Drying Fan Leaves! Help!

unlmtd216

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Hi, I have a plant in SCROG that has been in Veg for about 4 months now. Recently, some of the lower fan leaves have began to dry up and turn brown. I did some research and found out that the problem could be PH levels or root rot. I used tap water (with the chlorine evaporated) to water this plant so I don't think it's a PH problem...

here are pics of one of the dried leaves...can anyone identify the problem ?






Thanks in advance for any help, Rollitup Forums! =)
 

Diabolical666

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do you have a microscope? If so look at them at 60x magnification. Make sure you dont have a micromite of some sorts
 

unlmtd216

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do you have a microscope? If so look at them at 60x magnification. Make sure you dont have a micromite of some sorts
I do not have a microscope. What would be the best thing to do if it is mite problem? I do have bug spray with peppermint oil in it but haven't used it for a while now..
 
gallon of water with a lil dab of dish soap will help with mite probs also keep in mind do not use soap n water on buds only for leaves and there underneath
 

unlmtd216

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Thanks for the replies everyone! I just sprayed it with Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Oil. Hope it works out...I'm just hoping this isn't an indication of root rot.

why you veg for so long is this a mother for your garden bro?
The plant was started indoors and then moved out for some time and then LST'd and eventually Scrog'd. I just switched the bulbs to soft white today and it'll be switched to 12/12 light cycle today! I'm really hoping it doesn't mess up cuz I put in a considerable amount of work into it. I'll probably post pics of it if my grow is successful. =)
 

Diabolical666

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I do not have a microscope. What would be the best thing to do if it is mite problem? I do have bug spray with peppermint oil in it but haven't used it for a while now..
You need to get one. If your plant is turning crispy from the bottom up, you most likely have rust mites. You will have to bomb your whole house and grow area 2 days in a row. Also you will have to bleach everything that comes in contact. This includes clothes, shoes etc
read this https://www.rollitup.org/t/hemp-rust-mites.609757/
 

unlmtd216

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You need to get one. If your plant is turning crispy from the bottom up, you most likely have rust mites. You will have to bomb your whole house and grow area 2 days in a row. Also you will have to bleach everything that comes in contact. This includes clothes, shoes etc
read this https://www.rollitup.org/t/hemp-rust-mites.609757/
Hmm...could it be that it is just nute burn? I did give the plant veg nutes at 100% strength for the first time of its life shortly before the drying started happening...before that, I only gave it 50%...
 

az2000

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Hmm...could it be that it is just nute burn? I did give the plant veg nutes at 100% strength for the first time of its life shortly before the drying started happening...before that, I only gave it 50%...
Nute burn is dried/yellow/burnt tips. It will appear higher up, not (exclusively) older bottom leaves.

To me it looks like normal die off of lower leaves due to insufficient light. A photo of the plant (how tall it is, bushy, thick), close up of 5-6 leaves as a group would help.
 

unlmtd216

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The plant has grown significantly over the past few weeks since I scrogged it and little light goes to the bottom leaves.

Here's the top canopy:


Closeup pics of affected leaves:



I also have other smaller plants in the same tent which are showing no signs of damage:
 

az2000

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I don't see a problem. The older necrotic leaves look like what I said in my last post. Maybe others have a different opinion.

How often do you water, or how dry do you let the soil become? They look a little over-watered (droopy, chloritic?). I could be wrong. They don't look bad.
 

unlmtd216

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I don't see a problem. The older necrotic leaves look like what I said in my last post. Maybe others have a different opinion.

How often do you water, or how dry do you let the soil become? They look a little over-watered (droopy, chloritic?). I could be wrong. They don't look bad.
Thank you for the info az2000! I'm pretty sure I'm watering okay because I let it dry out...water about once a week. I think I'll let it dry out some more next time.

This is my first grow by the way so yea :P
 

az2000

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Dig your finger into the topsoil, down to your first knuckle. If you don't feel moisture down there, it's ready to water. Lift the container and get a feel for how heavy it is. When you develop a sense for what is "too light" you'll be able to check containers more easily.

Watering once per week sounds too infrequent. But, the more important thing is to have good wet/dry cycles. If it takes a week, then that's what you need to do. In future grows you may want to add 20-40% perlite and see if you can get it down to every 2-4 days. I do every 2 days with Peat moss and Perlite. If I add 20% potting soil, it's closer to 3 days which I like a little better using more organic nutrients. 2 days was good when using purely synthetic nutrients.

As a newbie you want to be careful of your soil ph. I think that's the biggest problem for newbies. Did you add dolomite lime to your soil before planting? That helps hold the ph steady and adds ca/mg which the plant needs in early- to mid-flower. You'll probably have a deficiency at that time. If I were you, I'd measure runoff ph and TDS ppm. Keep in mind how long the water rests in the soil before being displaced into runoff (and how much runoff, it's better to have just enough to measure. If a lot flows through, it mixes with water that might have sat in the container 10 minutes, throwing off the time variable you want to keep track of). Runoff ph isn't accurate. But, it can help you assess what's happening when a problem occurs. If you see runoff drop from 5.8 to 5.2 over a few waterings and you start having a deficiency, you'll have an advantage when choosing how to respond. After you have a soil/nute combo worked out, you don't need to do this.

Looks good, especially for a first grow.
 

unlmtd216

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Dig your finger into the topsoil, down to your first knuckle. If you don't feel moisture down there, it's ready to water. Lift the container and get a feel for how heavy it is. When you develop a sense for what is "too light" you'll be able to check containers more easily.

Watering once per week sounds too infrequent. But, the more important thing is to have good wet/dry cycles. If it takes a week, then that's what you need to do. In future grows you may want to add 20-40% perlite and see if you can get it down to every 2-4 days. I do every 2 days with Peat moss and Perlite. If I add 20% potting soil, it's closer to 3 days which I like a little better using more organic nutrients. 2 days was good when using purely synthetic nutrients.

As a newbie you want to be careful of your soil ph. I think that's the biggest problem for newbies. Did you add dolomite lime to your soil before planting? That helps hold the ph steady and adds ca/mg which the plant needs in early- to mid-flower. You'll probably have a deficiency at that time. If I were you, I'd measure runoff ph and TDS ppm. Keep in mind how long the water rests in the soil before being displaced into runoff (and how much runoff, it's better to have just enough to measure. If a lot flows through, it mixes with water that might have sat in the container 10 minutes, throwing off the time variable you want to keep track of). Runoff ph isn't accurate. But, it can help you assess what's happening when a problem occurs. If you see runoff drop from 5.8 to 5.2 over a few waterings and you start having a deficiency, you'll have an advantage when choosing how to respond. After you have a soil/nute combo worked out, you don't need to do this.

Looks good, especially for a first grow.
I don't currently have a PH meter but I plan on getting one real soon! I looked up my cities tap water and it is around 6.5-7. I will invest in a meter though just to be sure. I used like 40% perlite and regular store bought potting soil. I get runoff pretty quickly after watering so I doubt it's a drainage problem. I will surely be careful of over watering from now on sticking my finger deeper into the soil around 2 inches from now on. I guess the drooping leaves and browning old fan leaves is because of a lack of light like you mentioned.

Thanks to all for all your help! :)
 
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