Constitutional Carry: No Permit Needed Gaining Steam

Mr Neutron

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DUDLEY BROWN, Liberty Ink Journal


In the 1990s and early 2000s, several states created concealed carry gun permit laws, which have certainly captured the attention of our nation’s gun owners. These laws set standardized criteria for issuing concealed carry permits and removed the ability of law enforcement and government bureaucrats to develop their own arbitrary requirements.

However, there is a stronger, more principled movement afoot, surfing on the waves of the Constitution’s resurgence. That movement is permitless carry or Vermont Carry, but is most properly called Constitutional Carry, which means carrying a concealed handgun without a concealed carry permit. The state of Vermont started the movement when it drafted its constitution in 1777. Vermont has not criminalized concealed carry privileges. Something that is not specifically listed in law as “illegal” or “criminal” is, by definition, allowed. Thankfully, it’s not the other way around, because if everything was prohibited by default, freedom and innovation would be dramatically stifled.

So, Vermont residents can carry concealed weapons without first seeking permission from Big Brother. And though its residents can still acquire permits for concealed carry, they aren’t required to do so. Vermont, not coincidentally, is by most measures the safest state in our nation when judged by any violent crime statistic. Why shouldn’t gun owners demand Constitutional Carry? By necessity, permit systems create lists of gun owners who are considered “dangerous.”

Though many states have tried to pass Constitutional Carry laws, they have been opposed by the institutional gun lobby and state-level minions. What is the reasoning for opposing real concealed carry reform? I’ve heard, “We can’t have just anyone carrying a gun,” or, “There’s no training required, so it would be dangerous.” However, there is no evidence that either objection is valid.

In his book, More Guns Less Crime, Professor John Lott proves the case that more firearms per capita mean less crime per capita. The bumper sticker sums it up: “Criminals Prefer Unarmed Victims.” Does this mean “anyone” will be carrying? The argument implies that those who are not legally eligible to possess firearms will carry concealed weapons without ramifications. However, this ignores both state and federal law that prohibits them from even possessing the firearm. Constitutional Carry does not give criminals the right to carry concealed weapons any more than does a permit system.

Debates about how much training is required usually come down to the precise amount of training the training-requirement advocate possesses, regardless of the cost or burden placed on the citizen. Let’s be clear: Voluntary training for anyone who might come in contact with a firearm is just plain common sense, and for those who plan to employ firearms for self-defense, extensive training is needed. However, government requirements will make it a slippery slope. Is bearing arms a right or a privilege? Privileges can be revoked, rights, theoretically, cannot.

After all, I practice my First Amendment right to free speech without government-mandated training. A member of the press or a free citizen who was required to seek government approval prior to practicing their First Amendment right to free speech would naturally think their rights were violated yet don’t even blink at the suggestion that gun owners must do the same for their Second Amendment rights.

Most likely, the objections stem from either ignorance of the facts or objections that Constitutional Carry is not a cash-cow industry. I’m a firearms instructor myself, and train many students in the carrying of concealed handguns, but I’d gladly trade that income for the freedom to carry concealed weapons without a permit.

Thankfully, we don’t have a government training mandate for mere possession of a firearm. Only the most radical gun-haters would suggest we institute one. In Colorado, where open carry is unregulated and relatively unrestricted—only a few areas ban it—there is clearly no training requirement. Why, then, does putting your jacket over the handgun mean training is suddenly a compelling requirement?

I’ve been involved in pushing for Constitutional Carry for more than 17 years, and it is exciting that there now seems to be momentum for passing this law in a broad range of states. In 2003, Alaska passed a measure to decriminalize permitless carry while still leaving their permit system intact. However, it seemed like this was an anomaly—until the last two years. Arizona passed a Constitutional Carry law in its 2010 legislative session but it was overshadowed by the uproar over the illegal immigration legislation. Nevertheless, Arizona residents can now carry concealed without a permit. Despite a limited 30-day budgetary session, Wyoming passed a Constitutional Carry bill out of the state house. That measure died in its state senate but only because of time. And both Iowa and Montana had Constitutional Carry bills offered in the last few years.

Though I’m not opposed to concealed carry permit systems—I have a permit after all, and have trained hundreds of men and women in order to get their permits—I’d much rather pass a Constitutional Carry law wherever possible. The Rocky Mountain Gun Owners organization has pushed Constitutional Carry bills in Colorado many times and will continue to do so until it is passed.

Because most gun owners oppose regulation, registration and restriction on carrying concealed, I believe it is a smart move for our community to set Constitutional Carry as a goal. We owe it to ourselves and future generations to make our best efforts for real liberty.

Dudley Brown is the Executive Director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, Colorado’s largest gun rights organization, and the National Association for Gun Rights. Mr. Brown has been a guest on dozens of local and national television programs, including Hannity & Colmes, Geraldo Live, NBC Nightly News and Fox News.
 
Because most gun owners oppose regulation, registration and restriction on carrying concealed
That is not a true statement. I cherish my right to own a gun and that right is diminished without regulations in place to keep people who have lost that right from obtaining and carrying such guns. That is what most gun owners believe and the NRA does not speak for the vast majority of responsible gun owners.

Don't be fooled by this propaganda.

- Proud Gun Owner
 
That is not a true statement. I cherish my right to own a gun and that right is diminished without regulations in place to keep people who have lost that right from obtaining and carrying such guns. That is what most gun owners believe and the NRA does not speak for the vast majority of responsible gun owners.

Don't be fooled by this propaganda.

- Proud Gun Owner

The NRA does not speak for me either. They compromise too much.

As to what the majority of gun owners believe, it only proves that most people, including gun owners, don't know what they believe.
"A great many people think they are thinking, when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." William James
"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because a majority share in it." Tolstoy
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not believed by a majority of the people." Bruno
 
Rights are unalienable, they can never be taken away. Regulations may say that certain felons can never legally carry a firearm, but that does not ever stop them from having one. In some states you can be a Mass murderer/child rapist/chain smoker and 10 years after you get out of prison you can legally have firearms again.

It is EXTREMELY EASY to purchase Rifles, Assault Rifles, Handguns, Shotguns anonymously and cheaply with no identification and a purely cash based transaction in any state in the nation. VERY VERY EASY!!!!! And im not talking about gun shows or back alley car trunk purchases.

Disclaimer: I own a shit ton of firearms and collect them.
 
Rights are unalienable, they can never be taken away. Regulations may say that certain felons can never legally carry a firearm, but that does not ever stop them from having one. In some states you can be a Mass murderer/child rapist/chain smoker and 10 years after you get out of prison you can legally have firearms again.

It is EXTREMELY EASY to purchase Rifles, Assault Rifles, Handguns, Shotguns anonymously and cheaply with no identification and a purely cash based transaction in any state in the nation. VERY VERY EASY!!!!! And im not talking about gun shows or back alley car trunk purchases.

Disclaimer: I own a shit ton of firearms and collect them.


how many are in a shit ton. cuz if its what i am thinking, i have about one quarter shit ton.
 
I remember right after the shooting in Tucson, a Dem politician was on camera, bemoaning the fact that it was easier to get a gun than it is to get a driver's license.
IT SHOULD BE!
A driver's license is a privilege granted by the state, not a Constitutionally guaranteed right.
Owning a firearm is our right as Americans. It is not about sport, it is about protecting ourselves from an out-of-control, tyrannical government. Limitations have already impinged upon our right to keep and bear arms.
Every time I hear gun control advocates say, "You don't need an assault rifle to hunt", "Illegal weapons", "That's too many guns for one person to own", "Safer bullets", "Guns kill", I want to vomit.
 
how many are in a shit ton. cuz if its what i am thinking, i have about one quarter shit ton.
This is just AR type rifles and Pistols. Hunting rifles, Revolvers and shotguns use a different Gun safe.

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i want every jared loughner of the world to have complete, unfettered access to whatever assault rifles they feel they need!
 
Nice stocks! I am going to downgrade my number to an eighth shit ton! I do need to pick up some ar weapons. They look fun.
 
truth be known they want jared loughners. so they can be held up as examples and used to take everyone elses guns.

look at the govt purposely giving guns to a bunch of drug cartels. how else can you explain something so hidiously insidious?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/15/eveningnews/main20071385.shtml
So using this logic we should let Weapon Grade Nuclear Fissile material to be sold to the bad people also, just so we can find out who the bad people are after they nuke us. Makes sense right? Only to government.
 
I have had a CCP for over twenty years. My state just went from a "may issue state" to a "shall issue state" meaning if you don't have a criminal record that would bar one from possessing a weapon they have to give you the permit.
Needless to say there has been a run of thousands of new applicants wanting the permit and most counties are swamped processing them.
Of course law enforcement is pissed. Some counties refused to issue permits to citizens and now they have to.
I am a believer that if one is in a group of legal carrying citizens and someone tried to do something stupid, everyone else will stop it.
Law enforcement is having a cow about it because they see every citizen they interact with as a possible criminal.
What they are really afraid about is citizens putting an end to their violent bullshit. They don't like being outgunned by the people they police, or control.
 
That is not a true statement. I cherish my right to own a gun and that right is diminished without regulations in place to keep people who have lost that right from obtaining and carrying such guns.

This is a very false statement.Having lost the right to carry does not stop or impede a criminal from obtaining a gun.
 
This is a very false statement.Having lost the right to carry does not stop or impede a criminal from obtaining a gun.
I agree. I used to be a federally licensed firearms dealer. In my state, you had to have a buyers permit to buy only, or a concealed carry permit which was treated as the same. Both take 7+day to get and lasts for a year. CCP's are now good for five years here now.
I would need to see the permit, your valid ID, fill out required paperwork, and now do the instant background check thing. They didn't have that when I was in the business.
Then and only then could I sell, or transfer ownership, to the customer.
It is way easier to buy a weapon on the street from the trunk of someones car. Show them the money and you got your weapon. No ID, no permits needed, and no verification of age or criminal record needed.
The laws only effect those who follow them.
Fully automatic weapons are banned in my state other than for military, law enforcement, and those with the special license to sell them and they can only sell automatics to law enforcement and the military.
If I had the money I could get a fully automatic weapon in about five hours with the correct contacts.
It is way easier for criminals to access weapons than it is for the law abiding citizens.
 
Where I'm at they put blocks in the pistol mags so that they only hold 10rds. I feel so much safer now /sarcasm.
 
That felon in possession law will put you away for a long time and good luck trying to explain to a judge that it's your right to own a gun.
 
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