cloning trouble need help

Ok I have tried to clone my plant 3 or 4 times and no luck....

i have tried a bubble cloner and am in the process of using jus water with the stem aboiut 1/2 inch into the water, ive also tried dipping into rooting hormones and putting into soil and putting into a humidity dome.... still no luck

I need an easy begginers way to clone

any advise would be greatly appreciated

Dude i think that your problem is that you are trying too hard.Let the plant's do the work all that you have to do is mist them with water ph of 5.5/6.0 and a drop of multithrive to every litre of water.Spray them first thing in the morning and last thing at night.This is the only way the plant can get feed for the first 7/10 days till the first signs of roots appear.Also very important is a propagator mist the inside of the lid.Leave the vents closed for the first 2 days then open a little.I allways use rockwool cubes and put my clones on a angle so the roots come through the side of the cube.The reason for this is the roots have less disstance to travel.Make sure that the cubes are kept moist not wet through.same mixture to feed grow medium 1ml of multithrive to every ltr of water.

You're probably using too much light.

With picky stuff that takes a long time to root, I just put them in a dixie cup full of perlite and use a clear cup for a lid. I have a skunk clone that took almost 3 weeks to root. Keep them alive, and in time you'll see roots!

There are many many different ways to clone. I've had my share of failures. I also have had success. My success came after I added a good bit of oxygen to the equation in the form of an airstone and some H2O2. And I found this bit of info from an ask Ed article (Ed Rosenthal) >
"A good place to start is hydrogen peroxide. Hydrogen peroxide is essentially water with an oxygen atom attached to each molecule. Its chemical formula is H2O2. The second oxygen atom is ready to jump from the peroxide to other molecules and to oxidize them. It readily jumps onto mold spores and bacteria and destroys them by burning them up. Peroxide is sold in different strengths. Indoor garden shops sometimes sell 10% peroxide, but drug stores usually sell the 3% strength.
One part of 3% hydrogen peroxide can be combined with two parts water, or one part 10% solution is combined with nine parts water, to make a 1% solution. This solution should be used for cuttings for the first week. Nutrient and amendments can be added to this mix. It can also be used in the sprayer if you mist the plants. It is a sterilizing agent, so your cuttings are much less likely to suffer infection."
So now I've got my clones in the Bubbler bowl i made, with a solution of 1 part H2O2 to 3 parts water. And i have dipped them in rooting powder. Some say the gel is better, others say the powder is better. Go figure. These were taken from mom 3 days ago.

You've got to have just the right amount of light, just the right temp (75 ish), and just enough moisture at the stem base.
As long as the RH is above 50% i dont mist or anything. If the leaves start to yellow your giving it too much light, and its photosynthesizing and getting hungry doing so, instead of making roots. Make sure that its DARK where you want the roots to grow. they wont if there's any light at all.
I obviously dont know what you've been doing wrong but keep reading and keep trying you will find your zone. Try different size cuttings. Some plants are much harder to clone than others too. Have you tried scarification?
Do your clones wilt right away or do they last a while but not root, and then die?

the cuttings that i take never wilt they jus dont root any.... ill keep waiting and see what happens.... damn its hard to wait it out

I use a bubble system to clone. I try to take clones at least 5 inches and let 3 inches under water(though any length is fine). If you have fluorescent lighting that will be perfect just use blue light or you can use hps or metal halide just keep if far from the plant, even indirect light will work here. Make sure you have your water bubbleing enough, i use two small stones in a 5 gallon bucket. You can use plain water or add cloning nutes. Seems to root the same to me either way so i use straight tap water.

Time until you see roots?
My jock horror from nirvana takes 7 days every time and on the other hand my snow white from nirvana takes 2-3 weeks.

You need to make sure you have bubbles, your resivoir is cool, and you have some light and your plant will root every time.

stoner93 said:

the cuttings that i take never wilt they jus dont root any.... ill keep waiting and see what happens.... damn its hard to wait it out

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Yeah you might not be waiting long enough. Like Gardenman said, sometimes it'll take a week, some times much longer. My current mother plant spent over 3 weeks in a cup before it rooted. i could not believe that it survived that long with no roots. But it did finally root.
So if your cuttings aren't wilting then I'll assume you're doing the 1st part right. I think its a matter of the right amount of light, and the right temperature. And definitely use a bubbler and some H202.
you have not mentioned what you have for lights. Flouro tubes at 10-12 inches is supposed to be about right.
Tap water is supposed to be fine, but your tap water COULD have too much chlorine and crap in it. I always use bottled or filtered water on cuttings and seedlings. Hang in there....

i have a flouro tube that i can use... and what size bubbler would be a size for 2 clones....

are u cutting the right part of the plant, got pics?

stoner93 said:

i have a flouro tube that i can use... and what size bubbler would be a size for 2 clones....

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That depends on the volume of water that the bubbler is in not the # of clones. The smallest airstone i've seen would be sufficient for 2 clones in like, IDK , say 1/2 gallon of water?
my air stone is probably just barely enough for the volume of water in my bubbler bowl but i have 1/3 H202 in there so i know that there is plenty of oxygen.

no i dont have any pics but its from the bottom of the plant where ive read that all the hormones are ....this is the correct place to take the cutting right?

tyke1973 said:

Dude i think that your problem is that you are trying too hard.Let the plant's do the work all that you have to do is mist them with water ph of 5.5/6.0 and a drop of multithrive to every litre of water.Spray them first thing in the morning and last thing at night.This is the only way the plant can get feed for the first 7/10 days till the first signs of roots appear.Also very important is a propagator mist the inside of the lid.Leave the vents closed for the first 2 days then open a little.I allways use rockwool cubes and put my clones on a angle so the roots come through the side of the cube.The reason for this is the roots have less disstance to travel.Make sure that the cubes are kept moist not wet through.same mixture to feed grow medium 1ml of multithrive to every ltr of water.

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Clones do not need any feeding before roots appear. The lack of nutrients is what causes the clone to send out roots in search of food. No need to give the clones anything like multithrive or superthrive, I don't see it hurting in any way, but not needed.

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...Make sure that its DARK where you want the roots to grow. they wont if there's any light at all....

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They do not need darkness at all. The bubble cloner I have used is completely clear and sits under a light for weeks at a time. The only issue that can come from not having darkness is algae growing. I might just be lucky not to ever have an algae issue, but some folks are just unlucky in general.

hey LowEnder can you explain to me the size and all little details to what your cloner looks like and whats in it... also what kind of water and how long does it take for your cuttings to clone.... im still trying to find a way that works best for me

Mine is very similar to the one that itsgrowinglikeaweed posted a picture of. I use a rubber maid clear container instead, just because I always have these in my kitchen, but it doesn't really matter what container you use. I find the smaller the container the easier to deal with because of the amount of water needed to maintain the correct level. You can use any size of air pump but the smaller ones, 20gal, seem to work just fine for this small of a setup. I use a clone nutrient for my water, but its not needed, it just makes the roots explode into muti roots once they have come out. Which once you have roots and start feeding them, they will do that on there own anyways. I do use a gel on the tips as well. When you put the clones in the rubber inserts, make sure the stem is hanging far enough down into the container so that they barely touching if not just a little bit in the water. I put my air stones directly below the clones, so that the bubbles come up on the stem and the ones that are not in the water will be splashed. The area of the container below the lid and above the water has about a 90-99% humidity level so you will have roots come out from the tip and up the stem. The clones usually take about 7-14days to start rooting.

No misting, no humidity dome needed unless RH is below 50%, no thinking about if you have watered them too much or too little, they just root! If you do this setup correctly and your clones are cut correctly, you shouldn't have any more problems trying to figure out how to clone.

thanks one last question and i think i have everything i need.... when and where on the mother plant do you take yours cutting....
1.) how tall is she when you cut
2.) what part of the plant do you cut
3.) will any rooting gel/powder work
4.) do i have to have a gel/or powder

I've read that the very lowest branches are more difficult to root. So take any branch above that.
1) height does not matter at all
2) Cut any branch that has at least 2 nodes, and is large enough to work with. I've read smaller clones root faster. larger clones have a lot of stored nutrients that they can use before they figure out that they need to grow roots.
3) the active ingredient in rooting hormone is butyric acid. Any rooting product containing it SHOULD help get roots faster.
4) No you do not. My 1st clone ever was just a 4 inch branch in a cup of water. No gel, no powder, no bubbles, no H202, nothing. Just water. It took almost 2 weeks to root and I put it in dirt about 5 days after roots 1st developed.

My mother was cloned from a very small branch segment that had only 1 leaf attached. Basically it was a stick with a leaf. That little thing survived for 3 weeks in a cup of water before I added a bubbler and it finally made roots.


I was trying the branch segment cloning instruction from the GrowFAQ. >
Introduction
Most folks (including me) take only main growing tips as cuttings, but occasions arise when you want to preserve the maximum number of growing tips on the mother plant. Sometimes it is better to remove only one complete branch and make it into multiple clones. Occasionally, while training a plant, you will break off a branch. Here's a way to turn that branch into multiple clones.

Just as an aside, I discovered this technique when my knife slipped, and I cut across a node instead of trimming off the leaf and secondary growing tip at that node. I was surprised when the bottom half rooted faster than the main growing tip.

According to several sources, cuttings taken from below the main growing tip will usually root faster (and in my observation better) due to lower nitrogen levels and higher carbohydrate levels. I also find the stiffer woody stems from lower on a branch easier to deal with than soft green ones near the tip.

The smaller secondary growing tips will take a bit longer to develop into full fledged plants, but they will have a great set of roots to do it with.

Technique
Cut off the main growing tip by making a 45 degree cut through the main stem just above a node and prepare it as you normally would.

Cut up the remainder of the branch by making a succession of cuts through the nodes at 45 degree angles. You will end up with a bunch of short stems with a 45 degree cut at the top and the bottom, and a leaf and growing tip near the upper edge of the top cut.





If the cutting is too long to fit entirely inside your cloning medium, trim the bottom end of the cutting.






Holding the cutting by the leaf stem (petiole), scrape away some of the outer layer of the stem tissue to expose some phloem (the white tissue underneath). Dip the whole stem into your cloning gel or rooting hormone, be sure to cover both the bottom and the top cuts. Avoid getting any on the growing tip.



Insert the stem into the cloning medium, you may need to open up the hole in the rockwool or latex plug a bit first.










Use a sterile tool (a chopstick, q-tip stem, etc) to push on the top of the stem to push it inside the cloning medium. The leaf may tilt up as the stem goes inside the medium.

1) height isn't the really issue, its if she has enough plant matter to take a cutting. you don't normally plan on killing her because your taking cuttings. so if she has "extra" branches or whatever and your leaving her enough to live then it should be ok to take a clone.

2) everywhere.... I've clone parts from the top and the bottom. I've also cloned stem sections with no ends. as long as it has a node section at the end where you want it to root from, which it might not even need this, and has a couple leaves.

3) any brand is fine, but between gels and powders, i've never used a powder before, so I can't true tell you which is better. they are both going to give the clone hormones so that it has an easier time transitioning to creating roots. powders are applied by wetting the tip and dipping it in there, which doesn't seal the tip but rather coat it with a dry medium, so you could have issues with an air bubble getting up the stem, and it would probably wash off if using a bubbler. the gels seem to seal the tip and help in the air bubble up the stem problem.

4) not at all, it just helps in speeding up the time it take the clone to know that it should be making roots. I've done it both ways to test it and found that it could take up to 3-4 weeks without it, but thats not always the case. It could without the gel/powder pop roots out in a week, its just unlikely.

lol its like competition to get the answers out before the other... i guess it you shift now, I just got off work, so I need to get some sleep.