hardening got a ? for you pro's

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UnderCoverAgentOrange

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hey all this is my 1st outdoor season and well my question is once i put them were there gonna be for the season at 1st i need to harden them due to there under florescent's problem is i can't go back daily at 1st so would using a gallon freezer bag over them like a humidity dome (opened of course ) work to help protect them and keep them a little moister as there getting situated?

plants are about 12 inches tall under a 4 light t5 setup
strain is timewreck in roots soil
 
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mae

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Can you put them outside on your back porch first?
Alternate sun and shade to acclimate them before their permanent home.
 
hitthisshit

hitthisshit

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def wouldnt put them out there in ziplock bags man. they would be dead before they even got started. you need to put them out your back step for a short time and gradually work up their outdoor time. start with like 20 min then next day go 30-35 then i like to keep them at 45min to 1 hr for atleast two consecutive days then go up to 2 hrs for a day then 4 hrs then 8 hrs once i can get 8 hrs outside a day for a couple days without any side effects ill be confident enough to transplant outdoors for good. the idea behind this it to let them get their armor built up to fight off the sun. once they are first introduced to the sun it automatically turns on in them, but it takes time to build up. so as its getting stronger you can increase the time. if you can't harden them off this way or similar you would be better off just putting them out there right into the ground. but def do not use a plastic bag on them, especially since like you said you can't go out there everyday. if you do it my way you dont have to worry about goin out in your yard looking like a fool chasing the shade around with plants in your hand. idk about you but my neighbors might think i finally lost my marbles not to mention i have done similarity tests by putting some in shade and others in full sun and working them up. for the same amounts of time for the same period of time and when it came time to transplant them outdoors the ones on my sun schedule were much stronger and more hardy. growth in the following WEEK after transplant they showed it. they clearly had the edge on the ones that got the shade. it took them another 2-3 days to get acclimated and take off.
 
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UnderCoverAgentOrange

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problem is its a good 35 minutes from the house so it's not possible for me but perhaps were there at ill see whats up appreciated guys so at the very least i should hit them with a 600w hps for a little to beef them a little more than just the flouros that would help wouldn't it obviously
 
Mr.Marijuana420

Mr.Marijuana420

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hitthisshit said:
def wouldnt put them out there in ziplock bags man. they would be dead before they even got started. you need to put them out your back step for a short time and gradually work up their outdoor time. start with like 20 min then next day go 30-35 then i like to keep them at 45min to 1 hr for atleast two consecutive days then go up to 2 hrs for a day then 4 hrs then 8 hrs once i can get 8 hrs outside a day for a couple days without any side effects ill be confident enough to transplant outdoors for good. the idea behind this it to let them get their armor built up to fight off the sun. once they are first introduced to the sun it automatically turns on in them, but it takes time to build up. so as its getting stronger you can increase the time. if you can't harden them off this way or similar you would be better off just putting them out there right into the ground. but def do not use a plastic bag on them, especially since like you said you can't go out there everyday. if you do it my way you dont have to worry about goin out in your yard looking like a fool chasing the shade around with plants in your hand. idk about you but my neighbors might think i finally lost my marbles not to mention i have done similarity tests by putting some in shade and others in full sun and working them up. for the same amounts of time for the same period of time and when it came time to transplant them outdoors the ones on my sun schedule were much stronger and more hardy. growth in the following WEEK after transplant they showed it. they clearly had the edge on the ones that got the shade. it took them another 2-3 days to get acclimated and take off.
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i beleive "hardening them off, is bullshit, i put 3 and 4 week plants outside, with no "hardening", and guess what, not a single death. out of 60 plants, uput em out, they get some sun, some wind and outdoor climate, thats all the hardening they need, u will notice some heat stress for a short while, but its not like ur plants will die, being exposed to the enviroment theyre ment to grow in, a little stress is not a bad thing in my eyes, stress helps build the plants defenses, and makes them more tolerable to stress in the future.
 
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CJS SPARTANS

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Mr.Marijuana420 said:
i beleive "hardening them off, is bullshit, i put 3 and 4 week plants outside, with no "hardening", and guess what, not a single death. out of 60 plants, uput em out, they get some sun, some wind and outdoor climate, thats all the hardening they need, u will notice some heat stress for a short while, but its not like ur plants will die, being exposed to the enviroment theyre ment to grow in, a little stress is not a bad thing in my eyes, stress helps build the plants defenses, and makes them more tolerable to stress in the future.
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He is exactly right stick those suckers outdoor, the leaves might bleached a little from the sun but its ok, what are your plans on feeding these as they get bigger?
 
southsacboy916

southsacboy916

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CJS SPARTANS said:
He is exactly right stick those suckers outdoor, the leaves might bleached a little from the sun but its ok, what are your plans on feeding these as they get bigger?
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he is not right, do NOT stick them straight outdoors unless u feel like replacing a couple plants. ive done both and hardening off is not bull shit. depending on how many hrs of light theyre getting indoors there is a possibility that they may start budding when u transplant outdoors if u go straight from inside to out. if u have them on 18hrs of light right now id scale em back to 17hrs for a couple days or so and then bring em down to 16hrs a day for another couple days. id allow the grow room inside to get a little hotter than you normally would during this time, say 80-85 degrees. once youve done all that then you can throw them outside. you want to mimic the outside environment inside so there is less stress. stress on small plants, big ones too for that matter is not good. it slows growth and too much will result in a smaller yield. sativas generally will do better just being thrown straight outdoors than indicas since indicas require a cooler environment for optimal growth. but i still say harden off as well. my plants are at 16hrs of light right now indoors and have been for a week. ill also harden them off for a week before planting next weekend. so i do a combination of both scaling back the lights and hardening off.
 
bigjim6943611

bigjim6943611

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dude they are plants put them outside and quit trippin,why would a plant need to get used to the sunlight thats where it belongs....lol,i have never ever had to harden a plant
 
scroglodyte

scroglodyte

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sun poisoning causes a lot of stress. stress costs bud. bottom line. harden them off. a shade-cloth hoop house, or something. they will thank you with more bud.
 
Mr.Marijuana420

Mr.Marijuana420

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southsacboy916 said:
he is not right, do NOT stick them straight outdoors unless u feel like replacing a couple plants. ive done both and hardening off is not bull shit. depending on how many hrs of light theyre getting indoors there is a possibility that they may start budding when u transplant outdoors if u go straight from inside to out. if u have them on 18hrs of light right now id scale em back to 17hrs for a couple days or so and then bring em down to 16hrs a day for another couple days. id allow the grow room inside to get a little hotter than you normally would during this time, say 80-85 degrees. once youve done all that then you can throw them outside. you want to mimic the outside environment inside so there is less stress. stress on small plants, big ones too for that matter is not good. it slows growth and too much will result in a smaller yield. sativas generally will do better just being thrown straight outdoors than indicas since indicas require a cooler environment for optimal growth. but i still say harden off as well. my plants are at 16hrs of light right now indoors and have been for a week. ill also harden them off for a week before planting next weekend. so i do a combination of both scaling back the lights and hardening off.
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funny i have yet to replace any plants. opinions are opinions, and every1 does shit differently, i wont argue that ur plants will be stressed throwing them outside, but IMO, is not that big of a deal, they may slow growth for a short while, but then continue growth as normal. my plants doubled in size 10-12 days after being put out, this doesnt seem like putting them out "stunted" them in the least in the least bit, and we had 4 straight nights in the lower 40's after being put out. as i said we all have our way of doing thing, i have lost NO plants from putting them straight out. the ill affects i saw from being put straight out, were minimal at best. im simply providing how i do things with my grow, we need both schools of thought for ppl who arent sure to decide. i just dnt think u absolutely NEED to harden them off, its kinda like the flushing arguement, ppl say u need to , while others say its unecessary, and harmful to the plant in its final weeks.
 
sonar

sonar

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I don't harden plants off. I do scale back the lights to 16/8 though to try to limit stretch. I would say if it is practical for you, like if you were growing in your backyard, then yeah go for it. If not, just stick those suckers out. It won't be the end of the world.
 
southsacboy916

southsacboy916

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well i replace slow growing plants, i didnt say they would die. n i also didnt say u absolutely had to harden them off. if u read my post u will see that i said if u scale back the lights indoors to about 16 hours a day then u prob wont encounter too much of a problem. im always more worried about plants beginning to bud early more so than heat stress although the heat will kill a plant fast too. i guess it depends on how hot it gets where ur at. but the ill effects from a plant beginning to flower are great enough for me to replace them. it could cost u weeks if ur plant has to re-veg so why risk it? if ur gonna throw em straight out definately need some burlap shade cloth at the very least imo. and ya plants are meant to be under the sun but when u have them indoors they get used to that environment. if u start a seed outdoors its different but when going from indoors to outdoors i think its best to harden off. if plants are meant to be under the sun then why do u start em indoors anyways? y not just plant seeds in the ground?
 
BadAndy

BadAndy

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CJS SPARTANS said:
He is exactly right stick those suckers outdoor, the leaves might bleached a little from the sun but its ok, what are your plans on feeding these as they get bigger?
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this is exactly correct...when you put your plants out they will turn a lighter green and then acclimate to the weather Ive grown alot of outdoors and never really had a serious problem with it unless youre expecting a frost in the near future.
 
Alter Ego

Alter Ego

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Lol, as soon and my seeds pop, I throw them outside in the searing Texas sun...they take it like a champ and grow up to impervious to be almost anything.

Throw them outside, put a few cups of water around them and they will be fine.
 
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shizz

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i put them under a hps. for week and that seems to help beofre they go out. i wouldnt put out littel plants from under cfl
 
Mr.Marijuana420

Mr.Marijuana420

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southsacboy916 said:
well i replace slow growing plants, i didnt say they would die. n i also didnt say u absolutely had to harden them off. if u read my post u will see that i said if u scale back the lights indoors to about 16 hours a day then u prob wont encounter too much of a problem. im always more worried about plants beginning to bud early more so than heat stress although the heat will kill a plant fast too. i guess it depends on how hot it gets where ur at. but the ill effects from a plant beginning to flower are great enough for me to replace them. it could cost u weeks if ur plant has to re-veg so why risk it? if ur gonna throw em straight out definately need some burlap shade cloth at the very least imo. and ya plants are meant to be under the sun but when u have them indoors they get used to that environment. if u start a seed outdoors its different but when going from indoors to outdoors i think its best to harden off. if plants are meant to be under the sun then why do u start em indoors anyways? y not just plant seeds in the ground?
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scaling ur light down to prevent early flowering, and hardening ur plants before putting them out are completely different. and also even if i didnt scale my lights down, i put them out in mid may, y would they flower, i used a 16/8 cycle to start. put them out when outside hrs were around 14, and going up, soon theyll be at 15, at most ill get preflowers, which isnt bad cuz i can get the males out early, and then the preflowers will die, from the light hrs continously going up, and they will continue vegging, theres no reveg
 
hitthisshit

hitthisshit

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Mr.Marijuana420 said:
i beleive "hardening them off, is bullshit, i put 3 and 4 week plants outside, with no "hardening", and guess what, not a single death. out of 60 plants, uput em out, they get some sun, some wind and outdoor climate, thats all the hardening they need, u will notice some heat stress for a short while, but its not like ur plants will die, being exposed to the enviroment theyre ment to grow in, a little stress is not a bad thing in my eyes, stress helps build the plants defenses, and makes them more tolerable to stress in the future.
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CJS SPARTANS said:
He is exactly right stick those suckers outdoor, the leaves might bleached a little from the sun but its ok, what are your plans on feeding these as they get bigger?
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hardening off is bullshit? leaves bleached? won't die? waste of time? I find it comical how in almost all the posts saying hardening off is waste of time, but yet they still list some side effects, i.e stress.... sure your plants won't fucking die, severe cases yes they will. going from fluro tubes or low wattage cfls to full sun full time? you wont lose any huh? well, what fucking strain is that? cuz i'd sure like to save time on hardening too, so if there is a strain out there thats so fucking hardy please do, share with us all. Now, back to the original argument. as mentioned they wont die atleast not all of them or maybe none of them in best case scenario. but also like stated it will invoke stress upon them. yes some stress is good for them, but i think and im sure others do that being grown outdoors for a grow season will put enough stress on them, don't you? if not, where do you grow? I wanna grow there. now, stress, what do we know about stress? stress can cause males, hermies, even death. now stressing the shit out of them more than you absolutely need to I would consider a bit wreckless. do you want to go out one day and find a hermie that pollinated everything in that grow? a hermie that possibly could've been prevented by not stressing them like that?? I sure don't like to push my luck. especially when I gotta pay for all that shit. soil,ammendments,fertilizers,carry all that fucking water, (water is heavy), my time needed to take care of them, buying the seed, everything costs money, by throwing them straight out into the great outdoors you increase the odds of males and hermies. why would one want to increase an already high male to female ratio? unless you have a mother plant and can root clones like a mofo that alot of wasted time tending to males and hermies you could have possibly had as females..

p.s I am in no way mocking anybodies way of doing things, this is just my thoughts on the matter. so please nobody be offended, this is purely constructive criticism.
 
Mr.Marijuana420

Mr.Marijuana420

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hitthisshit said:
hardening off is bullshit? leaves bleached? won't die? waste of time? sometimes I wonder just where some of the moderator's and these user's with all this rep come from? Do you guys just play tag with some buddies to get your rep up? How much do YOU GUYS really know? I find it comical how in almost all the posts saying hardening off is waste of time, but yet they still list some side effects, i.e stress.... sure your plants won't fucking die, severe cases yes they will. going from fluro tubes or low wattage cfls to full sun full time? you wont lose any huh? well, what fucking strain is that? cuz i'd sure like to save time on hardening too, so if there is a strain out there thats so fucking hardy please do, share with us all. Now, back to the original argument. as mentioned they wont die atleast not all of them or maybe none of them in best case scenario. but also like stated it will invoke stress upon them. yes some stress is good for them, but i think and im sure others do that being grown outdoors for a grow season will put enough stress on them, don't you? if not, where do you grow? I wanna grow there. now, stress, what do we know about stress? stress can cause males, hermies, even death. now stressing the shit out of them more than you absolutely need to I would consider a bit wreckless. do you want to go out one day and find a hermie that pollinated everything in that grow? a hermie that possibly could've been prevented by not stressing them like that?? I sure don't like to push my luck. especially when I gotta pay for all that shit. soil,ammendments,fertilizers,carry all that fucking water, (water is heavy), my time needed to take care of them, buying the seed, everything costs money, by throwing them straight out into the great outdoors you increase the odds of males and hermies. why would one want to increase an already high male to female ratio? unless you have a mother plant and can root clones like a mofo that alot of wasted time tending to males and hermies you could have possibly had as females..
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u clearly know it all huh? and also throwing them straight out increases male and hermies. hmm i bet many others could argue with that. ur one of the guys who think transplants cause hermies to huh. oh yea all that rep, which isnt all that much, yea all gained from a rep thread, u got it, just had to be cool and and get it up there for the folks at the forum to ooo and aahh me. i clearly have no viable knowledge, and yet, theres a whole big group of ppl who would stand my side and agree with what ive said. what i post, is through my EXPERIENCES, with growing, not just some relayed bullshit i heard in a different thread, thats seems more ur take
 
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