Help my 2 week old plants are drooping...14 plants plz help

Drbigcolas

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OK here is as much information as i can give. I grow in a basement. Temps stay between 76 and 80 degrees with humidity 28% to 45% in the area right at the plants. I have a 400 watt hps in a closet and i have 250 watt mh along with floro's in a bathroom converted to a grow room. I have had two successful previous grows in the same areas. My plants when left under my inside lights will wilt to the point that it looks like the plant is going to die. I get scared for it's life and move it outside during the day and within 1 to 2 hours they make full recoveries. I'm usuing Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil. Age old grow nutes ...so far only fed once at 1/4 strength. even my little seedlings that havent been fed nutes yet are doing the same thing....the soil never feels to wet or to dry. Here is a picture of one of the plants about 10 mins ago plz someone help i have a hundred dollors worth of seeds invested in this grow. i have set 2 plants outside this evening to see if they recover outdoors during night hours. but still even if they recover it seems like they go right back to wilting and looking like crap within a couple hours of being inside.


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Drbigcolas

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I am going to set all 14 plants outside tomorrow so they can all recover a bit...then i am going to transplant them into new soil....at this point all i can think is maybe i got a bad bag of soil? I purchased this bag of soil about a month ago at my local hydroponics store. Maybe something is wrong/bad with the soil i purchased?? This crap is driving me crazy...i'm a caregiver and i have patients that rely on my marijuana for there medicine. Good thing last harvest was good enough to provide to my patients for a few months. still i hate to see 14 rooted plants all grown from expensive seeds die. any help or ideas to kick around would be great. By the looks of the plants i would think possible overwater...but the soil isn't to wet. I let the soil dry out some between waterings. Watering/not watering doesnt seem to make any difference to the plants. They love direct sunlight outdoors and seem to recover completely within 1 to 2 hours of being outside. I have been told to leave them in my grow rooms to stress out and after they adapt they will recover...but i swear that if i did that they would just die. I am not in a good area to grow outside. its risky business to even drag 14 of these little 8" pots outside. When they are moved to 5 gallon buckets it will be impossible to take them outside. I need to get to the bottom of this before my neighbors realize i'm growing pot lol.
 
maybe mh light too close to plants?? only a guess without seeing setup. hope it helps, lookin like a nice plant otherwise
 

Drbigcolas

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The 250 watt MH light is about 20 inches above plants...far enough away that the temps at the tops of plants are less then 80 degrees. i have also placed some of the plants under the hps to see if it changes things and it doesnt. the 400 watt hps is 18 inches above plants with a 480 cfm air cooled hood with a 160 cfm assist fan. also have cool air entering the room and plenty of exhaust air leaving the area. i use a hygrometer with a 10 foot probe that i set at the top of the plants to measure actual temps at the plants and its always under 80 degrees and never colder then 76 degrees. The light outdoors seems alot more intense and hot. During the day outside temps are in the 90s and humidity is LOW. my indoor climate seems a little cooler with a little more humidity...which i would have assumed the plants would like more. maybe these plants like scorching temps and zero humidity lol
 

SmeLLyTreeZ

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Your overwatering from the looks of it! I did the same thing with the same soil, ffof retains water for a while until your plants grow nice roots! I would back off on the nutesand water. are you checking the ph of your water? How often are you watering.? Its not the soil..
 

Drbigcolas

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ph of my water is 6.7 to 6.9 and the same with my soil. I am watering every 3 or 4 days..they dry out a little faster since they have been placed outside daily for the last two weeks to keep them from wilting over and dying. its the only way i can keep them from looking like this. i watered this plant tonight cause the soil felt dry a few inches down..I stuck my finger in the soil untill i started feeling roots and the soil was dry about 2 inches down. 3 to 4 days of being outside without water and these 8" pots are bone dry. I have brought them inside dry and get the same wilting thing within a few hours. always by morning time they look like this...dry soil wet soil doesnt seem to effect their wilting. I only used nutes 1 time and it was at 1/4 strength or less. says to use 1 to 2 tablespoons per gallon and i used 1/4 of a tablespoon along with a two drops of superthrive a couple days ago during the last watering. this has been hapening for a couple weeks now. I have just been moving them outside to recover daily. I have been told to just let them stress in the grow area and they should come around...does this sound smart to do? A "master gardener" gave me this advice. i really think the wilting would get so bad that the plants would drop leaves and die. what really confuses me is i had 2 previous grows with the same setup and temps and soil just different strains of mj that never had any issues like this....plus this is happening to all 14 plants i currently have and i am trying different grow rooms,lights, humidity, temps, waterings, with some of the plants to see if i can get one of the 14 plants to grow right. still no luck. maybe i smoke so much weed inside my house that my plants are stoned from contact high lol j/k
 

oonzpoonz

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Looks like overwatering to me, but you said you water them every 4 days? You could try completely drying them out, starve em a bit.

What I'd do is pick up the plants daily until they're extremely light, which means theres no water... then wait maybe anther day and then water em. Also, I'd lower the light...Don't MH emit less heat? (noob question haters gonna hate)
 

Drbigcolas

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K will do, i'll dry them out real real good. My 400 watt HPS is cooled with inline fans in and out. my MH is not cooled at all besides a oscalating fan. the hps would be a little hotter but just because it's a higher wattage. with the cooling it produces alot less heat then my MH...but as you can see my MH is self made with a metal paint tray as a reflector lol. they are both HID lights. My cfl's stay real cool though. Winter is coming so when it gets cold outside i'll be able to turn off my AC and get the humidity up more to like 50% RH
 

Drbigcolas

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Here is some picture today after a few hours outside in the dog kennel/carrier. Notice how they have already started recovering and standing their leaves back up...it was 94 degrees today with LO humidity outside and they are loving it.

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Drbigcolas

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I have just fed the larger ones at less then 1/4 strength nutes only 1 time so far and this problem has been going on before they were fed. and your saying light is shocking them? so basically your saying my indoor lights are stronger then the sun? outside the sun beats down on them and they come back to life. I'm gonna go with the overwater suggestion earlier in the post. My lights are definatly not the problem and niether is the 1/4 teaspoon full of nutes and 2 drops of superthrive i gave the bigger ones. Don't think nute and light burn looks like this, but thanks for the suggestion
 

Drbigcolas

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I'm just reporting back in with you all who have read this post... I got my growroom temps down to 75 degrees and my RH to 50% with a cool mist humidifier...took my 14 plants outside almost daily and let the soils dry way out between waterings. None of these things seemed to make much difference except taking the plants outside. I took them outside for 12 hours in the morning and then back inside for another 12 hours at night 24/0 schedule...after six hours inside the plants would severly wilt. so i changed my light schedule from 24/0 to 18/6 slowly over a week. I droped the temps in the room to low 60's during dark hours..made my bedroom cold but with the 18/6 schedule and the low dark time temps they all have adjusted to staying indoors for the entire time. i am now at week 7 veg and usuing full strength nutes and finally these girls are taking off and growing good. i'll post some pics here tonight when the lights come on. i will prolly start flowering the 3 biggest in a week while i transplant the others to 5 gallon buckets and let them veg for 3 more weeks. Flowering one Ice and 2 feminized Blackberry at the end of this week stay tuned :)
 
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