Fertz yield ranking...

Hi, so far I have been good with Canna products, so far no problem...I basically been using Canna Coco A+B in
every type of hydroponics with great results.
I bought in the beginning Bionova Hydroponic SuperMix and did only one grow with it . It did cause deficiency symptoms all the long the grows...maybe it was me and I was too newbie but didn't get problems with Canna.
I still have quite a few bottles of Bionova in my cabin...(not sure how long they last in storage)
Anyway my next grow is going to be in soil not pre loaded just light mix, I was going to use Canna Terra (originally was looking at BioBizz, but read about some problems with it)..now somebody convinced me to use Hesi for my soil grow,,easy to use good yields.
I have read and watched videos of Green Planet Nutrients and their product and ranges like Medi One what gives some crazy yields and everybody says that's the Bomb.
Cant get it here, yep could order but I think if everything else is pretty ok lights, temps,strain and humidity I should be ok with Hesi.....
But hey please feel free to comment of best yielding fertz you have run across and thoughts on Hesi, Medi One and Canna.

And if somebody have used Remo Nutrients ,Advanced Nutrients or any kick ass nutrient that has given some crazy dope ass yields comparing to the previous nutes they used before they found the Holy Grail of fertilizers the king of the kings what nuked any record grows ever made...throw me a bone here. ..brag the crap out of your success..

im pretty sure its not going to be the nutes, but rather grower experience, strain, and environment factors that play in yields.

Of course a better experienced grower gets better results than a less experienced.
But sometimes when a old dog learns new tricks /finds a new brand of fertz what might give a unexpected results and they newer look back at the old brand again.....anyway NOBODY has nugs like Remo and John in their grows...check :www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF6f8iFSVg4

Frets don't guarantee nothing in this game. Don't be fooled by bottled magic.......it doesn't exist.

Those look like man eating plants from a horror film...mi want some..

Naah its all in the bottle,,don't listen to him the thrut is out there and we are going to find it....

Ok have fun newbie grower.

Peace out

its all about the amount of lights and quality

I heard all kinds of garbage about nutes, so i started to investigate what is actually in those bottles. After researching i found out some states require nute companies to list their ingredients on the label and some states require percentages. You can find out all of this online but the bottom line is this, most of them use the exact same stuff. So to get around the cheap crap they put in nute concentrates i made my own with the good stuff. I could make several lifetimes worth for only a $100. Since i use coco coir as my medium i use fatmans coco coir recipe. My plants since then have never looked so awesome. My last harvest i got 10.6 ounces dry from one dutch passion think different. With fatmans coco coir recipe i dont have to worry about iron or calcium additives or even adjusting the ph. After i mix from the concentrate the ph is already perfect.

Added: For example, there are three types Iron you can use, some types such as Iron cheltate FeEdta is even bad for your plants.

DemonTrich said:

im pretty sure its not going to be the nutes, but rather grower experience, strain, and environment factors that play in yields.

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DemonTrich said:

Frets don't guarantee nothing in this game. Don't be fooled by bottled magic.......it doesn't exist.

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yep........

Phytium hater said:

Hi, so far I have been good with Canna products, so far no problem...I basically been using Canna Coco A+B in
every type of hydroponics with great results.
I bought in the beginning Bionova Hydroponic SuperMix and did only one grow with it . It did cause deficiency symptoms all the long the grows...maybe it was me and I was too newbie but didn't get problems with Canna.
I still have quite a few bottles of Bionova in my cabin...(not sure how long they last in storage)
Anyway my next grow is going to be in soil not pre loaded just light mix, I was going to use Canna Terra (originally was looking at BioBizz, but read about some problems with it)..now somebody convinced me to use Hesi for my soil grow,,easy to use good yields.
I have read and watched videos of Green Planet Nutrients and their product and ranges like Medi One what gives some crazy yields and everybody says that's the Bomb.
Cant get it here, yep could order but I think if everything else is pretty ok lights, temps,strain and humidity I should be ok with Hesi.....
But hey please feel free to comment of best yielding fertz you have run across and thoughts on Hesi, Medi One and Canna.

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I just got 3.4 pounds out of a 1000w and a 600w using organic fertilizers in soil..

Alot of growers starting out get bedazzled by the nute brands and marketing bullshit and fancy names and labels. Alot of unwarranted brand loyalty and wars out there. Its silly actually. If you noobs knew the science behind horticulture. A big problem is beginners start out with a quality nute....fuk the crop up....blame the nutes....then move on to another brand (there all basically the same folks) and do a little better...and repeat until they eventually crank out a decent worth crop and settle on whatever brand they used to get said crop. Them diss all the brands before as shit when it was them learning how to grow through trial and error....not the nutrients. And then preach this whole nutrient brand loyalty and shit on the web. Alot of them still dont know the science behind growing plants but it is what it is. Look....heres the truth.....nutrients are a very small part of growing dope. Thats a fact. All them fancy overpriced bottles do work if you follow some basic guidelines. There all pretty much the same. Ask any pro....they have been through it all.

Yep, good to know,,,I am going with Hesi next for non preloaded soil grow.
Just read that what surprises me about Hesi that people have burned easily their plants with them and recommend using only 25 % of the suggested amount written on the bottle,,,at least being super careful with the slow build up...
I have used Hesi PK 13/14 with Canna Coco with great results ,but thats about it.
Anyway if you check the PK reading comparing to Canna PK it is much lesser in strengt values so I newer thought Hesi would be overly strong in their mixtures..

Phytium hater said:

Of course a better experienced grower gets better results than a less experienced.
But sometimes when a old dog learns new tricks /finds a new brand of fertz what might give a unexpected results and they newer look back at the old brand again.....anyway NOBODY has nugs like Remo and John in their grows...check :www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF6f8iFSVg4

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Fertilizer is basically fertilizer.Some very minor differences in ratios and solution strength. But the aluminum phosphate or the magnesium carbonate and so on all came from just a handful of distributors. Around the world.

Give a real carpenter a few simple tools and he can build a good house.

First off we all know your yield correspond directly with genetics and environment but I believe the proper food can make a big difference...In actuality it's not about the brand it's about knowing what to feed your plants to give them an advantage...If you provide your plants with quality micro- and macro-nutrients, amino acids, hormones, chelates, plant growth regulators, vitamins, enzymes, yeast, yeast extracts, organics, carbohydrates, microbes, beneficial bacteria, and beneficial fungi you can sit back and watch your yields climb.

DemonTrich said:

im pretty sure its not going to be the nutes, but rather grower experience, strain, and environment factors that play in yields.

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Enigmatic Ways said:

First off we all know your yield correspond directly with genetics and environment but I believe the proper food can make a big difference...In actuality it's not about the brand it's about knowing what to feed your plants to give them an advantage...If you provide your plants with quality micro- and macro-nutrients, amino acids, hormones, chelates, plant growth regulators, vitamins, enzymes, yeast, yeast extracts, organics, carbohydrates, microbes, beneficial bacteria, and beneficial fungi you can sit back and watch your yields climb.

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Hey, now we are getting somewhere ,I'we read a lot but this is the superpro fine tuning I would like to read in detail...can you suggest a source online which goes in to that tuning in detail...THIS IS INTERESTING to understand in the great dept.

Phytium hater said:

Yep, good to know,,,I am going with Hesi next for non preloaded soil grow.
Just read that what surprises me about Hesi that people have burned easily their plants with them and recommend using only 25 % of the suggested amount written on the bottle,,,at least being super careful with the slow build up...
I have used Hesi PK 13/14 with Canna Coco with great results ,but thats about it.
Anyway if you check the PK reading comparing to Canna PK it is much lesser in strengt values so I newer thought Hesi would be overly strong in their mixtures..

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Demon Trich is 100% correct in his statements!

With that said.

I used Hesi after testing so many other things out there....I never looked back and used it for several years before going back to 100% organic and heavy on the water only soils....

I have a cpl of tips for you.
DROP the "ROOTS" and the "SUPERVIT" and use a Kelp extract instead - they will do basically the same thing....You only have to use the Kelp once a week or every other to every 3rd feeding if you feel an urge. I used Age old Kelp and had the best results with that!

Learn to do the once a day watering style!

Follow the feed chart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To the letter!
Feed every OTHER day! = water - feed - water - feed, etc, etc. YOU, may find the need to go up to everyday like the above video. You're plants will "tell" you and that would be a strain dependent thing - some are heavy feeders!

The 25% thing is BS unless you use something called SEA GREEN! IF you try SEA GREEN = start at 25% and go up from there if need be! VERY powerful stuff!

I also used a basic bio or myco tea later in my experimenting and found that when doing so you may need to reduce the % used some also. I used it once a week and it helped in my eye's too.

As for whats in the bottle as far AS nutrients go. The plant knows no dif. IN the actual nutrient. NPK is NPK, no matter synthetic or organic. A synthetic carbon atom is the same carbon as an organic one in the end. In Organics the soil or the bio's in the soil break down the atoms to be available to the plant and synthetic atoms are already available TO the plant - no need for the soil to have to "break" them down to "available" forms.

It's in the ratio's used and how you are told to feed as in amounts and timing of applications that are wrong ....MANY synthetic nutrient makers 'PUSH" the plant by using too much and changing to more P&K to early! It's in a way, not the fert it's self but how you use it and in what way you apply it! Sadly, they are playing off the novice growers assumption that more is better.

Once you've dialed in a nutrient to do what it should, when it should - you're on top of the game!

Pumping your plant with stupid amounts of P&K. Do less in increasing yields then MOST growers think! You CAN, by prudent use of exacting amounts of P&K applied at specific times. Increase the yield by some interesting amounts.....This is an art that only comes with time and experiment. NO 2 grow ops present the same way. You have to take the time to find YOUR optimal conditions and nutrient use to meet your own needs!

Water and what's in it play a major role! I found that starting with as low a water ppm as possible, along with the use of a Ca/Mg and a Silica product (only use the Si on water only days for the best results) gave me the closest to what I was attempting to achieve !

The SOIL used and how you use it, plays another, VERY key role!
I liked a good organic 30 day nutrient available soil and let the plant use that nutrient in the soil before starting nutrient use!
I loved "Potters Gold" soil and still use it for my seedlings and solo cup plants for organic starting of my plants. I had to amend nothing in that soil to do the job I wanted it to do!

Lastly. I went seedling to solo to 3 gallon and feed to finish. I did do some 5 gallons and they worked well too. I should note that I did some big 30 gallon outdoor runs and had exceptional results with my "dialed in" system of feeding. I suspect that the same would transfer to even bigger outdoor runs if that's in your mind.

Good Luck!

Well said Who^^^^^