DIY COB light was working great.... then failed. Why?

chooKcha

Active Member
Hi All,
I recently completed a harvest and results were great. My DIY cob light has been functioning flawlessly the entire time. Yesterday, the light was functioning normally. Today, 1 light bar is out completely, the other two are flickering and drawing a measly 70 watts combined.

I'm confused as to what the problem is. I thought I was under driving these for efficiency; temps seemed fine- I could touch heatsink comfortably but it was warm. Wiring looked fine. I am using simple WAGO connectors for wiring. Why would all three heatsinks fail at the same time, in two different ways?

Details:
I have 18 CXB3590 cobs mounted to 3 heatsinks that are ~1.25"x6"x36". Each grouping of 6 cobs on a heatsink is supplied power from a Meanwell HLG-240H-C1050B (238V, 1.05A). Each heatsink has 2 6" CPU fans that are always on, and well as a circulating fan, all in a 4'x4'x6' tent.

Thanks for the read!
 

ANC

Well-Known Member
Unless you had moisture ingress, my money would be on undersized heatsinks.
Heatsinks are normally rated in C/W or sometimes K/W (Celcius and Kalvin)
I.e. for every Watt, there is a set increase of heat (there is a little more to it, as some use thermal grease/glue or even the little insulators behind power transistors).

Just some assumptions (your data was a little light), you have 6 cobs on each sink for a total of 18 COBs, you did not say how hard you are driving them so I will just use worst case numbers.
238V/6 = 39.67V per COB (shouldn't it be 36 or 72V ballpark on the 3590s?)

If you are running at 1.05A, I would assume you are using the 72V COBS. Looking at the V/I graph, the COBs would use between 68 and 72V (temperature dependant). Something is way off, could you just post a synopsis of what voltages and currents you were aiming for per COB?

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HotBunz

Active Member
Unless you had moisture ingress, my money would be on undersized heatsinks.
Heatsinks are normally rated in C/W or sometimes K/W (Celcius and Kalvin)
I.e. for every Watt, there is a set increase of heat (there is a little more to it, as some use thermal grease/glue or even the little insulators behind power transistors).

Just some assumptions (your data was a little light), you have 6 cobs on each sink for a total of 18 COBs, you did not say how hard you are driving them so I will just use worst case numbers.
238V/6 = 39.67V per COB (shouldn't it be 36 or 72V ballpark on the 3590s?)

If you are running at 1.05A, I would assume you are using the 72V COBS. Looking at the V/I graph, the COBs would use between 68 and 72V (temperature dependant). Something is way off, could you just post a synopsis of what voltages and currents you were aiming for per COB?

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And I would assume he is running 36v COBs. No way to run 6 72v chips on a hlg-240h driver.
 

goofy81

Well-Known Member
Could it be the driver that's causing this? If everything is is connected nice and firmly with a fan on the heatsink, there's no way that the cob could die this early!

I had an experience just over a week ago which had my room at 50c for about an hour, so you can imagine the heatsink s were like 70c+ ! My LED are all fine thank God (all cxb3590@ 50w 1.4a), so I know they can handle a bit of abuse.
 

ANC

Well-Known Member
Wow, that is also severely under driving them.
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At 1 Amp they don't even chart it on the graph, guess it must sit at 30- or 40% driven.
To get 100% you need 1850 to 2500mA depending on the heatsink you run. Part of why I prefer the 72V units as the 1050mA drivers that are basically perfect for running them at 100% would need 1050 to 1350mA depending on heatsinking performance. Heck according to the graph you could get 85% at even105C running 1050mA..


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chooKcha

Active Member
These are 36V COBS, significantly underdriven, as you guys guessed. I used thermal grease as you would a CPU and I took the oxidation off the raw aluminum heatsink before applying grease or COB. For part of the time during grow, I had a resistor on the control leads of the power supplies to drop the current down to ~70% of the 1.05A capable. Based on the case that I am significantly underdriving these and that I have large heatsinks that are actively cooled, I don't think it was a thermal issue.

Because all three strings had a failure at the same or similar time (within a day), I am guessing that it is either environment driven or wiring related; but I am at a loss, cannot come up with any rational reason for 1 string dead and the other two at way low output.

If no one has any no brainer 'duh' moves to suggest where the problem is, I think I will take the light out of tent today and troubleshoot further.

Thanks guys!
 

CobKits

Well-Known Member
that is strange. power surge/lightning strike?

id start by disconnecting the drivers and checking each one for voltage. if they have adequate voltage try to light up cobs in batches of 3 at a time, which the driver should do
 

CobKits

Well-Known Member
also check your AC input voltage to eliminate variables. maybe something funky is going on with your house wiring and the drivers arent getting the minimum 95 V input
 
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