December 21, 2012. Doomsday?

So how many of you believe this could be a huge event or just another day?

For those who dont know about this topic, ive been watching a few programs on this subject and what it breaks down to is the ancient Mayans had a very deep understanding of time and astrology, they came up with a system of measuring time and a calender that is (amazingly) MORE accurate than our calender today! and this calender ends at the date 12-21-2012, they believed this was doomsday.

there was also a high priest, shaman, healer, whatever who accurately (scary accurate) predicted many major events in our history ( American Revolution, Civil war, LIncoln assassination, world wars, 9/11 to name a few) he warns against doomsday.

The mayans are not the only ones to have believed this, the ancient chinese were aware of this date as well, the I Ching predicts it.

Also, to put a physical meaning to the date, an astronomical event is to take place that day, one that happens every 26,000 years. The gravitational center of the milky way (looking at the milky way from the side) will line up with the earth and sun causeing a "wobble" in the earths rotational axis. Scientists arent 100% sure what this might cause to happen. the axis might stick causeing the ice caps to melt and the seasons to change, or unleash earthquakes, cause eruptions, all kinds of crazy shit might happen!

What do all think?

I think your scaring me.....LOL

i didnt kno how deep this went. sounds relatively legit to me, no reason to completely disregard it as foolishness. 4 1/2 yrs of partying left!

I'll be sure to get extremely high before that day comes.

NO GROW said:

I think your scaring me.....LOL

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it does make you think thats for sure! i personally dont think it will be an extinction but i do think something major is to happen around or on that date. a "new world" is supposed to emerge, but not a good one

these predictions were called "Katun"s and the name of the guy was Chilam Balam, if you want to do some reaserch

Well thats the Divine Mill...always turning...in flux. There are maps/charts of the Antartic that show it as a green lush land with rivers all over the place. Now....all that is under 1 mile of ice.

Ive read that every 26,000 years our planet's poles switch. Hot temperate areas become ice capped...and vice versa. So there may be some truth to "something happening" soon.

I dont think it will be the end of anything. Life will go on. Alot people will perish...but to say its the end of the world is rubbish IMO. If the 26,000 year cycle theory is true....we all wouldnt be here right now if it were a "end of the world" event.

OK heres the deal. Dec 21, 2012--the day that the Mayan calendar comes to a very abrupt end. Lots of speculation on this. There are a number of theories about what is going to happen on this day. I will start with the most popular first:

1. On this day the earth, the sun, and the exact center of the galaxy will be in perfect alignment. There is no doubt about this as it has been scientifically proven. The question is, how will this affect us? Some scientists say, since the discovery that there is a black hole in the center of every galaxy, that the gravitational strain of this alignment will demolish the magnetic field around the earth, thus destroying our atmosphere. The effects of this would be cataclysmic. No more oxygen (or any gas for that matter),also no more protection from the harmful radiation of the sun.

2. Sun storms---The sun changes its rotation every 11 years. The most violent sun storms occur every 2nd rotation shift. So basically every 22 years the sun has some hellacious sun storms, or solar flares. This has been happening since the suns birth, so no big deal right.....wrong. The next cycle in the suns rotation is due in Dec 2012. The reason this time is different, and that we have never been effected before is once again due to how the Earth and sun are lined up. Never before have we taken a direct hit from a solar flare, but this time we will. The spot on the sun that will produce these storms will be in exact alignment with Earth. Think of it like this: prop a globe on a post and shoot at it with a 12 gauge birdshot, it will not be effected every time, but it only takes one good hit to really fuck it up. Scientists theorize that this direct hit from a solar flare will spin the earth so severely that Europe will be located at the equator when it is over.

3. The Mayan calendar----This was and still is the most precise calendar ever invented by man. In fact to this day, it is even more accurate than the current calendar in use. The Mayans believed that time is cyclical, and not linear. In other words things repeat themselves in cycles. There are three stages to it; the first has a cycle of 266 days, the second has a cycle of 365 days, and unfortunately I cannot remember the third. Anyway, the Myan calendar is based off of a cycle that starts over every 5125 years. This is the time it takes the Earth to complete one full "wobble" on its axis. Now the Mayans say that on this day our gods will return to earth to collect and mine more resources for their planet. Even now, in the last few years, when the sun sets on the Mayan temples, the shadow that is cast upon the temple is that of a serpent descending from heaven. They even put snakes heads at the bottom of the temple stairs to coincide with this. Even though I am a firm believer in aliens, I don't think this will happen. I think the Mayans just had a very sophisticated sense of astronomy, and once the Earth completes its wobble, the whole process just starts over again.

I hope we are right Bloodshot, and time will move on, but you never know. I doubt we will be invaded by aliens, but there may be something to those scientific theories!!!!!

Don't worry too much about it. Worry is interest paid on a debt you may never owe. Remember Y2K??

BaySmoke408 said:

these predictions were called "Katun"s and the name of the guy was Chilam Balam, if you want to do some reaserch

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Very good Baysmoke, you've done your homework. Dec 21, 2012 is supposed to be the end of the 4th katune and the beggining of the 5th which is supposed to be the last, and the most catastrophic.

Erniedytn said:

Well well well Bloodshot----looks like I have you delving into the supernatural now!

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LOL...Now hold on E...Dont sign me up just yet. The 26,000 year cycle is something proven. You know my thoughts on our "friends" from far far away.

Im just a firm believer in balance in life...good/bad light/dark hot/cold etc. Things stay in balance. The laws of the Universe. Too much of any one thing and thats it....so I doubt that will happen.

With that thinking...I also disagree that humans can do anything to cause the destruction of the Earth as we know it. Yes...we can make changes...but within that balance.

The earth is alive...a living breathing....whatever you wanna call it. We are like fleas on a dog's back. The earth will never let the fleas ruin everything. A shake (Earthquake) here and there or a good bathing (flood) will bring us fleas back in line. And the way the world looks....its time for one of the two to happen.

Yeah about that comment---when I first seen this thread I thought you were the author!!! I was mistaken..lol I mistook the last post for being the author. I edited that out of my post as I now realise that Baysmoke is the author

I showed this to my girl and now she's mad that she can't celebrate her b-day in 2012.......DEC. 21

If that day is her birthday she might celebrate it like never before!!!!!

Erniedytn said:

Very good Baysmoke, you've done your homework. Dec 21, 2012 is supposed to be the end of the 4th katune and the beggining of the 5th which is supposed to be the last, and the most catastrophic.

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thanks man, well before i start a topic i feel like i should know to some extent what the hell im talking about!

the mayan calender resets (not coincidentally) every 26,000 years called the precession of the equinox, which breaks down to what we call a "long count" which is 1/5 of an equinox.(5,125 years) we are in the final long count which began August 11, 3114 BC ending in, you guessed it 12/21/2012

the long count is broken into 13ths(394 years) called Baktuns.
20ths (256 years broken into 13 Katuns) sometimes refered to as the short count held great significance.
and 260ths (19.7 years/or 7200 days) called a Katun

the "short counts" were significant because that was thier prophecy scale, all the prophecies dates use this 13 Katun cycle. and, like Ernie said, each Katun period has some general "mood" so to say:

Katun 11 Ahau. Niggard is the katun; scanty are its rains . . . misery.
Katun 9 Ahau. Drought, famine.
Katun 7 Ahau. Carnal sin. roguish rulers.
Katun 5 Ahau Harsh his face, harsh his tidings.
Katun 3 Ahau. Rains of little profit, locusts, fighting.
Katun 1 Ahau. The evil katun.
Katun 12 Ahau. The katun is good.
Katun 10 Ahau Drought is the charge of the katun.
Katun 8 Ahau. There is an end of greed; there is an end to causing vexation . . . much fighting
Katun 6 Ahau. Shameless is his speech.
Katun 4 Ahau. The Quetzal shall come . . . Kukulcan shall come.
Katun 2 Ahau. For half the katun there will be bread; for half the katun there will be water.
Katun 13 Ahau There is no lucky day for us.


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Actually I was wrong about 1 thing. The five periods of time were not called katuns but something else, unfortunately I cant remember the exact term.Baysmoke...a little help? The mayans predicted only 5 total. This will indeed be the end of the fourth period and the beginning of the fifth. The katuns were the cycling periods that repeated themselves, and like in the previous post by Baysmoke, had very distinct characteristics about them. We are on the verge of katune #4 which is a very troubled and catastrophic time.

I'll say this...I wont give any backing to what The Mayans believed. I'll give them credit for being able to get a grip on Astronomy. No easy feat. But they were just one of many to do so.

They picked up on cyclic changes of the cosmos and thats about it. If they could accurately predict the end of the world....they should have been able to predict the arrival of the Spanish....and took steps to deal with them before they got there.

Props for keeping an eye to the sky though.

But did they (The Mayans) actually predict that date as the end of the world.....Or was that the last date found on their calendars and people interpreted it as "their end of the world"?

The mayans DID predict that the spaniards would come, but they thought of these events as greater than themselves and they believed there was nothing they could do about it.

and yes the mayans specifically refer to this date as a huge turning point, a judgemant day. but there are predictions for after this date, meaning they obviously thought some would survive.

they always have shows on this topic on Discovery, see if you can catch one, and if you have On demand see if there are any shows.

BaySmoke408 said:

The mayans DID predict that the spaniards would come, but they thought of these events as greater than themselves and they believed there was nothing they could do about it.

and yes the mayans specifically refer to this date as a huge turning point, a judgemant day. but there are predictions for after this date, meaning they obviously thought some would survive.

they always have shows on this topic on Discovery, see if you can catch one, and if you have On demand see if there are any shows.

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He's right. They did predict many of the events that changed the course of history; and with scary accuracy. They also predicted the pilgrims arriving in New England and the founding of the United States. They thought these changes would come anyway no matter what they did, so therefore they took no action.

The only thing that is strange is the period of time they dissapeared with no explanation. I don't remember exact dates (error: memory loss) but I do know that it was roughly 100 years that they vanished, or rather there is no trace of them in this period. Then they returned as a lower class of people, unlike their previous way of life.

Believe it or not I do not think the alien references have much clout; with regards to their returning and all. But I do think that they are on to something here, and although this is there predicted day of judgement for us all, life will go on, and we will continue to exist afterwards.

Everyone can name someone or some people that appeared to predict things...but in reality....what difference has it made? The Mayans are a perfect example.

Where has any of their "predictions" come into play with people avoiding some catastrophe or benefiting from "pre-knowledge" of an event? Like most times...hindsight is 20/20.

Can I get the scoop on some major event that should happen BEFORE this world disintergrates? I'd like to capitalize and make some $$$ before it all goes to crap.

BloodShotI'z said:

Everyone can name someone or some people that appeared to predict things...but in reality....what difference has it made? The Mayans are a perfect example.

Where has any of their "predictions" come into play with people avoiding some catastrophe or benefiting from "pre-knowledge" of an event? Like most times...hindsight is 20/20.

Can I get the scoop on some major event that should happen BEFORE this world disintergrates? I'd like to capitalize and make some $$$ before it all goes to crap.

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Actually I don't put much faith in their exact pedictions, my faith lies in the fact that their calendar is so accurate. Then factor in all the scientific hypothesis about the other celestial happenings, and once again its kinda hard to ignore. However I am not going to trouble myself with worrying about this date because thats just not me. I can't do anything about it.

Perhaps this is why no ones predictions are ever heeded? How can you actually know if a prediction is true until it comes to pass?