Common sense gun control!

NoDrama said:
You live in Kalifornia USSA don't you?
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No. I live in California in the USA.
I lived there for several years, my legal guns at the time were a full auto Colt M-16a2 and the new Glock 17 9mm. Early 80's. Times have changed since then eh? I lived in Irvine, San Diego, Long Beach, El Toro and Newport Beach.

Pretty common thing here where I live now, I got a Remington 700 in .243 for $160 five years ago at a garage sale. My first foray into blackpowder was when I saw a nice Thompson Center Hawken .50 for only $220 with all the powder, tools, cleaning supplies in a nice box with 200 bullets of various kinds just last year at a yard sale.

I think the last person shot down in cold blood in these parts was 3 years ago, some teens fighting over a girl.

People are pretty respectful of most everyone else around here. Almost everyone has a gun or 300. Some people make me look like a damn near novice gun collector.
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I have only lived in states with what I perceive as rather restrictive gun laws. If you can tell a resident of, say, Massachusetts or Hawai'i how to locally find these private sales, and of decent guns (not throwaways and waistbelt junkers), I'll pay attention. But until then to compare a freer culture with or to the sort those of us in less permissive states have to endure strikes me as a failure of empathy. I am guessing Alaska from your location, which is one of the least encumbered gun ownership states in the entire Union. Y'all don't even have a border common with another part of the Union. cn
 
NoDrama said:
One caveat: This only applies to NEW guns. Used guns can be purchased at a gun show and there is no requirement for a background check or any type of ATF form to be filled out.
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federal regulation requires all transfers of any arms (including curios and relics) to be accompanied by the "request to transfer a gun" form. some states say "nahh.. you dont need it" but the atf regulations say you need it every time.

new guns old guns, ANY gun requires the form even if your state doesnt require you to submit to the form's impertinent demand that you beg permission from the atf to give your nephew a deer rifle.
the atf's official position is any transfer without their permission is a crime, no matter what gun, who receives it, or when or where the transfer takes place. they just dont have the power to force the states to submit to their demands.

some states like California willingly bend over and let the ATF rail their asses (and through them, our asses) by passing laws which require me to fill out the form, but since they have no idea what guns i may have or how many they have no ability to actually oversee my gifts to my nephews. unless one of them is an ATF rat.
 
NoDrama said:
The Background check isn't a burden.

How Much crime is committed by people of low intelligence and diminished mental capacity? Got any statistics vs white collar crimes?
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If it's not a burden, why does it matter? If it prevents something, why is it a bad thing?
 
Dr Kynes said:
federal regulation requires all transfers of any arms (including curios and relics) to be accompanied by the "request to transfer a gun" form. some states say "nahh.. you dont need it" but the atf regulations say you need it every time.
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Nope, they don't, that only applies in INTERSTATE commerce. If your a resident of Iowa and you buy a used gun from a farmer in Iowa, there is no requirement whatsoever. Only a licensee has to provide that paperwork. If you don't have a FFL and the guy your selling it to doesn't have one either, there is no form to fill out.

ATF Form 4473 is required only for transfers by a licensee.
[27 CFR 478.124]
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Hope this sets you straight.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/atf-f-4473.html



 
cannabineer said:
No. I live in California in the USA.

I have only lived in states with what I perceive as rather restrictive gun laws. If you can tell a resident of, say, Massachusetts or Hawai'i how to locally find these private sales, and of decent guns (not throwaways and waistbelt junkers), I'll pay attention. But until then to compare a freer culture with or to the sort those of us in less permissive states have to endure strikes me as a failure of empathy. I am guessing Alaska from your location, which is one of the least encumbered gun ownership states in the entire Union. Y'all don't even have a border common with another part of the Union. cn
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Alaska would be 100% wrong.
 
NoDrama said:
No I didn't.
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Then please enlighten me as to what you meant with this post. I am clearly missing something.
NoDrama said:
Criminals don't follow laws, that's why they are criminals. Bust into one pawn shop and you have 100 guns. Criminals do these kinds of things everyday, and there are LAWS against such activity!!

with 150 million firearms in the USA ( A conservative estimate) I can literally buy 300 firearms today, On a Sunday, with cash, no record, no background checks all 100% legally. How much harder is it going to be for a criminal?

Institute a gun ban and the guns will still be in the streets. Chicago has a gun ban, and the highest incident of murder by gun in the nation.
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If your point was not that gun laws are pointless because gun laws don't prevent all gun crime; then what was it?
 
cannabineer said:
It's the only place in the USA with midnight sun. I told you mine; will you tell me yours? cn
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he has given a few clues over the years.

the biggest one he gave was that he lives near the biggest indian reservation in the country, putting him somewhere near the navajo nation reservation (largest in both size and population). this means the four corners region.

another big hint was that his area was not affected (effected? fuck, i never know) by last year's drought. this also leads to the four corners region, specifically southern utah, possibly western nex mexico or southwest colorado.

his onions were 6'' taller than mine at the same time last year, and harvested his peas slightly after mine. this puts him in a zone 8.

put these all together, and it's pretty obvious to me that he's somewhere near either...

A) st george utah (my best guess)

B) farmington, new mexico

or*

C) durango, colorado
 
kpmarine said:
Then please enlighten me as to what you meant with this post. I am clearly missing something.

If your point was not that gun laws are pointless because gun laws don't prevent all gun crime; then what was it?
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Reading isn't fundamental in your part of the country eh? Deep south?

I bet if you really concentrate hard, and use a dictionary, you can figure out the point. Perhaps enlist the aid of some of the more intellectual people around her for their assistance? That might help too.
 
UncleBuck said:
he has given a few clues over the years.

the biggest one he gave was that he lives near the biggest indian reservation in the country, putting him somewhere near the navajo nation reservation (largest in both size and population). this means the four corners region.

another big hint was that his area was not affected (effected? fuck, i never know) by last year's drought. this also leads to the four corners region, specifically southern utah, possibly western nex mexico or southwest colorado.

his onions were 6'' taller than mine at the same time last year, and harvested his peas slightly after mine. this puts him in a zone 8.

put these all together, and it's pretty obvious to me that he's somewhere near either...

A) st george utah (my best guess)

B) farmington, new mexico

or*

C) durango, colorado
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Started my second crop of peas last week.

Utah is a good guess, I do have family there. don't live there though.
Canabineer, Led Zeppelin's immigration song has less to do with my location than you think.

Affected buck, effect is only used in the form of a noun. Not the biggest reservation, one of the biggest.
 
UncleBuck said:
he has given a few clues over the years.

the biggest one he gave was that he lives near the biggest indian reservation in the country, putting him somewhere near the navajo nation reservation (largest in both size and population). this means the four corners region.

another big hint was that his area was not affected (effected? fuck, i never know) by last year's drought. this also leads to the four corners region, specifically southern utah, possibly western nex mexico or southwest colorado.

his onions were 6'' taller than mine at the same time last year, and harvested his peas slightly after mine. this puts him in a zone 8.

put these all together, and it's pretty obvious to me that he's somewhere near either...

A) st george utah (my best guess)

B) farmington, new mexico

or*

C) durango, colorado
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Haven't seen the hints that you speak of, but based on his farming posts I always thought the midwest: Iowa, Kansas, Indiana, Illinois. Note: I do not really care, it's his business.
 
NoDrama said:
Canabineer, Led Zeppelin's immigration song has less to do with my location than you think.
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You didn't give it back. Now I feel just ... used. cn

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NoDrama said:
Reading isn't fundamental in your part of the country eh? Deep south?

I bet if you really concentrate hard, and use a dictionary, you can figure out the point. Perhaps enlist the aid of some of the more intellectual people around her for their assistance? That might help too.
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Can't even be bothered to explain your point, can you? I offered you a free chance to explain exactly how your post did not follow that logical path (Thus shooting my point down,); and yet you choose to mock (What you assume to be.) my current residence.

Had you looked at my "location" description; you'd see I was in CA. I'd bet my ASVAB score was higher than yours, too.
 
kpmarine said:
Can't even be bothered to explain your point, can you? I offered you a free chance to explain exactly how your post did not follow that logical path (Thus shooting my point down,); and yet you choose to mock (What you assume to be.) my current residence.

Had you looked at my "location" description; you'd see I was in CA. I'd bet my ASVAB score was higher than yours, too.
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Hmm your ASVAB was higher than mine? What MOS were you in?
 
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