Fuck the police

Marlo95

Active Member
So I grow and I love it but the problem is that I'm not legal. I currantly run 4 5gal bucket DWC system. Under 2 600w light systems. I want to expand but I'm Adrain that the electric bill will give the police the right to know on my door with a warrant. I want to be able to have a large enough grow where I can crop out every other week. Do police really detect how much electric I use? And will it get me caught if I have 4 600w lights plus a couple fluorescent for my veg room? What are my alternatives?
 

rob333

Well-Known Member
So I grow and I love it but the problem is that I'm not legal. I currantly run 4 5gal bucket DWC system. Under 2 600w light systems. I want to expand but I'm Adrain that the electric bill will give the police the right to know on my door with a warrant. I want to be able to have a large enough grow where I can crop out every other week. Do police really detect how much electric I use? And will it get me caught if I have 4 600w lights plus a couple fluorescent for my veg room? What are my alternatives?
do some research none of us here grow anything illegal so we couldent tell ya ;)
 

mr sunshine

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So I grow and I love it but the problem is that I'm not legal. I currantly run 4 5gal bucket DWC system. Under 2 600w light systems. I want to expand but I'm Adrain that the electric bill will give the police the right to know on my door with a warrant. I want to be able to have a large enough grow where I can crop out every other week. Do police really detect how much electric I use? And will it get me caught if I have 4 600w lights plus a couple fluorescent for my veg room? What are my alternatives?
Led, I wouldn't worry about it to much though..
 

lawlrus

Well-Known Member
There is no foolproof way to blow up a house in a residential neighborhood and completely avoid risk.

Paying your bill on time might help keep you off the radar, so to speak, but I don't think it should be considered a mitigating factor in terms of overall risk...

If you're that concerned, maybe set up a flip/flop with a reasonable amount of lights (just off the top of my head I would say 4kw or less in an average home, say ~2000 sq ft) to limit the amount of electricity being consumed at one particular time. With that said, if you're somewhere that has Smart Meters, it doesn't matter what you're doing, they know what is plugged in and when. Either way, anybody who tries to give you an exact, definitive amount of electricity that you can safely consume for a grow is full of shit as there is no possible way to account for all the variables.

The most important thing you can do is ensure that you have maintained security on your end. I'm lucky to have a girlfriend who doesn't smoke, so I can have her walk around the house and do "smell checks" occasionally. All it takes is a few hours with your power out and no fan/scrubber running to make your whole house stink, and that stink can easily go through a door or two.

If you maintain security overall, don't have people coming and going, don't have others who know about your operation, and take care of the odor, you are well on your way to taking the best preventative measures you can. Again, however, you can never account for all variables and you never know what might happen, so the best you can do is take care of everything you can control and hope for the best from there.

A good example of this: a buddy of mine had a fairly small op going in a residential neighborhood, I think 4 or 5 lights maybe (4-5000w). The electricity wasn't an issue so far as we know -- but when heavy winds hit us and knocked a big tree over and through his roof, he had all of 15 minutes before the paramedics and fire department arrived to move everything to a friend's house a few hundred yards away. He didn't get in any legal trouble, but that was entirely luck -- he had time to finish cleaning up before the police themselves showed up. He got lucky as shit. Had he not been home, he would be in prison right now.

Treat every move you make with a commercial grow as though it is the difference between incarceration and freedom. Makes for a somewhat paranoid existence at times, but it's the safest way you can go about this hobby of ours in an illegal state.
 

ButchyBoy

Well-Known Member
they know what is plugged in and when.

The most important thing you can do is ensure that you have maintained security on your end.
I chuckled at the first part.. LOL.. Smart meters don't know what is plugged in. They measure Kilo watt hours.

The security is exactly what he needs. Either he will tell someone about his grow or someone will smell it!
 

lawlrus

Well-Known Member
I chuckled at the first part.. LOL.. Smart meters don't know what is plugged in. They measure Kilo watt hours.

The security is exactly what he needs. Either he will tell someone about his grow or someone will smell it!
Yes, and 4000w running 12 hours a day can only be so many things. Places where Smart Meters are common are not new to residential grow ops.
 

Marlo95

Active Member
There is no foolproof way to blow up a house in a residential neighborhood and completely avoid risk.

Paying your bill on time might help keep you off the radar, so to speak, but I don't think it should be considered a mitigating factor in terms of overall risk...

If you're that concerned, maybe set up a flip/flop with a reasonable amount of lights (just off the top of my head I would say 4kw or less in an average home, say ~2000 sq ft) to limit the amount of electricity being consumed at one particular time. With that said, if you're somewhere that has Smart Meters, it doesn't matter what you're doing, they know what is plugged in and when. Either way, anybody who tries to give you an exact, definitive amount of electricity that you can safely consume for a grow is full of shit as there is no possible way to account for all the variables.

The most important thing you can do is ensure that you have maintained security on your end. I'm lucky to have a girlfriend who doesn't smoke, so I can have her walk around the house and do "smell checks" occasionally. All it takes is a few hours with your power out and no fan/scrubber running to make your whole house stink, and that stink can easily go through a door or two.

If you maintain security overall, don't have people coming and going, don't have others who know about your operation, and take care of the odor, you are well on your way to taking the best preventative measures you can. Again, however, you can never account for all variables and you never know what might happen, so the best you can do is take care of everything you can control and hope for the best from there.

A good example of this: a buddy of mine had a fairly small op going in a residential neighborhood, I think 4 or 5 lights maybe (4-5000w). The electricity wasn't an issue so far as we know -- but when heavy winds hit us and knocked a big tree over and through his roof, he had all of 15 minutes before the paramedics and fire department arrived to move everything to a friend's house a few hundred yards away. He didn't get in any legal trouble, but that was entirely luck -- he had time to finish cleaning up before the police themselves showed up. He got lucky as shit. Had he not been home, he would be in prison right now.

Treat every move you make with a commercial grow as though it is the difference between incarceration and freedom. Makes for a somewhat paranoid existence at times, but it's the safest way you can go about this hobby of ours in an illegal state.
Smell isn't an issue. I run a closed grow room, and my carbon scrubber recycles air more than just once. You can stand on the other side and not smell a thing!
 

lawlrus

Well-Known Member
Smell isn't an issue. I run a closed grow room, and my carbon scrubber recycles air more than just once. You can stand on the other side and not smell a thing!
Again, that's great and I'm glad that you have that taken care of. What happens if the lights go out and the carbon scrubber is no longer active? Do you have a backup source of power in the event that you lose electricity for a period longer than a few hours?


By closed room do you mean a sealed room?
 

WeedFreak78

Well-Known Member
I chuckled at the first part.. LOL.. Smart meters don't know what is plugged in. They measure Kilo watt
Better do some more research. Old school meters only read Kw, the new smart meters can't directly tell what is running, but they can use the info to figure out what's running based on the electrical draws of the appliance.
 

spek9

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Unless you are running 10+kW, don't pay your bill, or steal your electricity, you'll be fine.

They can't arbitrarily just bust in (from what I know) because of high usage. Two, or even four 600w bulbs is miniscule. Could simply represent a space heater or two.

Pay your bill, and don't be paranoid. Per my avatar that @ayr0n made for me, I'm not legal either ;)

-spek
 

oldtimer54

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Look.........If you keep your nose clean and keep a low profile and as it has been stated earlier pay you elec bill on time and keep your house from going up in flames and managing the smell you should be fine. Most meters are now smart meters which are read remotely. Now if you notice someone reading your meter that might be an indication that the power company may think you have a problem......but there job is to provide elec and if you pay on time and don't report any issues they have no
reason to think there's a problem.......don't tell , don't smell, no jail !
 

mr sunshine

Well-Known Member
Yes, and 4000w running 12 hours a day can only be so many things. Places where Smart Meters are common are not new to residential grow ops.
Lmao 4000 watts is not blowing up a house. 4000 watts is just growing in a normal size room.
 

lawlrus

Well-Known Member
Lmao 4000 watts is not blowing up a house. 4000 watts is just growing in a normal size room.
who said anything about blowing up a house? I was referring to a general estimate of the [lighting] wattage he is using based on the following:

And will it get me caught if I have 4 600w lights plus a couple fluorescent for my veg room?

but by all means, tell me what you know about blowing up a house so I can get a chuckle
 

mr sunshine

Well-Known Member
who said anything about blowing up a house? I was referring to a general estimate of the [lighting] wattage he is using based on the following:




but by all means, tell me what you know about blowing up a house so I can get a chuckle
u said it bro!

There is no foolproof way to blow up a house in a residential neighborhood and completely avoid risk.

Paying your bill on time might help keep you off the radar, so to speak, but I don't think it should be considered a mitigating factor in terms of overall risk...

If you're that concerned, maybe set up a flip/flop with a reasonable amount of lights (just off the top of my head I would say 4kw or less in an average home, say ~2000 sq ft) to limit the amount of electricity being consumed at one particular time. With that said, if you're somewhere that has Smart Meters, it doesn't matter what you're doing, they know what is plugged in and when. Either way, anybody who tries to give you an exact, definitive amount of electricity that you can safely consume for a grow is full of shit as there is no possible way to account for all the variables.

The most important thing you can do is ensure that you have maintained security on your end. I'm lucky to have a girlfriend who doesn't smoke, so I can have her walk around the house and do "smell checks" occasionally. All it takes is a few hours with your power out and no fan/scrubber running to make your whole house stink, and that stink can easily go through a door or two.

If you maintain security overall, don't have people coming and going, don't have others who know about your operation, and take care of the odor, you are well on your way to taking the best preventative measures you can. Again, however, you can never account for all variables and you never know what might happen, so the best you can do is take care of everything you can control and hope for the best from there.

A good example of this: a buddy of mine had a fairly small op going in a residential neighborhood, I think 4 or 5 lights maybe (4-5000w). The electricity wasn't an issue so far as we know -- but when heavy winds hit us and knocked a big tree over and through his roof, he had all of 15 minutes before the paramedics and fire department arrived to move everything to a friend's house a few hundred yards away. He didn't get in any legal trouble, but that was entirely luck -- he had time to finish cleaning up before the police themselves showed up. He got lucky as shit. Had he not been home, he would be in prison right now.

Treat every move you make with a commercial grow as though it is the difference between incarceration and freedom. Makes for a somewhat paranoid existence at times, but it's the safest way you can go about this hobby of ours in an illegal state.
 
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