Common sense gun control!

desert dude · Jul 10, 2013

"A retired Army veteran who fired tanks, cannons and machine guns while protecting this nation recently asked the U.S. government for the green light to buy a .22-caliber rifle from a Wal-Mart in Tomball.

Permission denied.

The FBI turned down Ron Kelly's application for gun ownership because of a 1971 conviction for minor drug possession.

He was busted with a small bag of marijuana while in high school in North Carolina. As a first-time offender, he was sentenced to a year of probation.

Two years later, right about the time the U.S. was withdrawing from the Vietnam War and there was a hippie on every corner, he enlisted in the Army.

"I went on to serve 20 years," said Kelly, who often wears a camouflaged Army cap over his head of gray hair. "I had a top-secret clearance. It is amazing that they won't let me buy a gun for a misdemeanor 42 years ago."

http://www.stripes.com/news/army/retired-soldier-can-t-buy-rifle-over-1971-pot-conviction-1.229701

GreenSummit · Jul 10, 2013

gotta love it. he should have gone to a private dealer/gun show.

desert dude · Jul 10, 2013

commit a misdemeanor and forever lose your constitutional rights. sounds reasonable in 21st century America.

Dr Kynes · Jul 10, 2013

GreenSummit said:
gotta love it. he should have gone to a private dealer/gun show.

Derp Derp Derp.

see that thing way over there ------->

thats the point of the story.

<-------- see that spot WAY over there? thats where you are, its called irrelevance.

but by all means tell us how "Private Dealers/Gunshows" would make a bit of difference. any transfer of a firearm by any person without filing the ATF "request to transfer a gun" form is a federal crime. even if that transfer is done by a "private dealer" (protip: if you are a Dealer you muist be licensed anywhere in the US, and fill out the ATF form for every gun.) a private seller, or at a gun show.

the form ALWAYS gets filled out, and he would be denied no matter who he was dealing with.

what you probably meant was a Black Market Gun Dealer (like the Obama Administration) but you foolishy equate persons selling 1 or 2 guns privately and traveling gun shows with the illegal arms trade. but thats stupid.

Rob Roy · Jul 10, 2013

cough cough 2nd amendment cough cough

UncleBuck · Jul 10, 2013

Rob Roy said:
cough cough 2nd amendment cough cough

cough cough not absolute cough cough

tokeprep · Jul 10, 2013

Dr Kynes said:
but by all means tell us how "Private Dealers/Gunshows" would make a bit of difference. any transfer of a firearm by any person without filing the ATF "request to transfer a gun" form is a federal crime. even if that transfer is done by a "private dealer" (protip: if you are a Dealer you muist be licensed anywhere in the US, and fill out the ATF form for every gun.) a private seller, or at a gun show.

the form ALWAYS gets filled out, and he would be denied no matter who he was dealing with.

what you probably meant was a Black Market Gun Dealer (like the Obama Administration) but you foolishy equate persons selling 1 or 2 guns privately and traveling gun shows with the illegal arms trade. but thats stupid.

I don't think this is true. I looked up the form you're talking about, and apparently it's only required in very rare circumstances, mainly if you buy: 1) machine guns, 2) short-barreled rifles/shotguns, 3) suppressors. There are some catch all categories, but most gun sales could not possibly trigger them. Accordingly, it seems like the form you're talking about is actually filled out very rarely (by people at gun shows/private dealers), because most guns sold don't fall within the statute that requires filing the form.

cannabineer · Jul 10, 2013

this thread again. cn

UncleBuck · Jul 10, 2013

cannabineer said:
this thread again. cn

i would complain, but this is a breath of fresh air after all the gas and odors from the taco and burrito and nacho feast.

desert dude · Jul 10, 2013

cannabineer said:
this thread again. cn

You've just become old and jaded. ;-)

Rob Roy · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
cough cough not absolute cough cough

cough cough "shall not be infringed" cough cough

BigNBushy · Jul 12, 2013

The best form of gun control is to hold it with a stead hand. I feel that if an American citizen wants to buy a surface to air missile, he ought to be able.

kpmarine · Jul 12, 2013

BigNBushy said:
The best form of gun control is to hold it with a stead hand. I feel that if an American citizen wants to buy a surface to air missile, he ought to be able.

Frankly, I don't trust every Tom, Dick, and Harry with a mortar.

BigNBushy · Jul 12, 2013

kpmarine said:
Frankly, I don't trust every Tom, Dick, and Harry with a mortar.

Things like this would probably be expensive, thus it wouldn't be standard issue in trailer parks and housing projects. And just because you don't trust someone, does not give you the right to deny them. Although, being able to own howitzers isn't high on my list of priorities.

kpmarine · Jul 12, 2013

BigNBushy said:
Things like this would probably be expensive, thus it wouldn't be standard issue in trailer parks and housing projects. And just because you don't trust someone, does not give you the right to deny them. Although, being able to own howitzers isn't high on my list of priorities.

Making a mortar is easy; making good explosive rounds is tricky. Why exactly would a mortar be expensive if they were free for anyone to purchase? They are easy and reasonably inexpensive to manufacture. I'd be okay with it if there was an actual competency test involved for things with high explosives.

Dr Kynes · Jul 12, 2013

kpmarine said:
Frankly, I don't trust every Tom, Dick, and Harry with a mortar.

i dont trust anyone who doesnt trust his neighbors to own the means to defend themselves.

high explosives are (and have been for some time) strictly controlled. the prohibition on grenades, bombs, HE artillery ordinance, landmines, rocket launchers, thermonuclear devices, weaponized small pox, VX gas and killer robots is not the issue.

thats the kind of stupid shit morons bring up to Reductio the Absurdum out of anyone who thinks i should be able to have a fucking rifle or handgun.

Dr Kynes · Jul 12, 2013

BigNBushy said:
Things like this would probably be expensive, thus it wouldn't be standard issue in trailer parks and housing projects. And just because you don't trust someone, does not give you the right to deny them. Although, being able to own howitzers isn't high on my list of priorities.

so, as long as people in trailer parks cant get these weapons then everything is ok...

cuz TRAILER PARKS are where the crime problem lives.

it's always MOBILE HOMES busting drive-bys, and trailer park residents fighting turf wars over crack slanging corners.

crime doesnt come from mobile home parks, it comes from the inner city and now, thanks to Section 8 housing, from the suburbs.

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2013

Dr Kynes said:
so, as long as people in trailer parks cant get these weapons then everything is ok...

cuz TRAILER PARKS are where the crime problem lives.

it's always MOBILE HOMES busting drive-bys, and trailer park residents fighting turf wars over crack slanging corners.

crime doesnt come from mobile home parks, it comes from the inner city and now, thanks to Section 8 housing, from the suburbs.

at least with you, it's elegant and subtle.

it's nowhere near as offensive, obvious or loud as a taco fart. or a burrito fart. or a nacho fart.

also, trailer park mobile home trailer park? NO! section 8 inner city drive by turf war crime crack slanging corner.

no subtle imagery there.

Dr Kynes · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
at least with you, it's elegant and subtle.

it's nowhere near as offensive, obvious or loud as a taco fart. or a burrito fart. or a nacho fart.

also, trailer park mobile home trailer park? NO! section 8 inner city drive by turf war crime crack slanging corner.

no subtle imagery there.

ohh yeah, THAT RACIST!!

so the crack dealers DO come from trailer parks?

the street gangs busting drivebys DO live in mobile homes?

check the police blotter if you dare bucky. even in candy ass oregon most of the arrests will be "people of colour" not trailer park crackers, and this is not because the cops are racist.

minorities commit MORE CRIMES than honkeys. this fact doesnt change just because it makes you feel bad.

if you want to know whats REALLY RACIST, grab a mirror.

you want to pretend that crime is just the result of poverty, when it most certainly is NOT crime comes from criminals, and those criminals are not even always poor. crime is born of one asshole who thinks he should have the shit somebody else earned, and they have the right to take it.

thats right crime comes from the very sense of entitlement yo8u lefties have been inculcating into the black community for three generations now. good job. that "War on Poverty" is almost as cool as the "War on Drugs". im sure youll win them both when hillary takes office in 2016. :dunce:

echelon1k1 · Jul 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
at least with you, it's elegant and subtle.

it's nowhere near as offensive, obvious or loud as a taco fart. or a burrito fart. or a nacho fart.

also, trailer park mobile home trailer park? NO! section 8 inner city drive by turf war crime crack slanging corner.

no subtle imagery there.

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