Fresh Frozen QWET

I had one extra little plant that I harvested yeterday. I cut and put straight into the freezer.

When using fresh frozen material, are there tips vs normal QWET extraction? Just curious of anything I should do differently...

Temps are more important, keep everything frozen.. what it would look like if sitting for 24hrs can happen in minutes, so be quick as well...try and limit cuts in the plant material and however you go about cutting up the herb make sure its all chilled before you do so, i used to have to do this in stages so it wouldnt warm too much while cutting

Thats all i can really think of.

So this was a leftover plant from a bad seed I had. I threw it in extra space in flower room and is probably only a half oz or so at most. Lots of small buds (it was a monster crop sort of thing for fun). Point being, lots of small buds. I just cut them off the stem, threw in a ball jar, and into the freezer. So if I am getting you, I will just leave them alone and not cut anymore.

I normally extract in a cooler with dry ice but wasn't going to spend the dough on it this time. What do you think if I freeze everything, do one pull, throw it all back in the freezer a few hours, and then do a second pull. Also, how long do you recommend for this. Normally I do two one-minute pulls.

Thanks!

Yea that sounds perfect.
In a perfect world i would always run airy sativas, never grind doing a fresh frozen extraction on a 26 week sativa, taken a few weeks early ....but umm yea thats great.
Well etoh isnt my preferred solvent, not knocking at all just saying... i would personally fill a mason jar till bud line and swirl for 45 and call it done. But having been a while since doing an etoh extraction i would go by sight, youve done extractions before.

But that also goes into your own personal preference. I usually go for just the most pristine oil

You gave me an inspiration, thanks. Will do one pull. Refreeze. And then do a second pull using my pint of reclaim, clean the scissors, etc ethanol that I cook down into RSO every so often. Since this is a test of fresh frozen, I do want to see it at its best.

I am a chef, not a scientist. As such, using anything not food safe scares me, albeit likely irrationally. When I do larger batches on dry ice, I really like it. I can extract, throw it back in the cooler, and it basically winterizes in a couple hours, with any sediment sinking. And no additional dry, scrape, purge, etc. And with ethanol, I need not worry about a full purge.

A friend did some once and his alcohol and bud were not frozen. His extract to no surprise was much darker, greener, etc than mine. But after sitting in that cooler for a while, it ended up pretty darn close.

Thanks a bunch!

I am willing to bet alotnyour yield was shit and if you only really did one pull/wash? You got some super light stuff. Fresh frozen you need to run more like 3-4 times and do longer washes, I'm sorry I didn't get her in time. Also, are you smoking? Any real reason you don't use ISO? The yield is 2x better...in fact, QWET is such an inefficient transfer, the yield % just isn't there for a solvent. Dry sift will yield the same but be solvent free

Im not sure i agree..

What? You kidding me? You need to read into Rosin tech. Dry ice or dry sift then get 50% + return on it when you press it with heat and its shatter? Without solvent? bHo is debatable, but if you have a vac oven it's the best, but QWET and QWISO are for sure obsolete now. I can get better yield, and purer product with less time and less money that way.

Any guide-including skunpharm, grey wolf, etc. Will also show you that fresh frozen is the worst yielder, and that they never removed all of the THC with just one wash

Ok but yield is only worse because its heavier with the water weight.. your not extracting less cannabinoids than you would have otherwise

Also whats wrong with "super light stuff"

I prefer qwiso runs but it doesnt have twice the yield, certainly not. They both yield about the same. Bho yields more because it picks up alot of the fats an alcohol extraction doesnt. Ethanol is a great solvent and will fully dissolve a trichome head in a minute. Comparing to dry sift, which is much dirtier really doesnt make sense, even if yields were nearly the same. Which they arent..

I know what rosin is. Its been around a very long time..im not sure why it became popular recently..to say that rosin is better is laughable. Yea its shatter, and not good.. its shatter from the high heat boiling off low weight compounds, course you also break down lots of terps through pyrolysis in this process.. i dont go for shatter
Bho is fine for commercial use, yea its got a better yield, hard to fuck up.. less terps though and you cant winterize out alot of the fats extracted, hard to purge too, ive never been a fan. The purest product i can get is with iso. Like my "meth" pic with the pink hash crystalls.

Skunkpharm is grey wolf..
Yea sure you can do another wash, but dont add it to the first one. A single quick wash going for purity usually yields about 15%

Not with fresh frozen material, maybe cured. Dry sift is dirty but what you aren't getting is that I am explaining how to make it clean, so dry sift does yield better, but it's dirtier? That's what rosin is for, again, read my post and I explained it, or attempted to, logically. A shatter/full melt from a higher yeilding, solvent less, AND cheaper material? Again, how does this NOT make Qwiso or QWET obsolete?

And that's absolut bullshitig to say that the purest product you get is from Qwiso or QWET when solvent less is clearly, and scientifically proven to be cleaner

Where does curing come into play here?

No i didnt say it yields more...i suggested it didnt, course it depends quality.

Id rather have the product before its made into rosin honestly..just because you made shatter, closer resembling typical solvent extracts doesnt make it better
Qwiso yields the purest product ive ever seen not synthesized

Lol you need to check some actual lab tests. Go checkout @soilgrown on Instagram my dude, actual lab tests to prove you wrong on both a thc% count as well as cannabinoid % maybe then you will see that just because you think somethig is pure doesn't mean it is till it has been run though an actual lab....he compares BHO and flowers before and after to the rosin

And by cure I meant dry, my bad

Ive seen the lab tests...

You can have your prefrences. Its cool. Im not gonna stop preferring qwiso, i dont force it on ohers. You clearly enjoy rosin, everyone has their prefrence.

Anyway.. ill take my qwiso over any rosin
And yes ive made rosin. Used to a few years back more often, fairly quick and easy

qwizoking said:

Ive seen the lab tests...

You can have your prefrences. Its cool. Im not gonna stop preferring qwiso, i dont force it on ohers. You clearly enjoy rosin, everyone has their prefrence.

Anyway.. ill take my qwiso over any rosin
And yes ive made rosin. Used to a few years back more often, fairly quick and easy

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Seen the lab tests and still claims that qWISo is more pure...some people just refuse to see reason. I'm not tring to press it, I'm just saying you are wrong about it being the most pure and it makes QWISO obsolete for those who care about their health and smoking foreign material/solvent extracted material

Well since i cant test mine and show you i cant prove you wrong i suppose

Yields are not really all that important to me. I grow more than I need and refuse to sell a gram. It is a commodity and a hobby. My QWET makes me happy, works for me, makes great e-juice, etc. I like not needing to worry about a full purge and using extra heat to get it. And no vac ovens or the sort for me.

And this was just an experiment with an extra misfit.

So... I did he first wash and it was about the most crystal clear I had ever seen. So I threw it all back in the freezer and did the second a few hours later. Qizoking was right, it can start pulling green quickly! I wish I hadn't done the second.

Not happy with the end result (taste), but it is stony and shall be saved should a rainy day arise.

Next time is one wash and that's it!

GrowinDad said:

Yields are not really all that important to me. I grow more than I need and refuse to sell a gram. It is a commodity and a hobby. My QWET makes me happy, works for me, makes great e-juice, etc. I like not needing to worry about a full purge and using extra heat to get it. And no vac ovens or the sort for me.

And this was just an experiment with an extra misfit.

So... I did he first wash and it was about the most crystal clear I had ever seen. So I threw it all back in the freezer and did the second a few hours later. Qizoking was right, it can start pulling green quickly! I wish I hadn't done the second.

Not happy with the end result (taste), but it is stony and shall be saved should a rainy day arise.

Next time is one wash and that's it!

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Too bad I was not paying attention and had seen this sooner.

I would have highly suggested NOT to do a wash then put back into the freezer.

One of the reasons why is it now has alcohol in it and will not freeze. By doing that it was more of a long soak rather than a quick frozen second wash.

What I like to do is have my product frozen, buds in a mason jar and the solvent in it's container. I do not grind the buds, but do well manicure them. If the buds were bone dry before jarring, as soon as the solvent hits the buds and start shaking the jar, they will immediately crumble. Then I do a quick filter from the jar using a basic strainer. I will repeat the process as quickly as possible. I usually do 3 quick rinses. If I want a really elite product I will do the first 2 rinses, then keep the 3rd separate.

I am confident you know all of this, but I am looking to try the same thing, I am curious. I want to compare fresh manicured wet buds frozen compared to fresh dry buds. I have not done an extraction with fresh buds yet.

Has anyone compared side by side and has a confident answer to which way is better?

I have seen PB do fresh wet bud and I must say the pictures he posted were nice looking. However, I did notice in the pictures a red ring going around the dish. The red ring is red oil, which is water soluble and is not favorable to have mixed in your oil for a few reasons.

Either way, I will do my own side by side comparison. You don't know until you try right?

GrowinDad: Now that I have tried the KX, it is my favorite solvent. Not will all of my strains though. Next purchase I make will be 5 gallons. You did that right? ordered a 5 gallon jug of the KX or was it 5 individual gallons. What type of container did it come in? I don't mind accommodating the solvent with certain strains because I really like working with it.

Hey GG,

Yeah, a buddy and I split the 5 gal. It comes in a large plastic container, like cooking oil at Sam's Club for deep fryers. We actually couldn't get the top off, so we improvised. Bottom line, expect to put it into other bottles. I have a bunch of old pint bottles from another 100% ethanol, so I use those and one gallon jugs. A bit of a pain but worth the lower price!

On the fresh frozen... (and yes, you know I know what to do with dried bud I am guessing that first pull would have been spectacular. You kow how I normally pull on dry ice and end up something very clear. This was even clearer, I mean hard to see any difference from the ethanol itself. I think you are right on me going back into the freezer.

So thoughts go to (a) slighly longer pull and only do one (b) do the same first pull and then maybe use the rest for a VG tincture, gree dragon, etc.

With that said, the ejuice made may not taste the best but I do think there is something to frrsh frozen and terps. I took some puffs before bed last night and slept through the whole night which doesn't happen. Woke up at around 6:00, took a couple, and gave me another 1.5 hrs of sleep.

My first CDB heavy strain is hanging right now. Girls got chopped Friday. So now I am wondering about it, fresh frozen for my medicinal needs, etc. I grew it largely to treat my old dog, so makes me wonder whether a FF pull for me and then use the bud for VG ticture for him may be a perfect plan (though I did not freeze any of it yet).

To anyone who does QWET.. What do you think would happen if you infused the ethanol with vanilla beans or something and then extracted. Would the flavor make it in? Or GG, what is one infused the alcohol with other terps,oils before extraction like what you are experimenting with?

Thanks for replying back GrowinDad so I know what to expect. Even with the gallon jug I had to improvise and poured mine into glass jugs too. I prefer the glass, it keeps the cold longer after being in the freezer.

I will surely give fresh frozen a try next time. I will run a couple of comparisons.

With the additional terpenes from other extracts, I have been adding those in after the extraction. Most seem to blend very well. I will mix small amounts as each essential oil is for a specific need. Such as, dental, numbing the mouth and helping to eliminate infection, clove essential oil is better than anything I have tried. Being able to dilute essential oils with fractionated coconut oil works great. Same with adding in concentrated cannabis oil. Mixed per use to accommodate the desired need. I have been able to mix them pretty good without adding any heat.

You are right, even though it was not wet-fresh-frozen, with my most recent extraction I was able to preserve the most terpenes from the cannabis than I have ever achieved (it was naturally decarbed). It gave me the best sleep I have ever had. A very noticeable difference and the same for vaping.

I greatly appreciate your feedback, thank you. I will order a 5 gallon jug next time around.