GruberCare

Doer

Well-Known Member
Some of you, only tune in what you want to hear.. Some of you think Self Rule is a Joke. But, we know, most of Americans Know, We rule, in a lazy way.. But, we rule against this idea that we don't know what is good for the USA. WE are the USA you dumbasses. But, I can see, when this stuff comes out, why our friends abroad with no self rule, there, think, there is no self rule, here . But, you just saw it last week. And this is just the tip of the iceberg of the the Fall showing of the de-clawing of this Admin. It should be fun, unless you were duped by the liberal Press.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/10/watch-obamacare-architect-jonathan-grube
Massachusetts Institute of Technology Professor Jonathan Gruber was, by most accounts, one of the key figures in constructing the Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare. He helped designed the Massachusetts health care law on which it was modeled, assisted the White House in laying out the foundation of the law, and, according to The New York Times, was eventually sent to Capitol Hill "to help Congressional staff members draft the specifics of the legislation." He provided the media with a stream of supportive quotes, and was paid almost $400,000 for his consulting work.

Jonathan Gruber, in other words, knows exactly what it took to get the health care law passed.

"This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO [Congressional Budget Office] scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed… Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical for the thing to pass....Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not."


http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/223819-gop-lawmaker-stupidity-remark-offensive
“And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass,” Gruber said.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/11/12/obamacare-architect-take-three-a-very-clever-basic-exploitation-of-the-stupid-american-voter-158526
The latest tape, from Nov. 2012, captures Gruber talking about the “Cadillac Tax,” which targets high-end health plans.

“It’s a very clever, you know, basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the American voter,” Gruber said during a speech at the University of Rhode Island.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
what is so hard or so un-american to understand about the "pooling" effect that has been in existence since the '70's (minimally)?

that's all this is..just like when you need WC and get any without paying exorbitant fees for an individual policy..you buy into a PEO.

this is about as american as it gets!
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Gruber had this to say also

“We knew it was written in a way that it was really deliberately written to deceive the American people,” he said, adding that Republicans were hoping to repeal the “entire piece of legislation” or at least remove certain components of the law.

Anything deliberately done to deceive the public must be nullified.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
This is the third thread on Gruber's speech that he made in 2013 people. 2013 was LAST YEAR!
Why did it take a year for the fraud to be recognized?
Arrest this man, he even admitted in his apology for defrauding all of us.

Guess what will happen to Gruber?
Not a fucking thing.
just like the financial crisis..
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
So you

-turn the entire thing on its ear,

-insert secret tax from top to bottom,

-design it as a fake out,

-sell it with bait and switch lies,

-design incentives for the States to set up exchanges

- fail at that

-Ignore the rule they made themselves

-offer subsidy for anyone regardless,

-drive up cost for all, by design

-get much less than the projected participation

- shift $billions to cronies

ONLY TO GAIN MORE DEM VOTERS????

De-clawing is painful but fun
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
This is the third thread on Gruber's speech that he made in 2013 people. 2013 was LAST YEAR!
Why did it take a year for the fraud to be recognized?
Arrest this man, he even admitted in his apology for defrauding all of us.

Guess what will happen to Gruber?
Not a fucking thing.
Well these hired hack blowing the cover is always the key for the other side to put it in terms WE all understand. Rip-off

Just peachy.
 

jahbrudda

Well-Known Member
This is the third thread on Gruber's speech that he made in 2013 people. 2013 was LAST YEAR!
Why did it take a year for the fraud to be recognized?
Arrest this man, he even admitted in his apology for defrauding all of us.

Guess what will happen to Gruber?
Not a fucking thing.
Nothing may happen to Gruber but this may have deepened americas distrust further for the ACA and bring a new appetite for congress by having the will of the people to get rid of it. You never know.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Nothing may happen to Gruber but this may have deepened americas distrust further for the ACA and bring a new appetite for congress by having the will of the people to get rid of it. You never know.
You know something, the American people have to take top prize for most well lubed assholes in the world, we hardly flinch when we take a stiff one up our sphincters. We are just so apathetic sometimes.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
just like the financial crisis..
Exactly, did you see any bankers that stole billions go to jail? I sure didn't. The LIBOR manipulation was the largest financial crime ever, yet hardly anyone knows about it and the banks only get fined, so they never stop committing the crimes because no one is ever prosecuted and the fines just become a part of doing business. It is disgusting.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
You know something, the American people have to take top prize for most well lubed assholes in the world, we hardly flinch when we take a stiff one up our sphincters. We are just so apathetic sometimes.
I think we don't really care because it hurts so good. I mean really, look at the outcome. We are all stretched out and relaxed in our ocean fortress breadbasket, and armed to teeth if there is any really rough stuff.
 

jahbrudda

Well-Known Member
I think millions of americans care, I think the majority of people want the bill completely overhauled.
But short of some mass protest and march on washington, what else can they do?
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Exactly, did you see any bankers that stole billions go to jail? I sure didn't. The LIBOR manipulation was the largest financial crime ever, yet hardly anyone knows about it and the banks only get fined, so they never stop committing the crimes because no one is ever prosecuted and the fines just become a part of doing business. It is disgusting.
Well, don't fall for the Red Herring, how about? This is nothing like that, although the DemPubs always claw for the false dichotomy. This cynical manipulation of the political system, we can do something about, and just did, on the first Tuesday of November.

Our history is littered with examples of WE the People stopping the Flim-Flam. Self Rule FY!

Some examples of FD.:

False Dichotomy
"False Dichotomy: This is where you say that there are only two choices, when actually there are more. For instance, you might say that someone is either alive, or they're dead, ignoring the fact that they might be Dracula. Or you might say that if someone's not a Democrat, they must be some sort of Republican, ignoring the very real possibility that they may be Dracula."
Lore Sjöberg, Alt Text episode 5, "Logical Fallacies"

We must deal with crime on the streets before improving the schools.
Unless we increase defense spending, we will be vulnerable to attack.
If we don't drill for more oil, we will all be in an energy crisis.
Global financial manipulation is the same ramming through adverse legislation
If we don't stop global warming now, we will Kill the Civilization
If we do stop global warming now we will Kill the Civilization

Examples of Flim-Flam
too many to list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Well, don't fall for the Red Herring, how about? This is nothing like that, although the DemPubs always claw for the false dichotomy. This cynical manipulation of the political system, we can do something about, and just did, on the first Tuesday of November.

Our history is littered with examples of WE the People stopping the Flim-Flam. Self Rule FY!

Some examples of FD.:

False Dichotomy
"False Dichotomy: This is where you say that there are only two choices, when actually there are more. For instance, you might say that someone is either alive, or they're dead, ignoring the fact that they might be Dracula. Or you might say that if someone's not a Democrat, they must be some sort of Republican, ignoring the very real possibility that they may be Dracula."
Lore Sjöberg, Alt Text episode 5, "Logical Fallacies"

We must deal with crime on the streets before improving the schools.
Unless we increase defense spending, we will be vulnerable to attack.
If we don't drill for more oil, we will all be in an energy crisis.
Global financial manipulation is the same ramming through adverse legislation
If we don't stop global warming now, we will Kill the Civilization
If we do stop global warming now we will Kill the Civilization

Examples of Flim-Flam
too many to list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Nothing may happen to Gruber but this may have deepened americas distrust further for the ACA and bring a new appetite for congress by having the will of the people to get rid of it. You never know.
I'm not sure..

Every thread I've seen here has people who know nothing about it claiming what ACA does or doesn't do. Now that one of the major architects comes out and says "we lied because we knew you were dumb enough to believe it and support us" and people STILL repeat the false claims... I have little hope.

It's amazing to me "hey, could you repeat these lies for us and pretend they are facts?" "of course! cause they ARE facts!"
 

jahbrudda

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure..

Every thread I've seen here has people who know nothing about it claiming what ACA does or doesn't do. Now that one of the major architects comes out and says "we lied because we knew you were dumb enough to believe it and support us" and people STILL repeat the false claims... I have little hope.

It's amazing to me "hey, could you repeat these lies for us and pretend they are facts?" "of course! cause they ARE facts!"
Bro, the members you are refering to are the same voters Jonathan Griber was talking about.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
I think millions of americans care, I think the majority of people want the bill completely overhauled.
no, only about 30% of people do, mostly republicans.

the vast majority of people want to keep it as is or expand upon what is there.

all the polls say so, beenthere.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
The facts mean we are plenty smart enough to stop a rip-off boondoggle, if we see the facts. so they hide them.

The DEMs are the fat cat elitists that tar the others with that. The others don't count.
 
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