and mastered that. but the way your doing it is a very good way to do it just dont look for roots no matter what they will show up thru the bottom of cube. light really inhibits the growth especially in the first week. also i recommend a powdered or liquid cloning solution gel just seems to not work to me i use hormex liquid or greenlight powder. sometimes just water.
 
alphawolf.hack

alphawolf.hack

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worry about keeping cubes wet and not misting the clones so much i dont use a dome i find its just a matter of the medium staying wet enough. sometime i use a tray filled with water and i set cubes in it next to an air stone.
 
hammer6913

hammer6913

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im thinkin ure using to much moisture. plants limp and turning a little yello.. this clone ,achine is very easy to make and easy to use. ive had roots in less than a week. i use a drop of superthrive, route 66 and a mycrohizae for beneficial micros.. hope this helps ya out alex..

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Alex281

Alex281

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Thanks for the answers!i will remove the window and let them get a little more fresh air but not a big drop all at once. how often should i check the rockwool? how much should i water it? its in a cell in a tray on a hydrofarm seed starter thingy with mat.
 

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hammer6913

hammer6913

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put somethin underneat to open it up abit. it needs to have some ventilation. just make sure it doesnt dry out. spray the top of the dome not the plqants. ur just soakin them.. i soak my cubes for a minute daily then put it on a cookie rack. let it drain. then put it back in dome. just check to see there not dry but not soaked. ull get it figured out soon.
 
Alex281

Alex281

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hammer6913 said:
put somethin underneat to open it up abit. it needs to have some ventilation. just make sure it doesnt dry out. spray the top of the dome not the plqants. ur just soakin them.. i soak my cubes for a minute daily then put it on a cookie rack. let it drain. then put it back in dome. just check to see there not dry but not soaked. ull get it figured out soon.
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Sure! is there any other sugestions besides airing it up a little and less water?
 
hammer6913

hammer6913

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Alex281 said:
Sure! is there any other sugestions besides airing it up a little and less water?
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what kind of lite are u using? also peruvian seabird guano is a great nute for young plants. once u get a 2nd set of leves start using that. the nice thing bout guano's is its all natural, makes it hard to burn ur plants. just mix @ 1/2 for the 1st couple watering. just in case. i hope i have been helpful alex. good luck.. if ya need any help just clik on my journal and just ask . later bud..
 
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BADMONKEY NO BANANA

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here is wot i do for my clones and it gives good returns......cut the clones, dip in clonex, put in soil, mist THE TOP OF PROPAGATOR ONLY......NOT THE CLONES!!!!!!! do this as neccesary, do this and in two weeks you have strong, well rooted clones ready to go....hope this helps
 
Alex281

Alex281

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Thank you for the replies! Had i not posted i would've continued to mist the clones wrongly!

unfortunately i cannot do soil as these are all going to be moved to an aquaponics system one day, so rockwool is a must.
whenever i use water, i only use it from my aquaponics system. is this bad? are there to many nutrients in the water from aquaponics?
what is a good method to wet the rockwool without disturbing the plants and to also be 100% sure of the exact wetness of rock wool(what level shoould that even be at?).

i have 3 27w 5000k cfls and one 23w 2700k on 24 hours that are shining on the mothers which are the only plants allowed in soil ( they were a gift)
the dome is positioned right next to one of them and gets a fair amount of light.
 
silverserf

silverserf

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I use a homemade bubble cloner similar to the one above. I get roots within 10 days every time 100% success rate with a 23w cfl.
I use a rooting powder...it's pink.
A couple of drops of preferable organic nutes are ok i try for a ppm of about 150-180.
Cut most of the leaves off the spriggan, the plant will absorb energy from the leaves rather than concentrating on growing roots....zen style.
Only mist the plant for the first day or two, if it stays green your golden, then make the biatch grow roots to drink...gangsta style.

You can transplant from soil to hydro (DWC anyway), just wash the dirt off and put the roots in the net pot and cover with hydroton (whatever), they should be poking down into the water in 2-3 days. Once my clones have a bit of roots started i plant them in soil if i'm not ready for them to go into the DWC setup.

Cheers,
SilverSerf
 
Alex281

Alex281

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silverserf said:
I use a homemade bubble cloner similar to the one above. I get roots within 10 days every time 100% success rate with a 23w cfl.


I use a rooting powder...it's pink.
A couple of drops of preferable organic nutes are ok i try for a ppm of about 150-180.
Cut most of the leaves off the spriggan, the plant will absorb energy from the leaves rather than concentrating on growing roots....zen style.
Only mist the plant for the first day or two, if it stays green your golden, then make the biatch grow roots to drink...gangsta style.

You can transplant from soil to hydro (DWC anyway), just wash the dirt off and put the roots in the net pot and cover with hydroton (whatever), they should be poking down into the water in 2-3 days. Once my clones have a bit of roots started i plant them in soil if i'm not ready for them to go into the DWC setup.

Cheers,
SilverSerf
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i love how i just spent 35$ on the dome and now everyone is telling me to use a bubble cloner:wall: oh well, ill look into the bubble cloner but i doubt its gonna happen as im pretty broke right now. thanks for the advice!
 
Alex281

Alex281

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just trashed 2 of my fire og plants, they turned completely black. the other guys are all good except 1 or 2 is a tad yellow. all seem to be drooping a bit. i removed the water at the bottom of the tray and i havent misted today as the cubes seem a little bit to wet and the sides of the dome quickly get foggy after i put the lid on . ive been airing them out every once in a while as well.
 
onlycucumbershere

onlycucumbershere

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From my own experience so far, and I hope it helps;

The clone environment needs plenty of humidity (to the point of air saturation but not so much as to create lots of condensation on your prop dome) and plenty of under-heat for the new roots to be activated, to not be saturated in water as this will rot the stem before it has a chance to root and to make sure the air is changed at least once daily.
I tend to release a clone from the dome environment as soon as I see new green growth or new roots / both. New green growth will generally mean that the plant is no longer receiving moisture from the leaves alone but from the medium too. Making this a good indicator of the plants rooting status - it's ready, and any time within about two weeks is good to pot-up.

A little yellowing and drying up of the lower leaves is to be expected although ideally it shouldn't happen, but we don't all have ideal growing rooms eh. What this yellowing means is that the young-ling is not getting enough moisture and it's feeding upon itself, to survive.
My clones tend to go through a yellowing stage and then perk right up again. After that initial period, any yellowing that occurred will stay that way or fall off, but either way you shouldn't pull it off until it wants to come off - remember the plant is feeding on it! Another reason to leave it, is the plant may not have the energy to heal the open wound.

As somebody else mentioned, there are plenty of ways to achieve these factors. And some of these methods work for some, but not for others and vice versa. The key really, is to try all different methods to see what works for you and gives the best results.

Good luck :)

I like to use root riot cubes for my cuts, in a 2" pot but with a layer of coco pebbles for drainage. The little pot also provides a little darkness for the roots. The pot then sits in a 1cm layer of warmed water which I replenish every few days - ideally to the level of the pebbles so the cube isn't actually submersed in the water. So far I'm seeing okay results. The last method I used wasn't so successful...
 
Alex281

Alex281

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onlycucumbershere said:
From my own experience so far, and I hope it helps;

The clone environment needs plenty of humidity (to the point of air saturation but not so much as to create lots of condensation on your prop dome) and plenty of under-heat for the new roots to be activated, to not be saturated in water as this will rot the stem before it has a chance to root and to make sure the air is changed at least once daily.
I tend to release a clone from the dome environment as soon as I see new green growth or new roots / both. New green growth will generally mean that the plant is no longer receiving moisture from the leaves alone but from the medium too. Making this a good indicator of the plants rooting status - it's ready, and any time within about two weeks is good to pot-up.

A little yellowing and drying up of the lower leaves is to be expected although ideally it shouldn't happen, but we don't all have ideal growing rooms eh. What this yellowing means is that the young-ling is not getting enough moisture and it's feeding upon itself, to survive.
My clones tend to go through a yellowing stage and then perk right up again. After that initial period, any yellowing that occurred will stay that way or fall off, but either way you shouldn't pull it off until it wants to come off - remember the plant is feeding on it! Another reason to leave it, is the plant may not have the energy to heal the open wound.

As somebody else mentioned, there are plenty of ways to achieve these factors. And some of these methods work for some, but not for others and vice versa. The key really, is to try all different methods to see what works for you and gives the best results.

Good luck :)

I like to use root riot cubes for my cuts, in a 2" pot but with a layer of coco pebbles for drainage. The little pot also provides a little darkness for the roots. The pot then sits in a 1cm layer of warmed water which I replenish every few days - ideally to the level of the pebbles so the cube isn't actually submersed in the water. So far I'm seeing okay results. The last method I used wasn't so successful...
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Thank you for the advice!! i love this forum!
 
silverserf

silverserf

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Hey Alex, i'm sure you can do it with the dome. I was just telling ya about how i do it, but it's no reason to give up on the dome. I actually have one but only used it once with some seeds, so couldn't offer much advice there. I seem to recall there being some decent video on utube of how to do it too....

I've made a clone of MJ with a glass of water in the window......that was 20 years ago....thanks for making me feel old. I wish i had RIU back then....would have saved lots of disasters....

My grandma clones her african violets in a cup of water....


Cheers,
SilverSerf
 
mufastaa

mufastaa

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i do it without any hormone or rockwool or plugs...

-i just cut a clone (make sure the cut is at an angle)
-put it in a 4" net pot, with the bottom of the stem very close to bottom of the netpot (like 1 cm)
-fill the netpot with hydroton while holding the clone in place.
-put the 4" netpot in a 2 gallon bucket dwc setup, with the water level just barely above the bottom of the net pot (25% strength veg nutes)
-mist and take a breath into the inside of a plastic cup, and place it over the clone.
+breath under the cup once a day and mist the inside of the cup if it gets dry.
roots should show through the bottom in about two weeks and grow quickly, and then the water can be lowered.

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