Controversial Bake Sale Highlights Racist College Policy

Jack Fate

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Despite allegations of being "purposefully offensive," a Republican student group in California will go ahead with plans to a hold a controversial bake sale on Tuesday in opposition of pending legislation that would allow universities to consider race, gender and ethnicity in the admissions process.

California Senate Bill 185, which was passed by the state Legislature and now awaits Gov. Jerry Brown's signature, would authorize the University of California and the California State University to consider those and "other relevant factors"during the admissions process.

If signed into law, S.B. 185 would be in direct opposition to Proposition 209, also known as the California Civil Rights Initiative, a ballot proposition approved in 1996 that amended the state's constitution to prohibit public institutions from considering race, sex or ethnicity during the admissions process.

Though Proposition 209 bans awarding admissions decisions based on race and ethnicity alone, S.B. 185 would allow admissions officials to view ethnicity as part of the student's background as a whole, Jesse Choper, a UC Berkeley law professor told The Daily Californian.

The bill would only authorize UC and CSU to consider race, gender, ethnicity and other factors in admissions decisions, but will not mandate them to do so, the newspaper reported.

Shawn Lewis, president of the Berkeley College Republicans, which is hosting the "Increase Diversity Bake Sale" at a campus plaza, said the event is intended to oppose any policy that treats one racial group different from another. The bake sale, which will be held just yards away from a phone bank event urging people to call Brown's office in support of the S.B. 185, will charge all white men $2 for cookies and other baked goods, while Asian men will be charged $1.50, Latino men will pay $1, black men 75 cents and Native Americans 25 cents. All women will receive 25 cents off those prices.

"After the UC Berkeley student government endorsed the bill, we decided a response was needed," Lewis wrote on the group's website. "Thus this bake sale was formulated ... If preferences based on skin color are ok [sic] for college admissions, they should be ok [sic] for other aspects of life. We agree that the event is inherently racist, but that is the point."

Lewis said the bake sale, which has led to threats and intimidation, is in direct response to the Associated Students of the University of California's sponsoring of a phone bank with a goal of more than 1,100 calls to Brown's office. It will be held from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. local time.

Evan Westrup, a spokesman for Gov. Brown, told FoxNews.com that the governor has not taken a stance on the bill and generally does not comment prior to taking action. He has until Oct. 9 to sign or veto the bill, Westrup said.
Meanwhile, University of California Student Association President Claudia Magana said having knowledge of an applicant's racial or ethnic background will allow university officials to make a "more informed" admission decision.

"UC students strongly support this bill, and we will be taking action to let the Governor know that we expect him to sign it," Magana said in a statement released on Monday.

S.B. 185 does not mandate quotas nor allows individuals of different ethnic groups to be held to different standards, said Magana, adding that it will also not repeal Proposition 209.

"SB 185 is an important step in the right direction," her statement continued. "In part because of the extensive institutional racism that persists in our state and nation, it is critical that our University is aware of the race of applicants, in order to fully understand and contextualize an individual's background and experiences."

Joey Freeman, external affairs vice president at UC Berkeley, said the bake sale does not further a "productive dialogue" and instead harms the campus climate.

"We welcome all students to participate in dialogue about the best ways for us to increase diversity and ensure that our University is accessible to all Californians," Freeman said in a statement. "Still, we hope that such dialogue can occur without purposefully offensive to specific groups on our campuses."

Neal McCluskey, an education analyst at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank based in Washington, said a "reasonable reading" of S.B. 185 would find it unconstitutional since the state bans discrimination to any individual or groups on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin in the "normal operation" of public employment, public education or public contracting.

"It certainly looks like it would be in violation of the state's constitution," McCluskey told FoxNews.com. "That said, I'm familiar enough with affirmative action and you can guess what their argument will be -- that this is part of 'normal and necessary' operations of public colleges and universities."

McCluskey said he's not surprised at the charged reactions on both sides of the issue.

"This has been a problem in this country for decades, centuries I should say, where distinctions made by government based on race, sexual orientation, gender and ethnicity, when a government sides one way or another based on one of their group identities, then it is hugely controversial because this is the government choosing winners and losers and not on merit," he said.

"And that completely flies in the face of the idea of the United States where individuals succeed or fail based on their own merits," he continued. "We shouldn't be shocked at all when this leads to constant conflict because nobody wants to end up on the losing side because they weren't born with the characteristics the government decides to favor."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/27/controversial-bake-sale-highlights-debate-on-bill-allowing-california-colleges/#ixzz1ZAxihMWZ
 

Jack Fate

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The Federal govt is racist when it picks winners and losers based on race. Go to the link at the bottom of the article and watch the video of the price list. The point is well made.
 

MuyLocoNC

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No, No you don't understand Jack, it's only racist when Conservatives use the exact same method to expose the inherent racism of policies like this. It's not racist when the Libs actually put those policies into action. That's when racism earns it's awesome new monicker... Social Justice.
 

UncleBuck

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you poor, poor persecuted white people.

if any of you wants to discuss how difficult your lives are or need a shoulder to cry on, i am here for you. as a fellow persecuted white male, i will understand.
 

UncleBuck

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this bill can benefit white folks everywhere.

it allows them to fully contextualize a student's experiences, so the admissions board can take into account for a white applicant certain things like netflix splitting into two (white person's worst nightmare) or facebook changing the feed (god save us).

i mean, just imagine if they put a special tax on the prius or banned 80's themed dinner parties or 'mad men' was canceled. i would certainly want the admissions board to consider the adversity that such things would cause me as a white person.

rough is life.
 

MuyLocoNC

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Yes, let's just mock the people that are exposing outright racism in legislation. Because racism is ONLY important if you have dark skin. The students who don't get accepted into these schools should just accept this garbage because EVERYONE knows that there aren't ANY underprivileged white kids living in this country, they all have rich folks and attend super awesome schools. I will say, they are probably better off going to school ANYWHERE outside California anyways, at least there's a chance they don't come out with a head full of liberal vomit.
 

UncleBuck

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Yes, let's just mock the people that are exposing outright racism in legislation. Because racism is ONLY important if you have dark skin. The students who don't get accepted into these schools should just accept this garbage because EVERYONE knows that there aren't ANY underprivileged white kids living in this country, they all have rich folks and attend super awesome schools. I will say, they are probably better off going to school ANYWHERE outside California anyways, at least there's a chance they don't come out with a head full of liberal vomit.
this allows for them to consider the experience of that underprivileged white kid.

poor thing, probably had to shop at wal mart while all of his friends shopped at target. that is exactly the type of thing i want the admissions board taking into consideration.

i mean, the poor kid probably only had super mario for his nintendo, couldn't afford the extra hardware needed to play duck hunt. these are the types of things that can scar a kid.
 

mame

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No, No you don't understand Jack, it's only racist when Conservatives use the exact same method to expose the inherent racism of policies like this. It's not racist when the Libs actually put those policies into action. That's when racism earns it's awesome new monicker... Social Justice.
Q Q

For the record, I dont really like race based policies either. Instead, I support policies and programs to help lift poor neighborhoods up as a whole(instead of focusing on an ethnic or racial group) - including but not limited to community organizing, financial aid programs for higher education, etc... The only time race should be addressed in anything is in cases of social or economic injustice - but school admissions shouldn't have anything to do with race, just personal merit... Just take the "race" box off of the application and have the process be blind, that'd ensure equality in admissions; While you're at it, do it for gender as well as any other applicant trait not relevent to their probability of success based of their merits.
 

Jack Fate

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Admissions should be based totally on academic tests and scores. Period. I believe the words of MLK. Judge people on the content of their character and not on the color of their skin.
 

mame

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Admissions should be based totally on academic tests and scores. Period. I believe the words of MLK. Judge people on the content of their character and not on the color of their skin.
Tests and scores shouldn't be the only factors and I'll give you an example of why... In HS I posted a low GPA because I slacked off but at the same time I did good on my tests (did both ACT and SAT). When I applied for school I was initially denied because my GPA was so low but I appealed with recomendations from my employer and a former teacher and I also had to go in and talk to some people at the school about it and I got accepted via the appeal.

As far as race/religion/sex being a factor? I disapprove.
 

MuyLocoNC

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this allows for them to consider the experience of that underprivileged white kid.

poor thing, probably had to shop at wal mart while all of his friends shopped at target. that is exactly the type of thing i want the admissions board taking into consideration.

i mean, the poor kid probably only had super mario for his nintendo, couldn't afford the extra hardware needed to play duck hunt. these are the types of things that can scar a kid.

I know it's fun to act like a complete asshat and all (not directly calling you one, wouldn't want my post deleted for something you do 50 times a day), but the problem with your argument is that with the exception of some scholarship recipients, any of the kids that might get preference because of their race, are most likely from affluent families that can afford to send their kids to college. Your entire argument falls on it's face and it leads us right back to a less deserving, well off kid getting accepted while a more deserving well off kid gets told to pound sand... because of his race.

My kid will be going to a local community college for his first two years whether he wants to or not, after he proves he can handle it, then he can transfer to a university of his choosing. I'm in NC so again I couldn't really give a hoot, but to deny the racism of such policies isn't good for anyone.

Edit: Might be the first time I've ever agreed with you mame.
 

Carne Seca

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any of the kids that might get preference because of their race, are most likely from affluent families that can afford to send their kids to college.
Most likely? In what universe? You're going to have to back that up with statistics. You're trying to invalidate UB's post with an assumption? The only one falling on their face is you.
 

Jack Fate

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I know it's fun to act like a complete asshat and all (not directly calling you one, wouldn't want my post deleted for something you do 50 times a day), but the problem with your argument is that with the exception of some scholarship recipients, any of the kids that might get preference because of their race, are most likely from affluent families that can afford to send their kids to college. Your entire argument falls on it's face and it leads us right back to a less deserving, well off kid getting accepted while a more deserving well off kid gets told to pound sand... because of his race.

My kid will be going to a local community college for his first two years whether he wants to or not, after he proves he can handle it, then he can transfer to a university of his choosing. I'm in NC so again I couldn't really give a hoot, but to deny the racism of such policies isn't good for anyone.

Edit: Might be the first time I've ever agreed with you mame.
Uncle Buck is the typical liberal. He is all for free speech.....as long as he agrees with it.
 

UncleBuck

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I know it's fun to act like a complete asshat and all (not directly calling you one, wouldn't want my post deleted for something you do 50 times a day), but the problem with your argument is that with the exception of some scholarship recipients, any of the kids that might get preference because of their race, are most likely from affluent families that can afford to send their kids to college. Your entire argument falls on it's face and it leads us right back to a less deserving, well off kid getting accepted while a more deserving well off kid gets told to pound sand... because of his race.

My kid will be going to a local community college for his first two years whether he wants to or not, after he proves he can handle it, then he can transfer to a university of his choosing. I'm in NC so again I couldn't really give a hoot, but to deny the racism of such policies isn't good for anyone.

Edit: Might be the first time I've ever agreed with you mame.
those poor white kids.

good thing they have such a strong advocate in you.

by the way, community college is high school with an ashtray.
 

UncleBuck

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i believe in looking at the totality of a candidate.

go ask any college admissions board. grades are not the best indicator of success or good fit.
 
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