HELLTH Canada new Privacy Breach filed

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Gatorgold

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Friends here is a copy of my Privacy Breach complaint to the Federal privacy commisoner today. I also filed it with all the law firms involved with the Class Action privacy breach lawyer involved in the last mass mailout privacy breach. Feel free to file your own complaint with the PC office. I have also filed it with the veterans group that recently had their dosage and coverage dramatically reduced, by the federal government based on manipulated data found in the guidelines for authorization of cannabis for medical use published by our wonderful friends at the College of Family Physicans of Canada.

Feel free to use this complaint as a template to file your own complaint. As there is always strength in numbers.

Cheers Scott
 

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thats some pretty heavy stuff. I hope you win your case
the government messes every thing up they touch,
I havent had the luxury of having a family doctor, to get a proper prescription as there is a doctor shortage in the town i live in,in BC. but thats the way she goes, could always be alot worse.
 
Angus Hung said:
thats some pretty heavy stuff. I hope you win your case
the government messes every thing up they touch,
I havent had the luxury of having a family doctor, to get a proper prescription as there is a doctor shortage in the town i live in,in BC. but thats the way she goes, could always be alot worse.
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Yes finding a doctor in BC where I live too is a big problem, as well if you read the those guidelines for " authorizing " use you will see why most doctors are reluctant to sign, or if they do, all you will get is a max of 3 grams at maybe a THC level of 9%. Unless you got a well educated doc like mine that refuses to be bullied by the College or Health Canada. Also Angus always remember doctors cannot prescribe this medicine, the can only "authorize use", although most docs are lead to believe they are prescribing. So the big lie continues my friend.
 
Gatorgold said:
Yes finding a doctor in BC where I live too is a big problem, as well if you read the those guidelines for " authorizing " use you will see why most doctors are reluctant to sign, or if they do, all you will get is a max of 3 grams at maybe a THC level of 9%. Unless you got a well educated doc like mine that refuses to be bullied by the College or Health Canada. Also Angus always remember doctors cannot prescribe this medicine, the can only "authorize use", although most docs are lead to believe they are prescribing. So the big lie continues my friend.
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Thanks for posting! Here's my position, right or wrong, and I'm not budging. Given that I have a right to autonomy and given that cannabis is not a prescribed medication, then add in the fact that the courts have determined i have a right to use cannabis as medicine, I don't need to ask some quack's permission.
I think this covers it....
Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a constitutional provision that protects an individual's autonomy and personal legal rights from actions of the government in Canada. There are three types of protection within the section, namely the right to life, liberty, and security of the person.
 
VIANARCHRIS said:
Thanks for posting! Here's my position, right or wrong, and I'm not budging. Given that I have a right to autonomy and given that cannabis is not a prescribed medication, then add in the fact that the courts have determined i have a right to use cannabis as medicine, I don't need to ask some quack's permission.
I think this covers it....
Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a constitutional provision that protects an individual's autonomy and personal legal rights from actions of the government in Canada. There are three types of protection within the section, namely the right to life, liberty, and security of the person.
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You are welcome. You are right of course in your logic on your charter rights as that as how we won the Allard case we started with John Conroy QC and as former Executive Director & cofounder of the Coalition to Against Repeal , with one exception. That is if the RCMP come and you have no license registered properly for your production site, you will, lose everything after you are SWAT teamed. You may win at court, but it is highly unlikely as the Crown will say there is a viable program called the ACMPR you should of used, and then of course Trudeau has not removed the mandatory minimums that Harper put in, so you could get up to 14 years in jail. Add to that your 100k legal bill and I would say, you would be pretty well hooped for life!!
 
Gatorgold said:
You are welcome. You are right of course in your logic on your charter rights as that as how we won the Allard case we started with John Conroy QC and as former Executive Director & cofounder of the Coalition to Against Repeal , with one exception. That is if the RCMP come and you have no license registered properly for your production site, you will, lose everything after you are SWAT teamed. You may win at court, but it is highly unlikely as the Crown will say there is a viable program called the ACMPR you should of used, and then of course Trudeau has not removed the mandatory minimums that Harper put in, so you could get up to 14 years in jail. Add to that your 100k legal bill and I would say, you would be pretty well hooped for life!!
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I'm mmar so I'm good for now. The problem with your argument is you assume that a doctor's permission and disclosing personal health information to a hostile government department is a necessary part of the process and I say it isn't. I do not see any doctor for any reason. I also don't recall seeing a mandatory government registration for insulin users. I ain't gonna ask permission to exercise my right to autonomy over life, liberty and security of the person. The 'viable program' is inaccessible without doctor involvement and therefore does not respect my rights. The threat of jail and massive legal bills is a non-issue, imo. They aren't going to convict someone with a medical need for producing for themselves. It'll be legal for everyone to grow in less than a year, so as long as you aren't selling for a living or giving little Johnny a bag, you have nothing to worry about, imho. I hope I never have to test my theory, but if they ever try to fuck with the remaining mmar, that's my defense.
On a side note; apparently, V. i .a .g .r .a is a banned word on RIU...who knew? lol
 
VIANARCHRIS said:
I'm mmar so I'm good for now. The problem with your argument is you assume that a doctor's permission and disclosing personal health information to a hostile government department is a necessary part of the process and I say it isn't. I do not see any doctor for any reason. I also don't recall seeing a mandatory government registration for insulin users. I ain't gonna ask permission to exercise my right to autonomy over life, liberty and security of the person. The 'viable program' is inaccessible without doctor involvement and therefore does not respect my rights. The threat of jail and massive legal bills is a non-issue, imo. They aren't going to convict someone with a medical need for producing for themselves. It'll be legal for everyone to grow in less than a year, so as long as you aren't selling for a living or giving little Johnny a bag, you have nothing to worry about, imho. I hope I never have to test my theory, but if they ever try to fuck with the remaining mmar, that's my defense.
On a side note; apparently, V. i .a .g .r .a is a banned word on RIU...who knew? lol
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Well as long as your MMAR is at the address on the original issue of your license and valid between grandfathered dates of Sept 2013 - April 2014 you are good. If not you fall into the same situation I just outlined. One call from someone that doesn't like you etc. to the police and they call the 24 hr hotline to Health Canada see if a license is registered to that address, and if not then you get to "test your theory". I have seen a few misguided people using MMAR licenses not at original address, and shit will hit the fan for them soon. Be careful. I would never take that risk, that's why I converted to an ACMPR at 200 grams per day.
 
VIANARCHRIS said:
I'm mmar so I'm good for now. The problem with your argument is you assume that a doctor's permission and disclosing personal health information to a hostile government department is a necessary part of the process and I say it isn't. I do not see any doctor for any reason. I also don't recall seeing a mandatory government registration for insulin users. I ain't gonna ask permission to exercise my right to autonomy over life, liberty and security of the person. The 'viable program' is inaccessible without doctor involvement and therefore does not respect my rights. The threat of jail and massive legal bills is a non-issue, imo. They aren't going to convict someone with a medical need for producing for themselves. It'll be legal for everyone to grow in less than a year, so as long as you aren't selling for a living or giving little Johnny a bag, you have nothing to worry about, imho. I hope I never have to test my theory, but if they ever try to fuck with the remaining mmar, that's my defense.
On a side note; apparently, V. i .a .g .r .a is a banned word on RIU...who knew? lol
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Additionally, I work with John Turmel who is currently defending many who have been convicted and sent to prison who had so called expired MMAR licenses or at wrong address, so don't be so sure you are safe , unless of course you are using a properly grandfathered MMAR license. Trust me, I have worked directly with Conroy & Tousaw who is my personal lawyer, and I am very well versed in law and they would say you are taking a HUGE risk. Just trying to be helpful dude, not judging you at all.
 
Chris has been around for a while so I'd say he knows whether or not his MMAR is valid, but I totally see what your saying, it's good advice.
 
Ask them why Health Canada is involved in any way, considering there is no medicine involved. Where's the DIN? It's an exemption from marijuana laws right? When did Health Canada start enforcing marijuana laws? Should only be the Justice Dept. When you get to court, if you ever do, ask them about that.

Nobody has to register with HC when they start using opioids, an actual medicine with a DIN. I don't get how they're involved in any way, unless of course it's a real medicine, which they have yet to concede. If there's no medicine involved then a) why would there be a prescription involved, and b) why would the Health Dept be involved? Let's hear them squirm to answer that.

Logically, since peyote and khat are legal, in plant form rather than pure active ingredient form, then herbal Cannabis should be equally legal and only pure THC illegal. Or are powerful hallucinogenic and stimulant plants okay but mild sedative/euphoriant ones need to be completely banned? How can they explain that? The ingredient in khat is methamphetamine with one extra oxygen atom attached, same effects but slightly weaker. Nobody has to register with anyone to grow a bunch of peyote cactus or khat, at least peyote for sure, and for the express purpose of getting wasted, not even for medicine. See they refused to make peyote legal under a religious exemption, because that would open up other drugs wanting the same religious exemption. So they just plain made it completely legal just to avoid that.
 
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Gatorgold said:
Well as long as your MMAR is at the address on the original issue of your license and valid between grandfathered dates of Sept 2013 - April 2014 you are good. If not you fall into the same situation I just outlined. One call from someone that doesn't like you etc. to the police and they call the 24 hr hotline to Health Canada see if a license is registered to that address, and if not then you get to "test your theory". I have seen a few misguided people using MMAR licenses not at original address, and shit will hit the fan for them soon. Be careful. I would never take that risk, that's why I converted to an ACMPR at 200 grams per day.
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And those peeps who can't find a doctor are supposed to do what?
 
BobCajun said:
Ask them why Health Canada is involved in any way, considering there is no medicine involved. Where's the DIN? It's an exemption from marijuana laws right? When did Health Canada start enforcing marijuana laws? Should only be the Justice Dept. When you get to court, if you ever do, ask them about that.

Nobody has to register with HC when they start using opioids, an actual medicine with a DIN. I don't get how they're involved in any way, unless of course it's a real medicine, which they have yet to concede. If there's no medicine involved then a) why would there be a prescription involved, and b) why would the Health Dept be involved? Let's hear them squirm to answer that.

Logically, since peyote and khat are legal, in plant form rather than pure active ingredient form, then herbal Cannabis should be equally legal and only pure THC illegal. Or are powerful hallucinogenic and stimulant plants okay but mild sedative/euphoriant ones need to be completely banned? How can they explain that? Nobody has to register with anyone to grow a bunch of peyote cactus or khat, at least peyote for sure, and for the express purpose of getting wasted, not even for medicine. See they refused to make peyote legal under a religious exemption, because that would open up other drugs wanting the same religious exemption. So they just plain made it completely legal just to avoid that.
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Wow...impressed bob.
 
WHATFG said:
Wow...impressed bob.
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It can be condensed to a simple question, if Cannabis has no DIN and is therefore not recognized by the Health Dept as a medicine then why are they involved at all? Tell them you need it to keep yourself from eating peyote, a much more dangerous plant, which inexplicably is completely legal. That's a valid legal argument, I legitimately require Cannabis to suppress the urge to eat peyote. I had to choose the lesser of two evils and concluded that Cannabis was it. I had to use an illegal plant to protect myself from a more dangerous legal one. It was all about self preservation, Your Honor. The Justice Dept didn't keep me safe from peyote so I had to take appropriate action myself.
 
Gatorgold said:
I have seen a few misguided people using MMAR licenses not at original address, and shit will hit the fan for them soon.
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I am mmar and legal, but I'm not at the original address. Another fallacy. I appreciate your point of view, but I would argue that, too. Every Canadian citizen has a right to reside anywhere in this country he or she decides. There is absolutely nothing in our constitution that limits that for mmj patients. I do not give up my right to move freely due to my choice in medicine. Given that my mmar is valid and Health Canada refuses to acknowledge our existence, registering a new address is impossible. Shit is NOT going to hit the fan unless you are a commercial grower/seller
 
Interesting facts about DINs in Canada from page https://www.canada.ca/en/health-can...s/fact-sheets/drug-identification-number.html.

When is a DIN issued?
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Once a drug has been authorized, Health Canada issues a DIN which permits the manufacturer to market the drug in Canada. For drugs where there is minimal market history in Canada, there is a more stringent review and the drug is required to have a Notice of Compliance (NOC) and a DIN in order to be marketed in Canada.

What purpose does a DIN serve?
A DIN lets the user know that the product has undergone and passed a review of its formulation, labeling and instructions for use. A drug product sold in Canada without a DIN is not in compliance with Canadian law. The DIN is unique and serves as a tool to help in the follow-up of products on the market, recall of products, inspections, and quality monitoring.

Do DINs only appear on prescription drugs?
No. A DIN is assigned to all authorized prescription and over-the-counter drugs.

Can a product classified as a drug be sold without a DIN?
No. If a product defined as a drug under the Food and Drugs Act is sold without a DIN, it is not in compliance with Canadian law and regulatory action will be taken.

Do I need a DIN to sell a drug product in Canada?
Yes. If a product defined as a drug under the Food and Drugs Act is sold without a DIN, it is not in compliance with Canadian law.
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Okay so apparently Cannabis is not a drug then. In that case it must be a "natural heath product". Under Canadian law, to sell a NHP you need a license. Do you suppose Canopy and the others who are selling dope got such a license? I find it unlikely, considering they would have provided such information as;
  • (f) the recommended conditions of use for the natural health product;

  • (g) information that supports the safety and efficacy of the natural health product when it is used in accordance with the recommended conditions of use;

  • (h) the text of each label that is proposed to be used in conjunction with the natural health product;

  • (i) a copy of the specifications to which the natural health product will comply; and

  • (j) one of the following attestations, namely,
    • (i) if the natural health product is imported, an attestation by the applicant that the natural health product will be manufactured, packaged, labelled, imported, distributed and stored in accordance with the requirements set out in Part 3 or in accordance with requirements that are equivalent to those set out in Part 3, or

    • (ii) if the natural health product is not imported, an attestation by the applicant that the natural health product will be manufactured, packaged, labelled, distributed and stored in accordance with requirements set out in Part 3.
Obviously if they gave that information and it was accepted by HC then HC would be admitting that Cannabis has medical efficacy. Above text from http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2003-196/page-2.html#h-3 The LPs are complying with none of the requirements for NHPs, or your package would have labels with information on them. It's just completely illegal as it is. HC is ignoring their own licensing regs in this one particular case. How can they justify that? Either regs are for all or none. Their motive is obvious though, to avoid admitting that Cannabis is a medicine, because then the game would be over, wouldn't it.

They might say that anything on the restricted substances list isn't eligible for a license. Well, what is Canopy selling it as then? If it's not as a medical drug or a NHP then what the hell is it supposed to be that they are offering for sale to the public, to anyone who pays $150 to a cyber doctor?
 
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BobCajun said:
Ask them why Health Canada is involved in any way, considering there is no medicine involved. Where's the DIN? It's an exemption from marijuana laws right? When did Health Canada start enforcing marijuana laws? Should only be the Justice Dept. When you get to court, if you ever do, ask them about that.

Nobody has to register with HC when they start using opioids, an actual medicine with a DIN. I don't get how they're involved in any way, unless of course it's a real medicine, which they have yet to concede. If there's no medicine involved then a) why would there be a prescription involved, and b) why would the Health Dept be involved? Let's hear them squirm to answer that.

Logically, since peyote and khat are legal, in plant form rather than pure active ingredient form, then herbal Cannabis should be equally legal and only pure THC illegal. Or are powerful hallucinogenic and stimulant plants okay but mild sedative/euphoriant ones need to be completely banned? How can they explain that? The ingredient in khat is methamphetamine with one extra oxygen atom attached, same effects but slightly weaker. Nobody has to register with anyone to grow a bunch of peyote cactus or khat, at least peyote for sure, and for the express purpose of getting wasted, not even for medicine. See they refused to make peyote legal under a religious exemption, because that would open up other drugs wanting the same religious exemption. So they just plain made it completely legal just to avoid that.
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Hey Bob, I agree with your statements very much. But I can answer why to some of your legal questions. First off your right home grown and LP grown cannabis are not considered medicine and have no DIN. But synthetic cannabinoids like Cesamet aka ( Nabilone ) and Sativex are considered medicine, because they have been threw clinical trials and are made by Big Pharma. There is NO prescription involved at all, only an authorization to use, doctors cannot prescribe it, but most people think they are. Right it is an exemption from the criminal CDSA. Health Canada does NOT enforce the laws, only law enforcement does that. But our government saw fit to hand the exemption process onto Health Canada who wrote the MMAR/MMPR/ ACMPR. People have tried religious exemption of cannabis in courts and failed in the past to establish that right. But other drugs like Ayhuasca does qualify for a religious exemption. The best reasoning I can come up with in regards why you don't have to register to use khat or peyote is they are illegal substances. And the best reason why the big deal over cannabis is two fold in my opinion. 1. It is a severe threat to Big Pharma, because they cannot patent it, and because it can knock out a whole host of their medications, from expensive anti seizure medications, Alzheimer's etc. meds right down to the over the counter meds such as Tylenol, aspirin and ibuprofen. And no one has ever died from it. You cannot even say that about Aspirin which has caused many deaths. 2. They have lied about this plant medicine since at least the 1930's and the demonized it. So that's a lot of back tracking for them. Remember REEFER MADNESS was not so long ago. It's also been called the gateway drug and that lie has been disproven too. So that's my take on it. In reality an authorization to use, should be a simple 1 page form. But by placing it under doctors as gatekeepers that allowed Big Pharma to control the narrative to this day.
 
BobCajun said:
It can be condensed to a simple question, if Cannabis has no DIN and is therefore not recognized by the Health Dept as a medicine then why are they involved at all? Tell them you need it to keep yourself from eating peyote, a much more dangerous plant, which inexplicably is completely legal. That's a valid legal argument, I legitimately require Cannabis to suppress the urge to eat peyote. I had to choose the lesser of two evils and concluded that Cannabis was it. I had to use an illegal plant to protect myself from a more dangerous legal one. It was all about self preservation, Your Honor. The Justice Dept didn't keep me safe from peyote so I had to take appropriate action myself.
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Again I agree with your logic, but our government and law enforcement don't.
 
VIANARCHRIS said:
I am mmar and legal, but I'm not at the original address. Another fallacy. I appreciate your point of view, but I would argue that, too. Every Canadian citizen has a right to reside anywhere in this country he or she decides. There is absolutely nothing in our constitution that limits that for mmj patients. I do not give up my right to move freely due to my choice in medicine. Given that my mmar is valid and Health Canada refuses to acknowledge our existence, registering a new address is impossible. Shit is NOT going to hit the fan unless you are a commercial grower/seller
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Again I also agree with your overall point of view. But as I said the government doesn't. I can put you in contact with Turmel, and he will show you dozens of people arrested and charged doing what your doing with the different address. That argument has failed in court, as the crown as mentioned earlier will say there is a valid exemption program called the ACMPR and they will say you should of used it. You will counter couldn't find a doctor to sign, they will say prove it, and if you cannot and did not make the effort you are hooped. And if you are growing 6 plants you will qualify for a mandatory minimum of 6 months. Over that it scales up to 14 years. TRudeau has said he will remove mandatory minimums, but that remains to be seen. In the interim, as mentioned if you get caught you lose everything under proceeds of crime, plus a big legal bill, and its very unlikely to you would win. Dude I am totally on your side, just trying to show you the legal reality of yours and others situation, and I am NOT trying to dissuade you from doing what you are doing.
 
BobCajun said:
Interesting facts about DINs in Canada from page https://www.canada.ca/en/health-can...s/fact-sheets/drug-identification-number.html.


Okay so apparently Cannabis is not a drug then. In that case it must be a "natural heath product". Under Canadian law, to sell a NHP you need a license. Do you suppose Canopy and the others who are selling dope got such a license? I find it unlikely, considering they would have provided such information as;
  • (f) the recommended conditions of use for the natural health product;

  • (g) information that supports the safety and efficacy of the natural health product when it is used in accordance with the recommended conditions of use;

  • (h) the text of each label that is proposed to be used in conjunction with the natural health product;

  • (i) a copy of the specifications to which the natural health product will comply; and

  • (j) one of the following attestations, namely,
    • (i) if the natural health product is imported, an attestation by the applicant that the natural health product will be manufactured, packaged, labelled, imported, distributed and stored in accordance with the requirements set out in Part 3 or in accordance with requirements that are equivalent to those set out in Part 3, or

    • (ii) if the natural health product is not imported, an attestation by the applicant that the natural health product will be manufactured, packaged, labelled, distributed and stored in accordance with requirements set out in Part 3.
Obviously if they gave that information and it was accepted by HC then HC would be admitting that Cannabis has medical efficacy. Above text from http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2003-196/page-2.html#h-3 The LPs are complying with none of the requirements for NHPs, or your package would have labels with information on them. It's just completely illegal as it is. HC is ignoring their own licensing regs in this one particular case. How can they justify that? Either regs are for all or none. Their motive is obvious though, to avoid admitting that Cannabis is a medicine, because then the game would be over, wouldn't it.

They might say that anything on the restricted substances list isn't eligible for a license. Well, what is Canopy selling it as then? If it's not as a medical drug or a NHP then what the hell is it supposed to be that they are offering for sale to the public, to anyone who pays $150 to a cyber doctor?
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