Conservatives!!! here's you're outlet!

redivider

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ok, the FOX bashing thread has been entertaining, but nothing new... we saw how right leaning FOX is....

here's you're chance...

start bashing MSNBC, CNN, HLN, and whatever else you consider a liberal statino..

find me some evidence of them distorting the news, photoshopping, creative editing, or out right LYING....

feel free to include any of michael moore's films, and the truth behind those, his films are very skewed and use filmography techniques to fool you... i already went to the truth about his movies sites, but there's gotta be people here who don't have a clue.....

here's your chance conservatives.... SHOOT AWAYY!!!!!:fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire:
 
i just wanna throw out there that I am a liberal, so I'm kind of throwing my ideals and the people who support them under the bus, but I felt it was important to maintain a level playing field... there's been plenty of conservative bashing here, and I felt it necessary to create this thread to maintain some sort of objectivity in the forum.... you hadn't really had this type of opportunity before, so I provided it....

peace!
 
put some proof up on the thread, links, video, etc etc etc....

i don't watch CBS or dan rather.... they're booooooooooooooooringggg
 
ok, so 55 views, no reply..... i thought MSNBC was like fox, spreading lies, mis information, using editing, manipulation, all that stuff to get their liberal/socialistic/radical/extremist views accross....

and yet nothing.............................

i'm waiting..........
 
ok, so 55 views, no reply..... i thought MSNBC was like fox, spreading lies, mis information, using editing, manipulation, all that stuff to get their liberal/socialistic/radical/extremist views accross.... and yet nothing.............................i'm waiting..........

Your premise is skewed. "Like Fox???" :lol:

Here, I'll take one on: MSNBC is owned by General Electric. Throughout Obama's campaign, and right up to the present moment, MSNBC has, and is, in the tank for Obama. General Electric stands to make billions in government contracts if Obama's environmental agenda is passed. How? General Electric makes the turbines for the wind mills that are supposed to save the environment. In other words, MSNBC is the lobbying arm for General Electric disguised as a news organization.
 
Here, I'll take one on: MSNBC is owned by General Electric. Throughout Obama's campaign, and right up to the present moment, MSNBC has, and is, in the tank for Obama. General Electric stands to make billions in government contracts if Obama's environmental agenda is passed. How? General Electric makes the turbines for the wind mills that are supposed to save the environment. In other words, MSNBC is the lobbying arm for General Electric disguised as a news organization.

oh, vi you conspiracy theorist. that cant possibly be true accept for the fact that it is. and i must say, keith olberman and rachel maddow are about the most unbiased reporters to ever grace the floor of a news room. no, honest. those other stations would never rig a pickup truck with explosives to show how they blow up. yes, except for the fact they did.

they would never invent some guy from texas who has secret information about bush and get dan rather to repeat it even thow he knew it was fake, admitted it and then said, "i am still sticking with the story." that could never happen. no way.

they would never come on before an election was over and call it for gore. then 4 years later come on again and call it for kerry when the election was about 7 hours from being over. hell no those honest to goodness news men would never do that!

do i need to go on?
 
One reads and hears with increasing disbelief and anger that we don’t know the motive or motives of Nidal Malik Hasan, the Army major who fired over 100 shots at his fellow American soldiers in order to murder and maim as many as possible. Hasan ended up allegedly murdering 13 people, but government and Army spokesmen and the mainstream media claim they just can’t figure out why he did this. They are, however, certain that it was not an act of terrorism.
Sunday’s New York Times “Week in Review” article about Nidal Hasan was titled “When Soldiers Snap.” The gist of the article was that Maj. Hasan had snapped — even though he had never been in combat. He snapped in advance. Just two sentences in the article were devoted to the possibility that his motives were in any way relatable to his Muslim faith.
As Chris Matthews put it, “it’s unclear if religion was a factor in this shooting.” To Matthews, not only was it unclear if Hasan’s Islamic faith was “the” factor, it was unclear if it was even “a” factor.
Likewise, on NPR, Tom Gjelten offered the novel explanation that Hasan, who has never been in combat, may have suffered from “pre-traumatic stress disorder” because he anticipated having traumatic distress. “Was he an example,” Gjelten seriously asked, “of these soldiers who are literally freaked out by what they are likely to face when they are deployed?”
And on Fox News, Geraldo Rivera, said, “I don’t know what motivates him … as far as I know … he’s a sociopath; he’s a criminal. He could have had a toothache and gone off because of that.”
The deaths and maiming at Fort Hood are heartbreaking and angering. But ultimately far more injurious to America than the act of evil that caused those deaths and injuries is the massive self-deception American society engages in out of fear of being called bigoted, racist or “Islamaphobic.”
Any American who is not prepared to lie to himself has reason to believe that Hasan’s religious views were prominent, if not exclusive, factors for why he slaughtered fellow American soldiers. The motives appear as clear as any could be.
Chuck Medley, Fort Hood’s director of Emergency Services, told Reuters that Hasan yelled “Allahu Akbar” — the Arabic incantation of “Allah is the greatest” yelled by Islamic terrorists before they slaughter people — just before the shooting,
Dr. Val Finnell told The Associated Press that he and other classmates participating in a 2007-2008 master’s program with Hasan at the Uniformed Services University had complained about his comments, including that the war on terror was “a war against Islam.”
Another classmate told the AP that he complained to five officers and two civilian faculty members at the university. He also wrote to Pentagon officials that fear in the military of being seen as politically incorrect prevented an “intellectually honest discussion of Islamic ideology” in the ranks.
Other classmates who participated in a 2007-2008 master’s program at a military college said they, too, had complained to superiors about Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan’s anti-American views, which included his giving a presentation that justified suicide bombing and telling classmates that Islamic law trumped the U.S. Constitution.
And ABC News now reports that Hasan had attempted to contact al-Qaida.
It is a given that the vast majority of American Muslims are loyal Americans. But that’s not the only given.
It is equally a given that a certain percentage of Muslims in and outside of the military are Islamists who want Americans dead and America Muslim.
It does the majority of Muslims no favor to deny the existence of the minority. And Muslim Americans do themselves no favor by denying it. Unfortunately, Muslims are theoretically represented by groups like CAIR whose values are correctly seen by most Americans as suspect.
Americans are worried by the fact that there are Muslim Americans whose beliefs compel them to murder non-Muslim Americans. But what is even more worrisome is that American Muslim groups (and their supporters on the left) deny this.
 
give me some proof!!!!! come onnn

talking about msnbc and climate change and general electric is great, and mostly true...
but this thread is about proof of MSNBC, CNN, CNBC and whatever else you call "liberal" media misleading the public through mis-information, lying, and creative editing...

here's an example of mis-information:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jwi_DAef6g

here's an example of fox news lying:

well, the clip is above, how they published an article that said all other networks "missed" the march.....

and the creative editing is this:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/archives/184866.asp#comments

ok, that's a blog page, just look at the second video, labeled Jon Stewart gotcha moment... or something like that....


i need something like this, but for other sources.... come on.. you can dig it up, if it actually happens... i'm waiting!!!
 
Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist



By Meg Sullivan December 14, 2005 Category: Research
While the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper's news pages are liberal, even more liberal than The New York Times. The Drudge Report may have a right-wing reputation, but it leans left. Coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media. Meanwhile, almost all major media outlets tilt to the left.
These are just a few of the surprising findings from a UCLA-led study, which is believed to be the first successful attempt at objectively quantifying bias in a range of media outlets and ranking them accordingly.
"I suspected that many media outlets would tilt to the left because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican," said Tim Groseclose, a UCLA political scientist and the study's lead author. "But I was surprised at just how pronounced the distinctions are."
"Overall, the major media outlets are quite moderate compared to members of Congress, but even so, there is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them lean to the left," said co‑author Jeffrey Milyo, University of Missouri economist and public policy scholar.
The results appear in the latest issue of the Quarterly Journal of Economics, which will become available in mid-December.
Groseclose and Milyo based their research on a standard gauge of a lawmaker's support for liberal causes. Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) tracks the percentage of times that each lawmaker votes on the liberal side of an issue. Based on these votes, the ADA assigns a numerical score to each lawmaker, where "100" is the most liberal and "0" is the most conservative. After adjustments to compensate for disproportionate representation that the Senate gives to low‑population states and the lack of representation for the District of Columbia, the average ADA score in Congress (50.1) was assumed to represent the political position of the average U.S. voter.
Groseclose and Milyo then directed 21 research assistants — most of them college students — to scour U.S. media coverage of the past 10 years. They tallied the number of times each media outlet referred to think tanks and policy groups, such as the left-leaning NAACP or the right-leaning Heritage Foundation.
Next, they did the same exercise with speeches of U.S. lawmakers. If a media outlet displayed a citation pattern similar to that of a lawmaker, then Groseclose and Milyo's method assigned both a similar ADA score.
"A media person would have never done this study," said Groseclose, a UCLA political science professor, whose research and teaching focuses on the U.S. Congress. "It takes a Congress scholar even to think of using ADA scores as a measure. And I don't think many media scholars would have considered comparing news stories to congressional speeches."
Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.
Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter.
The most centrist outlet proved to be the "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer." CNN's "NewsNight With Aaron Brown" and ABC's "Good Morning America" were a close second and third.
"Our estimates for these outlets, we feel, give particular credibility to our efforts, as three of the four moderators for the 2004 presidential and vice-presidential debates came from these three news outlets — Jim Lehrer, Charlie Gibson and Gwen Ifill," Groseclose said. "If these newscasters weren't centrist, staffers for one of the campaign teams would have objected and insisted on other moderators."
The fourth most centrist outlet was "Special Report With Brit Hume" on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.
"If viewers spent an equal amount of time watching Fox's 'Special Report' as ABC's 'World News' and NBC's 'Nightly News,' then they would receive a nearly perfectly balanced version of the news," said Milyo, an associate professor of economics and public affairs at the University of Missouri at Columbia.
Five news outlets — "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer," ABC's "Good Morning America," CNN's "NewsNight With Aaron Brown," Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and the Drudge Report — were in a statistical dead heat in the race for the most centrist news outlet. Of the print media, USA Today was the most centrist.
An additional feature of the study shows how each outlet compares in political orientation with actual lawmakers. The news pages of The Wall Street Journal scored a little to the left of the average American Democrat, as determined by the average ADA score of all Democrats in Congress (85 versus 84). With scores in the mid-70s, CBS' "Evening News" and The New York Times looked similar to Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., who has an ADA score of 74.
Most of the outlets were less liberal than Lieberman but more liberal than former Sen. John Breaux, D-La. Those media outlets included the Drudge Report, ABC's "World News Tonight," NBC's "Nightly News," USA Today, NBC's "Today Show," Time magazine, U.S. News & World Report, Newsweek, NPR's "Morning Edition," CBS' "Early Show" and The Washington Post.
Since Groseclose and Milyo were more concerned with bias in news reporting than opinion pieces, which are designed to stake a political position, they omitted editorials and Op‑Eds from their tallies. This is one reason their study finds The Wall Street Journal more liberal than conventional wisdom asserts.
Another finding that contradicted conventional wisdom was that the Drudge Report was slightly left of center.
"One thing people should keep in mind is that our data for the Drudge Report was based almost entirely on the articles that the Drudge Report lists on other Web sites," said Groseclose. "Very little was based on the stories that Matt Drudge himself wrote. The fact that the Drudge Report appears left of center is merely a reflection of the overall bias of the media."
Yet another finding that contradicted conventional wisdom relates to National Public Radio, often cited by conservatives as an egregious example of a liberal news outlet. But according to the UCLA-University of Missouri study, it ranked eighth most liberal of the 20 that the study examined.
"By our estimate, NPR hardly differs from the average mainstream news outlet," Groseclose said. "Its score is approximately equal to those of Time, Newsweek and U.S. News & World Report and its score is slightly more conservative than The Washington Post's. If anything, government‑funded outlets in our sample have a slightly lower average ADA score (61), than the private outlets in our sample (62.8)."
The researchers took numerous steps to safeguard against bias — or the appearance of same — in the work, which took close to three years to complete. They went to great lengths to ensure that as many research assistants supported Democratic candidate Al Gore in the 2000 election as supported President George Bush. They also sought no outside funding, a rarity in scholarly research.
"No matter the results, we feared our findings would've been suspect if we'd received support from any group that could be perceived as right- or left-leaning, so we consciously decided to fund this project only with our own salaries and research funds that our own universities provided," Groseclose said.
The results break new ground.
"Past researchers have been able to say whether an outlet is conservative or liberal, but no one has ever compared media outlets to lawmakers," Groseclose said. "Our work gives a precise characterization of the bias and relates it to known commodity — politicians."
-UCLA-
 
hey rick!

don't change the subject on me, this is about the liberal media lying to the public to help promote the radical/socialistic/nazi ideology of all fascists!!!!

and the paragraph above just stinks anti-muslim...

did you know that muslims say Allah-Ackbar, or whatever, as a sign of praise?? it is not just said before an attack?? it's sort of a AleluhYAH, for christians and such.....
muslims normally say it before they think they will die, just because they think it gets them to skip the line into heaven....

this guy was off his rocker since birth... sociopath's are sick, there is no cure, and no religion can save you.....
 
give me some proof!!!!! come onnn

talking about msnbc and climate change and general electric is great, and mostly true...
but this thread is about proof of MSNBC, CNN, CNBC and whatever else you call "liberal" media misleading the public through mis-information, lying, and creative editing...

here's an example of mis-information:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jwi_DAef6g

here's an example of fox news lying:

well, the clip is above, how they published an article that said all other networks "missed" the march.....

and the creative editing is this:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/archives/184866.asp#comments

ok, that's a blog page, just look at the first video, labeled Jon Stewart gotcha moment... or something like that....


i need something like this, but for other sources.... come on.. you can dig it up, if it actually happens... i'm waiting!!!

Man, you will accept just about anything as proof. The examples you posted are as weak as it gets.

I thought you wanted to discuss the bias of media outlets besides Fox - why are you going on about Fox already? Are you a liar?
 
hey rick!

don't change the subject on me, this is about the liberal media lying to the public to help promote the radical/socialistic/nazi ideology of all fascists!!!!

and the paragraph above just stinks anti-muslim...

did you know that muslims say Allah-Ackbar, or whatever, as a sign of praise?? it is not just said before an attack?? it's sort of a AleluhYAH, for christians and such.....
muslims normally say it before they think they will die, just because they think it gets them to skip the line into heaven....

this guy was off his rocker since birth... sociopath's are sick, there is no cure, and no religion can save you.....

Well, you do do a good job of proving that you can't fix stupid.
 
This is a silly thread. redivider is laughing up his sleeve trying to get you to spend your time out digging up links for him. Don't bother. Everyone knows how the liberal media lied about Bush and WMDs. They lied by saying he lied. Rather was disgraced. CNN actually had a deal with Saddam not to report negatively about him in exchange for being able to keep broadcasting from Iraq. And just a week ago, Chris mathews actually said, "Is it a crime to call Al Qaeda?" Yes it most definitely is a crime and that he seems to think it isn't, or shouldn't be, speaks volumes.

The network news, CNN, msnbc, the NYT are all down and sinking faster precisely because the majority of the people realize they are nothing but political organs and nothing they say can be trusted. If redivider wants daily updates on the lies of the state controlled media, let him listen to Rush!
 
give me some proof!!!!! come on

talking about msnbc and climate change and general electric is great, and mostly true...
but this thread is about proof of MSNBC, CNN, CNBC and whatever else you call "liberal" media misleading the public through mis-information, lying, and creative editing...
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What? General Electric using MSNBC to garner favors from the Obama administration isn't enough for you? Time to pull your head out of the sand, redivider. We are being led down the Road to Serfdom at a faster rate than ever, and you're celebrating the fact.
 
ah yes... you have proven to me that the media is bias.... i know that....

i'm asking for proof of how someone distorts reality, to make a point...

for example, hannity's producers distorted reality to make it seem like there were millions of people at the gathering... well, it was a "mistake"... and the footage is there to back it up.... that's proof...

and spinning a story ain't quite enough... anyone can spin a story to make it seem positive... you don't need a PR degree to do that....


dig it up... come on!! i know it's gotta be somewhere....
 
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