Gush (KushXAfGoof) \ CareFree (Early DurbanXSuper Silver Haze) Nor. Cal Medical Grow

Thanks to those on rollitup.org who have helped me in the past, much appreciate all the advice and care you guys have given me - you know who you are.

I recently received sixty clones, 36 are the CareFree which is supposed to be a pretty nice yielder, one pound per thousand watt lamp... and 24 of the AfGooXKush which I have been told is just about some of the best bud my friend has smoked, however a lower yielder.

He is currently growing both strains outside, and they look healthy and vibrant. Most excited to get started again, my last run was a bit of a disappointment for various reasons, however the one before that was simply amazing... fully exceeded my expectations which is always a nice thing. Anyone grown crosses of any of these strains? Share your experiences!

RH: 60%
Temp : 77-82 lights on.
Ph : 5.7
Medium : Sunshine #4 (had great luck with this stuff thus far! Mixed with 20% perlite)

The babies are vegging under a thousand watt lamp (I know, a waste of power, I need to get a veg area set up soon with a T5)
They are mostly pretty small, with decent root structure, and while about five of them are droopy, all seem to have rebounded quite well from the transplant into their new homes which are your basic starter pot.

Clones are smaller than the ones I am used to in the past, much smaller but it seems the leaf structure is more compact and more developed. Interested to see how long they take to veg, I'm hopeful for 14 days.

They were given a healthy dose of B1 in their first feeding, however I have not given them any veg nutes as of yet and don't plan to for at least another water - we shall see. Pictures coming soon!

I look forward to your grow. Please do post pics of your set up as well as your plants. Cant wait to see. I got the 818 kush going now. I cant wait to see these crosses grown through. I'll stay up on this..

Clones appear nice and healthy. Besides just a few of em, they are all perky and appear to be growing already which means they must be rooted I'm guessing.

I have the light about 4 foot 8 inches above the clones because they were started under t5's and I don't want to blow them out of the water with the thousand watter.

I know the rule of thumb is to get the light within 18 inches of the plant tops within six or seven day of them getting used to their new home.

If I don't see any burning should I be lowering it a few inches daily? I don't want to blast them out, so I've only needed to water twice and so far I've given them nothing but r\o water and B1 for help with the rooting process.

Just gave em their second watering, they have been in there for three days now. Weird thing about it... the surface if the SunShine wasn't even close to dry at all when I watered em, but I figured they would need a splash. I got a shit load more run off this watering than last time despite giving them less water.

It's pretty important that roots completely dry out when they are trying to get situated and start growing obviously, but I am curious if I am hindering their ability to do by watering before the SunShine is dry. Everything I read says the roots grow while drying out, but if I see no signs of over-watering I see no reason to change my watering schedule.

I used 25% perlite, and I am going to be watering these puppies more frequently this time because I have friends who keep their SunShine saturated almost at all times, and say they get a much better harvest. The medium is pretty damn forgiving for the most part, so I plan to at least model that method during flowering but am I doing a dis-service to them when I water before it's completely needed considering they are trying to root?

It sounds like you already know the correct answer, and just want verification. In case you missed it, that was it.

Yes, let them dry out between waterings. Young plants don't use nearly as much water as mature plants with heavy foliage. Your plants will tell you when they need more.

I noticed that pH of 5.7, actually right on for a hydro res, but a tad low for soil. Mid sixes is best for soil.

HTH

SunShine is Hydro so I think I am good to go! =) Thanks for the reply buddy, I am going to let them completely dry out this time.

any pics yet?

Oh, I thought Sunshine #4 was a pro-mix type soil. Are you saying that it is inert? If so, then you shouldn't let it dry out like soil. Hydro plants need to be fed regularly, and the medium remain wet. You said 20% perlite, and you haven't fed any nutes yet? How do you expect the plants to grow without nutes?

HTH

Inert... I'm not positive I know what you mean with reguards to a plant? I was just laying off the nutes for the first two waterings because they were getting about 10X more light than they ever have with this 1000 watt lamp, and I wanted to make sure I didn't over-do anything. I'll start up the nutes Sunday when I water.

So you are thinking the SunShine should always remain wet? I have friends who say you can keep it saturated almost at all times and it works out better for yield, but I figured to get them started roots wise I might want them to dry up a tad.

How does your watering system work? Flood?

I am setting up a drip system once they are a bit bigger but for now I am hand watering them tot make sure the leaves don't get wet (burning)

Within a few weeks however though it will be a drip system that waters them four times during their 12 hour lights on cycle.

Just gave da babies a nice little shower... first time they have gotten veg nutes.

Total PPM was 500 but I use tap water when I don't have time to go run and get r\o water, so 200 of those 500 PPM was accounted for by the water itself.

Does this mean that theoretically if I get reverse osmosis water next time I can give them 500 PPM of their vegging nutes as they have already taken up that without any problems?

I have the lamp 24 inches above the plants, and let me tell you... this fuckers are growing quickly! They got rooted in no time, and plenty of new leaf growth nearly everyday and that was *without* veg nutes... can't wait to see what they do in the next week.

My guess is they are ready to flower in about 9-11 days... so I figure I will transplant a week before I plan to induce flowering. Fun stuff!

Pictures to come soon.

Pretty weird ..... last night they all appeared super perky, really reaching for that light... this am I checked on em before the lights went off and alot of em were droopy. Over-watering? I've only watered three times in the last 9 days, maybe that is a bit too much even still.

Also, should be noted...the last time they were watered was Monday so it's not as if I over-watered them last night and they are showing signs of it now.

maybe underwater. Whats holding moister if they are hydro. I feed mine 3 times a day in clay pellets. You said you are not soil right. I think it would be nice to see some pics of what you are working with. Possible?

Nah, the soil-less mix is definitely pretty damn moist so it can't be under-watering. To give you an idea of the medium I am using, it looks exactly like soil, acts like soil, brown little clumps of "dirt" but it's a soil-LES mix.

I have grown before, never ran into problems with over-watering or under watering... maybe they perk back up later I'm not sure. I can post pictures soon too.

Ahh cool I know what you got. I almost used it with my last grow. I will be interested in seeing your results and how it works for you. Gl

Pretty darn weird, now they are all perked up again... maybe towards the end of their lights on cycle they just don't reach for the sun as much... kind of makes sense.

Saine~ yah, I love Sunshine. Have had nothing but good results so far. It's extremely forgiving, doesn't require constant pH checking, and you can keep the shit quite wet without worrying about root rot which is obviously a good thing.

My one complaint is that it's difficult to get rid of, you aren't supposed to just throw it back into the earth so I have to bring it to the dump for special treatment though I assume they are throwing it back into the earth as well. In any case, I enjoy growing with it.

Strange little thing I have going on here, I was thinking maybe I am over watering a bit, but maybe these ladies are just effin weird!

I am vegging right now, 18 hours on... the lights go off at 11AM and come back on at 5PM. Now when I go into work late, sometimes I peek in there just before the lights go off and the plants look sad... droopy and a tad weak.

Cue me thinking... what the hell did I do wrong? I'm doing things the same way I always have... humm..hmm....derrr...duhh...

Enter 5-6PM... I go in the room and the same plants are absolutely beautiful reaching for the lights looking strong as strong can be with very little signs of droop at all. What is going on? They don't receive water in the time I'm gone so I am a bit confused here.

Sounds like they are drying out some. My plants droop after water and look the best just before water.. Maybe?