Crohn's disease and Liver cirrhosis

Are there any caregivers out there that can recommend how to treat my Crohn's disease or liver cirrhosis with cannabis?

Ive never really considered any certain strains or ratios of cbd or thc but since my Crohn's disease is coming back on a very high dose of pharma im wondering if there's anything I can do.

Ive changed my diet to clean eating and exercise a lot now.

I usually smoke or make brownies, the latter being more beneficial but it is time consuming and stinks my building out. Im also limited to making my own products.

Thanks guys

Have you tried cold pressed oil? You need a cold press, (normally about $100), and access to lots of leaves, can easily be done with plants in near perma vegging.
You just chuck em in one side, the screw presses it out, and then you take like a drop a day. You could ingest 60X more cannabinoids in this way than you could smoke, plus it is not psychoactive, so you won't go around being all stoned. I'm not a fan of many pot extracts as I think they take away too much of what else is good, with the only benefit being standardising of dose. Who needs it with weed, just take more until it works.

Hey man. Sorry to hear about your predicament. Mine is similar. I was born prematurely with deformities in my colon and abdomen. I suffer very similar to Chrohns.

I find infused coconut oil eaten raw or baked into edibles is the best action. Combined with smoking to relieve stress and anxiety.

But I have read about "green dragon". Which may be your solution.

It is just high proof alcohol mixed in 1-1 with the buds and or trim. And then strained for the concentrate.

Dropped sublingually under the toungue it should have faster action and shorter duration than if it is swallowed and digested like edibles. Then about an hour to wait and longer duration.

I read you decarb and can just put the larf in a mason jar. Cover it with everclear or 151 rum. Etc. and let it sit in a dark place shaking and mixing around for a couple of weeks.

Then strain through coffee filter or cheesecloth.

Should offer the relief you seek by itself. (May burn under toungue). Or just figure out your dosage and put some drops in your food.

And they say for a good ride just do a shot.

No smell no real prep time. Hope this helps. Search "Green Dragon cannabis"

I just bought the rum to try this by the way.

ANC said:

Have you tried cold pressed oil? You need a cold press, (normally about $100), and access to lots of leaves, can easily be done with plants in near perma vegging.
You just chuck em in one side, the screw presses it out, and then you take like a drop a day. You could ingest 60X more cannabinoids in this way than you could smoke, plus it is not psychoactive, so you won't go around being all stoned. I'm not a fan of many pot extracts as I think they take away too much of what else is good, with the only benefit being standardising of dose. Who needs it with weed, just take more until it works.

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Never heard of this method but it sounds good! Is this the same method they use to make CBD oils? I can purchase those online here easily, they're a tad expensive though, and who doesn't have access to leaves?! Maybe I'll turn into a defoliator haha.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Hey man. Sorry to hear about your predicament. Mine is similar. I was born prematurely with deformities in my colon and abdomen. I suffer very similar to Chrohns.

I find infused coconut oil eaten raw or baked into edibles is the best action. Combined with smoking to relieve stress and anxiety.

But I have read about "green dragon". Which may be your solution.

It is just high proof alcohol mixed in 1-1 with the buds and or trim. And then strained for the concentrate.

Dropped sublingually under the toungue it should have faster action and shorter duration than if it is swallowed and digested like edibles. Then about an hour to wait and longer duration.

I read you decarb and can just put the larf in a mason jar. Cover it with everclear or 151 rum. Etc. and let it sit in a dark place shaking and mixing around for a couple of weeks.

Then strain through coffee filter or cheesecloth.

Should offer the relief you seek by itself. (May burn under toungue). Or just figure out your dosage and put some drops in your food.

And they say for a good ride just do a shot.

No smell no real prep time. Hope this helps. Search "Green Dragon cannabis"

I just bought the rum to try this by the way.

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I had hoped you'd chime in! I'll check out what you said!

Sounds like a fun experiment you got there. Let me know how it turns out?
Ive been smoking with a mango and coconut water drink which seems to increase potency but I haven't noticed any relief in my symptoms as yet, I did make brownies using a vegan recipe decarbing with vegetable oil, I'll give coconut oil a go too next time! Saying that thought my pain is minimal, I just experience the rushing to the bathroom in the morning, and several times after that.

With the 1:1 ratio, is that for instance, 20grams of bud to 20ml of alcohol?

Would there be an alternative to alcohol, only because drinking alcohol usually affects my bowel badly anyway, I haven't drunk for about 6-7 years.

No, there are many ways to get cannabinoids out of a plant, some are very selective in what they take out, others like cold pressing will give you all the goodness. You can use leaves, flower and roots.

Yes, there are plants with different CBD profiles, but I think a lot of focus on this is purely for economical reasons or monetising the medicinal properties that virtually any weed plant has. Apart from the purchase of a small press, this is the cheapest long-term medical way of using it. And probably the most beneficial.

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No, there are many ways to get cannabinoids out of a plant, some are very selective in what they take out, others like cold pressing will give you all the goodness. You can use leaves, flower and roots.

Yes, there are plants with different CBD profiles, but I think a lot of focus on this is purely for economical reasons or monetising the medicinal properties that virtually any weed plant has. Apart from the purchase of a small press, this is the cheapest long-term medical way of using it. And probably the most beneficial.

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I'll give it a go, im down for trying anything.. I don't want to have surgery

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JDMase said:

I had hoped you'd chime in! I'll check out what you said!

Sounds like a fun experiment you got there. Let me know how it turns out?
Ive been smoking with a mango and coconut water drink which seems to increase potency but I haven't noticed any relief in my symptoms as yet, I did make brownies using a vegan recipe decarbing with vegetable oil, I'll give coconut oil a go too next time! Saying that thought my pain is minimal, I just experience the rushing to the bathroom in the morning, and several times after that.

With the 1:1 ratio, is that for instance, 20grams of bud to 20ml of alcohol?

Would there be an alternative to alcohol, only because drinking alcohol usually affects my bowel badly anyway, I haven't drunk for about 6-7 years.

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We are talking about very little alcohol. Like milliliters for dosing.

And I just mean the liquid would just cover the buds or trim in the jar. It isn't very scientific. The alcohol dissolves the trichomes and you are just straining out the concentrate.

And making coconut oil infusion is exactly like butter except the amount. I forget the conversion but it is standard for baking. I think 1/2 cup equals a stick of butter.

Mrs MMG handles the baking. Lol.

Also. Online cbd oil is more likely miss than hit. And cbd heavy plants are hard to come by and get a good pheno that matches the stats described.

However. I believe the way to relief is to broadcast a full range of canabanoids to hope to find the balance your body needs often enough.

I use multiple strains in our edible coconut oil for this reason. I don't have a lab so I spam the illness with tons of different pot basically. But it works.

If you eat some oil everyday. Even a small dose that doesn't impair your senses. You will build tolerance and be able to handle a dose that may stop your discomfort.

And if you do it everyday it is known that some people heal and just don't have their disease, cancer, syndrome etc. anymore.

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We are talking about very little alcohol. Like milliliters for dosing.

And I just mean the liquid would just cover the buds or trim in the jar. It isn't very scientific. The alcohol dissolves the trichomes and you are just straining out the concentrate.

And making coconut oil infusion is exactly like butter except the amount. I forget the conversion but it is standard for baking. I think 1/2 cup equals a stick of butter.

Mrs MMG handles the baking. Lol.

Also. Online cbd oil is more likely miss than hit. And cbd heavy plants are hard to come by and get a good pheno that matches the stats described.

However. I believe the way to relief is to broadcast a full range of canabanoids to hope to find the balance your body needs often enough.

I use multiple strains in our edible coconut oil for this reason. I don't have a lab so I spam the illness with tons of different pot basically. But it works.

If you eat some oil everyday. Even a small dose that doesn't impair your senses. You will build tolerance and be able to handle a dose that may stop your discomfort.

And if you do it everyday it is known that some people heal and just don't have their disease, cancer, syndrome etc. anymore.

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Excellent stuff, I hadn't considered the small doses of alcohol, makes sense! Excuse my ignorance.

Should I be growing CBD strains only? Or do normal high thc strains have benefits too? I only ask as I have green crack CBD and everything im growing now are low CBD, which as I said before works great for my pain but not so much for my illness activity.

ANC said:

No, there are many ways to get cannabinoids out of a plant, some are very selective in what they take out, others like cold pressing will give you all the goodness. You can use leaves, flower and roots.

Yes, there are plants with different CBD profiles, but I think a lot of focus on this is purely for economical reasons or monetising the medicinal properties that virtually any weed plant has. Apart from the purchase of a small press, this is the cheapest long-term medical way of using it. And probably the most beneficial.

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I agree with some of what you are saying but roots have no canabanoids and fan leaves in veg have very little. There is evidence that juicing them has benefits though.

No trichomes. No canabanoids. And cbd alone doesn't cure much. It just happens to be the canabanoid that stopped seizures in a little girl and started all this.

MS patients for instance require high thc doses for relief.

Just remember you are aiming for 600mg of unactivated THC per day. Smoking, vaping or eating that much activated, will put a rhino to sleep.

@MichiganMedGrower watch the video.

JDMase said:

Excellent stuff, I hadn't considered the small doses of alcohol, makes sense! Excuse my ignorance.

Should I be growing CBD strains only? Or do normal high thc strains have benefits too? I only ask as I have green crack CBD and everything im growing now are low CBD, which as I said before works great for my pain but not so much for my illness activity.

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As I have said. I need complex canabanoids for relief. You should research your specific illness and what has worked for patients. Tons of info here and all over the web.

I am no doctor. My brother went that route. I don't want to give misinformation.

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Just remember you are aiming for 600mg of unactivated THC per day. Smoking, vaping or eating that much activated, will put a rhino to sleep.

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Isnt that to reduce tumors?

ANC said:

Just remember you are aiming for 600mg of unactivated THC per day. Smoking, vaping or eating that much activated, will put a rhino to sleep.

@MichiganMedGrower watch the video.

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I will do that. But I have been studying this stuff for quite a few years now. Mrs. MMG has had her cysts reduced over 50% from our oil alone. No other medical treatment had worked for her whole life. Including commercial and local dispensary cbd oil.

Like you said above. They are marketing the stuff. And before major testing has even been legal.

ANC said:

Just remember you are aiming for 600mg of unactivated THC per day. Smoking, vaping or eating that much activated, will put a rhino to sleep.

@MichiganMedGrower watch the video.

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The just watched and have seen it before. I mentioned juicing above. The doctor in the vid says very clearly. Juicing raw cannabis has many benefits but he does not consider it medicine. He considers it a preventative. He does not recommend it if someone is already very sick. He then explains about man activating thc and cbd and that that is medicine.

This is because he is a doctor and there is no cause of action proven on the raw thc acid.

I worked in natural medicine and most of the natural medications are like this. Some people report well. Some feel nothing.

I agree it is probably a good idea for our immune system but I sure wouldn't be trying to melt cysts that way.

And the girl is being interviewed by the video maker. Not the doctor. They are unrelated. It is propaganda a bit that way.

But I hope you see I am open to anything that will help us feel better or stay away from our badly failing health care system.

http://hightimes.com/medicinal/beating-crohns-disease-a-cannabis-journey/

This suggests that 60mg of CBD cured and reversed somebodies Crohn's, but I fear that it is an example of marketing to sell a book. I agree with mixing a range of different strains to get as many profiles as possible.

Incidentally I watched a vice clip from a medical marijuana lab and they claimed that one strain gives the best results in terms of consistency, which I get when you're running a business. I think if you're making your own meds you don't need to worry about being sued because your new batch is much stronger than the previous, you never know who's taking it.

Either way I have no way of quantifying what I make is 60mg of CBD? Unless im missing something. I could for instance make that alcohol concoction and dose 60mg but thay woukdnt be 60mg of just CBD would it? The CBD would just be a %?

Great discussion guys. Thanks for all your help, means a lot.

Not just for that, it is the general daily dose from a nutritional standpoint.

Remember there are 91 essential your body needs, plants have about 6.
60 of those nutrients are minerals, which you get mostly from the soil via the plants you eat.
Or should I say you are supposed to get, as farmers are only worried about supplying the essential ones to the plants.
Your body needs it, your whole body is basically covered in THC receptors.

Chrons is a bastard though, as you say, some people have good luck with pure CBD oil, I would get seeds from a CBD-rich plant and start with those.

People are going to monetize the shit out of it, I also think it is better as a preventative, but give it a shot for two months and see how you feel. Part of it is reprehensible and part of it is normalising the consumption of cannabis, certainly a dual edged sword.

JDMase said:

http://hightimes.com/medicinal/beating-crohns-disease-a-cannabis-journey/

This suggests that 60mg of CBD cured and reversed somebodies Crohn's, but I fear that it is an example of marketing to sell a book. I agree with mixing a range of different strains to get as many profiles as possible.

Incidentally I watched a vice clip from a medical marijuana lab and they claimed that one strain gives the best results in terms of consistency, which I get when you're running a business. I think if you're making your own meds you don't need to worry about being sued because your new batch is much stronger than the previous, you never know who's taking it.

Either way I have no way of quantifying what I make is 60mg of CBD? Unless im missing something. I could for instance make that alcohol concoction and dose 60mg but thay woukdnt be 60mg of just CBD would it? The CBD would just be a %?

Great discussion guys. Thanks for all your help, means a lot.

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No you can't be sure. This is the problem we face. And why I do what I do.

many make concentrates and then make less strong doses with that in hopes of controlling milligrams. Like making dabs and then cutting it into coconut oil knowing you are close to 100% canabanoids at least as a baseline. They make capsules measured out for dosing this way.

Also I plant a different seed or strain every week. So we have constant variety. if I end up with too much tolerance I get no relief. Just like pain killers unfortunately. But getting high is what I need. To get past the problems.

And I would not have stopped at high times. It is ad driven.

Good luck JD

assume a size 00 gelcap is 1000 mg...
1 gram equals 1000 mg.

take 39 mg coconut oil to 1mg of oil ..mix together .gives you a 40:1 mixture or

40 divided by 1000 = 25 mgs / cap
hope that helps

gb123 said:

assume a size 00 gelcap is 1000 mg...
1 gram equals 1000 mg.

take 39 mg coconut oil to 1mg of oil ..mix together .gives you a 40:1 mixture or

40 divided by 1000 = 25 mgs / cap
hope that helps

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Is this the formula the guy in the video uses? Ive been searching for his dosages, would love to chat with him. My Crohn's is perianal, fairly difficult to treat, so im hoping dosages are similar throughout the disease.