DIY: 4-pin PL-L Lighting for Veg

yankeegreen

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I am in the process of building out a new Veg room and was originally going to go with the MH, HID lighting During some discussion on another thread a fellow RIU member suggested I give PL-L lighting a look and after doing some research I decided that it has great potential for vegging applications. Hopefully this will help someone else out there.

Pros:
- Relatively cool
- Variety of power output (watts)
- Variety of color temperatures (*K)
- Straight-tube delivery
- Driven by external ballast
- Approaches HID lighting for lumen/watt
- Allows a highly configurable lighting array

Cons:
- Primarily a DIY endeavor to build fixtures
- Cost is slightly higher watt-for-watt than HID options
- Not as efficient as HID lighting

Ok, so on with the build.

I ordered bulbs, sockets and ballasts from www.1000bulbs.com, wire nuts from the local hardware store and had 16 gauge copper wire laying around but this could also be purchased at the hardware store. In addition to the lighting hardware you will need wire cutters, a drill, drill bits, hacksaw/jigsaw, eye hooks, power cord from a dead appliance, cord for hanging fixtures and some material for reflectors. I made one set of reflectors out of 1/4" plywood and scrap wood and another set out of old shop lights that I cannibalized.

So electrical wiring is terrifying for some people, but really isn't that tough. You just have to make sure you always work with wires that are unplugged from a power source, do not leave any bare wires exposed, double check your wiring before plugging it in and DOUBLE CHECK YOUR WIRING BEFORE PLUGGING IT IN!

Here is a straight forward wiring of a plug, ballast, PL-L socket (2G11) and PL-L lamp. Ignore the extra red and blue wires in the first photo - they are not used ;-)

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First, strip about 1/2-3/4" of the black and white wire coming out of the ballast. This is the hot power (black) and neutral (white) wires. Next, strip the wires from the power chord.

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Twist the black wire from the ballast to one of the stripped wires from the power chord. it doesn't matter which one. Then twist the white wire to the other stripped power cord wire. Use wire caps to lock the splice together and cover the exposed wires.

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Now strip the yellow wire and one of the red wires from the ballast. Note, this is just how the Fulham Workhorse 5 is wired - other manufacturers may have different wires/colors but the concept is the same - one of the wires has power, the other is neutral.

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Now insert the red wire into the last hole on one side of the socket and the yellow wire into the last hole on the other side of the socket. Note also with certain socket/ballast combinations it may be necessary or recommended (for redundancy) to wire a pair of holes on each side of the socket and/or to jump one or more of the holes. Always refer to the manufacturer's wiring diagram and/or use their technical service if you have any doubt.

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That's the basics - now just check all the wiring and if it looks good, plug it in

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So for my setup, I made a set of reflectors using a couple of old 4' shop lights that no longer worked. First I disassembled them taking out all electrical components and wiring. Apologies for some blur in the pics.

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Next, mark and cut the reflectors to the appropriate size for the bulb being used - I used one reflector per 55w bulb in this case.

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I then cut some 1/4" scrap plywood to fit inside the reflector and some scrap 1/2" scrap plywood to keep the reflector stiff (unnecessary) and for something to screw the eye hooks into. The 1/4" plywood is then notched to mount the socket and painted flat white.

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Next I cut a hole to mount the lamp support (small plastic clip) which is unnecessary but helps distribute the weight of the lamp.

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Now wire up the socket, insert the lamp into the socket. Mount the socket to the reflector by drilling a small hole through each of the mounting holes in the socket through the plywood and through the reflector. Drill a pair of holes on the far end of the reflector at this point as well. Use small machine screws and nuts (hardware store) to lock it all together.

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Flip over the reflector, drill a couple of starter holes through the top of the reflector and twist in a couple of eye hooks for hanging.

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That's it! ready for final wiring (back to the top of the post!), hanging and vegging. Here are a couple of shots of the lamps hung in my veg room. Total lumen output is ~19,200 or 3200 lum sq/ft. May sound low, but useful lumens is very high since I will be able to get the lamps just an inch or two from the plant! If I find it is not enough I can always reconfigure the reflectors and double the lamps in each one!

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And here are a couple of totally home made reflectors mounted directly to the bottom of a higher shelf. They are lower wattage and intended for new seedling, clones and moms. Figure I can raise the plants/trays to the light when necessary to increase lumens as appropriate. Total of 9,400 total lumen or 1,200 lum sq/ft on the left side of the shelf and ~2,000 lum sq/ft on the right.

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Well I hope that helps at least one person out there! Happy growing.
 

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TechnoMage

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That's exactly the type of bulb I use. I made myself a 3 bulb hood but I'm trying to figure out how to fit another 2-bulbs in there. I use a mix of 6500k and 3000k bulbs. Thing I liked most about them was that they would fit length wise in a cheap 24" wide Home Depot cabinet. You lose 1.5" for the thickness of your sides so a standard 24" T5HO fixture is to wide. How long are your bulbs? You said you used 4' shop light fixtures and the bulbs seem to go end to end.
 

yankeegreen

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That's exactly the type of bulb I use. I made myself a 3 bulb hood but I'm trying to figure out how to fit another 2-bulbs in there. I use a mix of 6500k and 3000k bulbs. Thing I liked most about them was that they would fit length wise in a cheap 24" wide Home Depot cabinet. You lose 1.5" for the thickness of your sides so a standard 24" T5HO fixture is to wide. How long are your bulbs? You said you used 4' shop light fixtures and the bulbs seem to go end to end.
The 55w bulbs are about 21" long. Each shop-light reflector was cut to make 2-23" reflectors. Like the fact that they are nearly 2x brighter than T5HO. How is your setup working for you? Got a pic?
 

TechnoMage

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I've been very happy with them. Those 55w bulbs are the ones I use. Here's a couple shots of my current light.
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Top view showing the ballast

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Bottom view showing the three bulbs. Easy to see which ones are 6500k and which are 3000k.
 

MYOB

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I use PL-L's. Careful with distance to the plants. They are much more intense than t5's or CFL's and can cause damage if too close. More like HID's than fluorescents. I keep mine about at least 12" away. I am getting very short, stocky growth with tight nodal spacing.

This has inspired me to try working on one. I have a "blind" spot that I'd like to fill with another 2 bulb PL fixture.

thanks
 

yankeegreen

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I use PL-L's. Careful with distance to the plants. They are much more intense than t5's or CFL's and can cause damage if too close. More like HID's than fluorescents. I keep mine about at least 12" away. I am getting very short, stocky growth with tight nodal spacing.

This has inspired me to try working on one. I have a "blind" spot that I'd like to fill with another 2 bulb PL fixture.

thanks

Thanks for stopping by and for the distance tip. My first seedlings under the 2 x 35W lights are showing what appears to be moisture stress, but I am pretty confident that their watering has been right on. I backed them the lights off ~2" yesterday but sounds like I should go even further!

Good luck on the fixture build!
 

MYOB

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You can put them close once the plants are a little more established. I have the light a few inches away from 5 week old plants now and they seem to be enjoying it.
 

yankeegreen

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You can put them close once the plants are a little more established. I have the light a few inches away from 5 week old plants now and they seem to be enjoying it.
Backing the lights of did the trick and i have since moved them a bit closer again. The sativa doms seem to like more intensity and the indica doms less How many watts are you running MYOB, what strains and how many sets of leaves on your plants? Still trying to get the new lighting dialed in.
 

yankeegreen

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Just thought I'd update with a couple picks the shelves in use. Once I adjusted distance for the increased light intensity, growth under these lights has been fantastic!


Nursery shelf (Wayyyyy too close to these lights!)

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Vegging shelf just after transplant to 1 gal pots.

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AdamBlack760

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my understanding of pll are that they are t5's that a "folded" over so i can see how they would be better that 2ft 2bulb t5 at 48 watts. how would this replace my 4ft 8 blub over my 2x4 tray?
 

yankeegreen

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my understanding of pll are that they are t5's that a "folded" over so i can see how they would be better that 2ft 2bulb t5 at 48 watts. how would this replace my 4ft 8 blub over my 2x4 tray?
I am not an expert on pll lighting by any means but my conceptual understanding of pll is similar. They are nearly twice as efficient as HO t5 because they are "folded" as you say (really two connected tubes) providing twice the intensity for a given length. If you already have a functional 4 x 2, 8 bulb t5 I don't know that there is a real benefit to replacing it with pll. When I was designing my veg space I chose PL-L because it provided me high intensity lighting, short bulb lengths, flexibility in constructing multiple reflectors that could be height-adjusted independently and ability to use different wattage bulbs driven by a single ballast.
 

PurpleBuz

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Pros:
- Relatively cool
- Variety of power output (watts)
- Variety of color temperatures (*K)
- Straight-tube delivery
- Driven by external ballast
- Approaches HID lighting for lumen/watt
- Allows a highly configurable lighting array

Cons:
- Primarily a DIY endeavor to build fixtures
- Cost is slightly higher watt-for-watt than HID options
- Not as efficient as HID lighting

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How do they compare to a good set of T5 HOs ? Whats the advantage?
Seems to me that since they are essentially the same technology with a different tube shape (PLs come in T5 sizing as well) and T5HOs are pure straight single tubes amenable to optimized reflectors, that the HOs would be slightly more efficient.
 

yankeegreen

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How do they compare to a good set of T5 HOs ? Whats the advantage?
Seems to me that since they are essentially the same technology with a different tube shape (PLs come in T5 sizing as well) and T5HOs are pure straight single tubes amenable to optimized reflectors, that the HOs would be slightly more efficient.
Lumens / watt, PL-Ls actually have an edge over T5HO. In a small space like a cab where space is at a premium, I can get two PL-Ls side-by-side in the same space I can get three t5s, which is ~30% more lumens for the footprint. High grade (95% efficient) reflectors are available but pricey. Once installed however, watt-for-watt there is not much functional difference - dealers choice.
 

PurpleBuz

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Lumens / watt, PL-Ls actually have an edge over T5HO. In a small space like a cab where space is at a premium, I can get two PL-Ls side-by-side in the same space I can get three t5s, which is ~30% more lumens for the footprint. High grade (95% efficient) reflectors are available but pricey. Once installed however, watt-for-watt there is not much functional difference - dealers choice.
Are you confusing lumens\watt ie efficiency with lumens in a square foot? I haven't seen any data anywhere that PLs have a higher delivered efficiency than T5 HOs.
 

yankeegreen

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Are you confusing lumens\watt ie efficiency with lumens in a square foot? I haven't seen any data anywhere that PLs have a higher delivered efficiency than T5 HOs.
Sorry for your confusion. In terms of efficiency I was referring specifically to lumens/watt but memory did not serve me well - the slight edge goes to T5HO which has ~3% higher initial lumen in an apples-to-apples comparison (as if there is such a thing - data sample below). When I did my initial research on PL-L lighting, I primarily based my comparisons on HID not T5 so apologies. My understanding is that lumens are measured by light readings all around the bulb. My guess is that the PL-L loss in efficiency is primarily where the two bulbs face each other.

I grabbed specs for comparable 24w, 3500k T5HO & PL-L bulbs manufactured by Sylvania.


T5HO
Brand : SYLVANIA
Wattage : 24 Watt
Bulb Type : F24T5
Color Temperature : 3500K
CRI : 85
Length : 22.2 in.
Life Hours : 20,000
Lumens (Initial) : 2000
Lumens (Mean) : 1860




PLL:
Brand : SYLVANIA
Wattage : 24 Watt
Base Type : 2G11
Color Temperature : 3500K
CRI : 82
Length: 12.9 in.
Life Hours : 12,000
Lumens (Initial) : 1800
 

PurpleBuz

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Sorry for your confusion. In terms of efficiency I was referring specifically to lumens/watt but memory did not serve me well - the slight edge goes to T5HO which has ~3% higher initial lumen in an apples-to-apples comparison (as if there is such a thing - data sample below). When I did my initial research on PL-L lighting, I primarily based my comparisons on HID not T5 so apologies. My understanding is that lumens are measured by light readings all around the bulb. My guess is that the PL-L loss in efficiency is primarily where the two bulbs face each other.
so the primary advantage for PL bulbs over T5 HOs is the ability to put more tubes in a smaller area ? and not luemn\watt efficiency.

Next DIY project might be a T5 HO retro kit with parabolic reflectors so we can squeeze the tubes as close together.
 

yankeegreen

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I don't know that I would say there is an advantage one way or the other. I thought I would take the leap and try something new and haven't been disappointed.

Let me know how your DIY goes.
 

TechnoMage

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I use them because my veg cab is only 24" wide but with PL bulbs I can essentially squeeze the lumens of a standard 48 T5HO into that space. I've got over 14k lumens in a 15"x24" space and am looking to bump it to 19k or 24k lumens.
 

MYOB

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more (& smaller) tubes and less heat in smaller area = more lumens, smaller profile and less heat with remote ballasts.
 
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