Growing landrace sativas in Coco/Perlite

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RobCat

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Im a grower who exclusively deals with landrace sativas. Ive been growing Ace Seeds gear for a few years now and I recently harvested some Green Mountain Seeds gear. Now Ive decided to give coco a try for my next grow, which will be Guawi, Honduras x Panama, and Thai x Panama. Ive grown these strains before but Im trying to get some feedback from someone whos used coco with pure sativas. Do they respond well to this medium? And does the growth and stretch set in faster than soil? I know sativas are finicky and unpredictable but thats part of the challenge for me and theyre quite fun to grow(and smoke). Im just bored with soil and wanted to experiment with something new. Ive read that if you can master coco that quality and quantity can be enchanced. Any info or suggestions are greatly appreciated
 
I find that Coco is pretty forgiving as long as it's utilized correctly. Limit the amount of fluid and frequency depending on plant size / needs.
Growth becomes explosive if done correctly. I haven't noticed anything in regard to stretch and Coco.
I love the stuff but also love a good balanced soil.
 
Skunkbudz said:
I find that Coco is pretty forgiving as long as it's utilized correctly. Limit the amount of fluid and frequency depending on plant size / needs.
Growth becomes explosive if done correctly. I haven't noticed anything in regard to stretch and Coco.
I love the stuff but also love a good balanced soil.
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Landrace sativas are sweet....well any landrace that hasn't been played with.
 
Skunkbudz said:
I find that Coco is pretty forgiving as long as it's utilized correctly. Limit the amount of fluid and frequency depending on plant size / needs.
Growth becomes explosive if done correctly. I haven't noticed anything in regard to stretch and Coco.
I love the stuff but also love a good balanced soil.
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Thanks for the tip Skunkbudz. I had planned to drop the base nutes back to a minimum and up the cal/mag as my research has indicated. Most of what i grow are 100% sativa but Ace pumps out a lot of really nice sativa hydrids. The guawi has 15% indica but believe me theres nothing indica about the high
 
Don't overfeed and you should not have any issues. I've grown lots of ACE strains and am still working through a backlog. I currently have an ACE Ethiopian growing outdoors. I doesn't matter what you're growing in. If you feed properly you'll be fine. The biggest issue I see you having is size limitations if you're growing indoors in a tent. I had an Oldtimers Haze go 20 weeks and I had to do some hardcore supercropping just so it would fit.

Which Green Mountain strain did you grow? I really wanted some of that Zacatecas Tribute but it was only available from the ACE website and they don't ship to the United States. And now they're sold out.

I'm a big ACE fan myself as you can tell.

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xtsho said:
Don't overfeed and you should not have any issues. I've grown lots of ACE strains and am still working through a backlog. I currently have an ACE Ethiopian growing outdoors. I doesn't matter what you're growing in. If you feed properly you'll be fine. The biggest issue I see you having is size limitations if you're growing indoors in a tent. I had an Oldtimers Haze go 20 weeks and I had to do some hardcore supercropping just so it would fit.

Which Green Mountain strain did you grow? I really wanted some of that Zacatecas Tribute but it was only available from the ACE website and they don't ship to the United States. And now they're sold out.

I'm a big ACE fan myself as you can tell.

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I certainly can tell youre a fan. And you have the gautemala original, which i believe was used to make Tikal and Guawi. Ive been using 3 gallon fabric pots for the longest. I was going to bump up to 5 but many people online have mentioned not needing a lot of extra root space with coco. Ive never grown out the super-long flowering sativas from Ace but I'll jump right on that opportunity if im ever able to grow outdoors. Ive tried the Oldtimers haze and its caffeine on steriods
 
RobCat said:
I certainly can tell youre a fan. And you have the gautemala original, which i believe was used to make Tikal and Guawi. Ive been using 3 gallon fabric pots for the longest. I was going to bump up to 5 but many people online have mentioned not needing a lot of extra root space with coco. Ive never grown out the super-long flowering sativas from Ace but I'll jump right on that opportunity if im ever able to grow outdoors. Ive tried the Oldtimers haze and its caffeine on steriods
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You won't need to go any larger than 3 gallons indoors with coco.
 
xtsho said:
Don't overfeed and you should not have any issues. I've grown lots of ACE strains and am still working through a backlog. I currently have an ACE Ethiopian growing outdoors. I doesn't matter what you're growing in. If you feed properly you'll be fine. The biggest issue I see you having is size limitations if you're growing indoors in a tent. I had an Oldtimers Haze go 20 weeks and I had to do some hardcore supercropping just so it would fit.

Which Green Mountain strain did you grow? I really wanted some of that Zacatecas Tribute but it was only available from the ACE website and they don't ship to the United States. And now they're sold out.

I'm a big ACE fan myself as you can tell.

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I grew the mountain gold and pineapple banana bud. I kept the best 3 of each, along with a panama. pretty stellar strains. Ive trimmed and jarred a mountain gold. 2.7 ounces so not bad. The plants smelled like grape pez candy when you'd touch them. The strains HATE nitrogen. I dont think youd need it at all if you have a good soil mix. I didnt think the Zacatecas Tribute was still available but id love to get my hands on some one day. Mexican sativas have the best highs IMO
 
RobCat said:
Thanks for the tip Skunkbudz. I had planned to drop the base nutes back to a minimum and up the cal/mag as my research has indicated. Most of what i grow are 100% sativa but Ace pumps out a lot of really nice sativa hydrids. The guawi has 15% indica but believe me theres nothing indica about the high
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Thanks brother always like hearing what others have experienced.
 
Mountain Gold. Cut and jarred. Smells of tropical fruits and mango. I definitely think this plant leaned more Hawaiian Sativa. I'll post more pics as the plants come down for jarring
 

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RobCat said:
Mountain Gold. Cut and jarred. Smells of tropical fruits and mango. I definitely think this plant leaned more Hawaiian Sativa. I'll post more pics as the plants come down for jarring
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xtsho said:
Don't overfeed and you should not have any issues. I've grown lots of ACE strains and am still working through a backlog. I currently have an ACE Ethiopian growing outdoors. I doesn't matter what you're growing in. If you feed properly you'll be fine. The biggest issue I see you having is size limitations if you're growing indoors in a tent. I had an Oldtimers Haze go 20 weeks and I had to do some hardcore supercropping just so it would fit.

Which Green Mountain strain did you grow? I really wanted some of that Zacatecas Tribute but it was only available from the ACE website and they don't ship to the United States. And now they're sold out.

I'm a big ACE fan myself as you can tell.

aceseedsmalawi.jpg
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I realize the OP hasn't been around since February but I'll use this thread and post to ask my question.

I recently purchased some seeds from ACE via Multiverse and have germinated a Panama seed. My plan is to grow in coco using the same reservoir system I've used for all my past grows. Nutes will be Jacks.
I've read over and over again that these sativas don't like high nute levels, especially nitrogen.
Can anyone who has grown these give any rough guidelines as to what EC, in coco, they used for a successful grow. I am currently growing an indica, Northern Lights #5 using 2.2 ec in flower. It seems to like this level and is drinking close to 3 gallons every 3 to 4 days!
These seeds will be my first pure sativa grow. I also have malawi and panama x honduras but will grow these out later.
Thanks in advance.
 
RottyRzr said:
I realize the OP hasn't been around since February but I'll use this thread and post to ask my question.

I recently purchased some seeds from ACE via Multiverse and have germinated a Panama seed. My plan is to grow in coco using the same reservoir system I've used for all my past grows. Nutes will be Jacks.
I've read over and over again that these sativas don't like high nute levels, especially nitrogen.
Can anyone who has grown these give any rough guidelines as to what EC, in coco, they used for a successful grow. I am currently growing an indica, Northern Lights #5 using 2.2 ec in flower. It seems to like this level and is drinking close to 3 gallons every 3 to 4 days!
These seeds will be my first pure sativa grow. I also have malawi and panama x honduras but will grow these out later.
Thanks in advance.
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I grew the Panama at around 1.5-1.6 EC in 100% coco. It seems to be able to take higher levels than some of the other sativas. I'm growing a couple of Malawi's right now and was feeding at that level and had to back it down to 1.0. I also had issues with their Ethiopian and had to lower the EC. When I say issues I'm referring to the tips starting to show minor signs of overfeeding and plants getting a little too dark green.

The Panama got the same as everything else in the tent and grew just fine. I had Pakistani Chitral Kush growing at the same time and both strains were fed the same. Both grew nice and healthy from start to finish without any nutrient issues. I don't know if your current 2.2 would be too much as I never run anything at that level. You can always back off if it is too much. The good thing about coco is that if you see signs of overfeeding it's real easy to back off. Just water with lower strength to plenty of runoff and you're good to go.
 
xtsho said:
I grew the Panama at around 1.5-1.6 EC in 100% coco. It seems to be able to take higher levels than some of the other sativas. I'm growing a couple of Malawi's right now and was feeding at that level and had to back it down to 1.0. I also had issues with their Ethiopian and had to lower the EC. When I say issues I'm referring to the tips starting to show minor signs of overfeeding and plants getting a little too dark green.

The Panama got the same as everything else in the tent and grew just fine. I had Pakistani Chitral Kush growing at the same time and both strains were fed the same. Both grew nice and healthy from start to finish without any nutrient issues. I don't know if your current 2.2 would be too much as I never run anything at that level. You can always back off if it is too much. The good thing about coco is that if you see signs of overfeeding it's real easy to back off. Just water with lower strength to plenty of runoff and you're good to go.
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Thanks for the reply Xtsho. That really helps give me a target EC to try. My current ec of 2.2 for the NL5 won't be used for the Panama. I'm gonna set up a separate reservoir for it.
I really like using coco and as you said its easy to change things up. I'll have to mix in a little perlite though if I use the same coco I have here. It is a finer grade than I like and I just feel the perlite is insurance it will drain better. Hmm, maybe I should look for a coarser grade coco before the Panama baby gets big enough for the bato bucket! It's still in a solo cup.
Thanks again
 
RottyRzr said:
Thanks for the reply Xtsho. That really helps give me a target EC to try. My current ec of 2.2 for the NL5 won't be used for the Panama. I'm gonna set up a separate reservoir for it.
I really like using coco and as you said its easy to change things up. I'll have to mix in a little perlite though if I use the same coco I have here. It is a finer grade than I like and I just feel the perlite is insurance it will drain better. Hmm, maybe I should look for a coarser grade coco before the Panama baby gets big enough for the bato bucket! It's still in a solo cup.
Thanks again
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You're going to enjoy that Panama once it's harvested.

Good luck.
 
Most landrace sativas also have a small root system, which is partly the reason they feed so little. I've seen Swazi gold grown in a 3 gallon pot of Coco with EC of 0.6-1.2 over the whole run and the tap root was only 7 inches long with minimal rooting.
 
There heirlooms more than landraces mate they been worked outside there original environment too much to be called true landrace regardless ace has good stuff people often make this mistake tho and as others have said already feed light too
 
conor c said:
There heirlooms more than landraces mate they been worked outside there original environment too much to be called true landrace regardless ace has good stuff people often make this mistake tho and as others have said already feed light too
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The Swazi gold wasn't purchased from a breeder, they were taken directly from source at makhava when my housemate had a contract working as a civil engineer three years ago. There is a chance could have some other genetics mixed in as there was a lot of cheese and sunset Sherbert being grown by local growers a few Kilometers away. The cross breeding was causing a lot of unrest in the villages and the growers were being violently run out due to contamination one by one. One of the local elders was in a right rage about the Dutch strains being spread as they used the landrace for spiritual ceremonies. Dudes over in Nepal at the moment and I'm hoping to get some seeds from the village he's working in.

The Laos I worked with came directly from source as well, and I'm heavily regretting crossing it with BCN critical right about now. This was the result
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Even after the cross it kept its single blade leaves during flower
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