hermie!

Hello! This is my first post here, I'm a relatively new grower. have been grow adjacent for a long time but this is my first time holding the reins, and making the decisions instead of just following some one elses itinerary. Lots of never before thought of things i had to learn about, ie negative and positive g*&D*&m pressure. lol ANYWAYS-
I have been growing a couple seeds i got from a hermied headband plant, aware that supposedly they will have a higher likelihood to herm. this big lovely beautiful headband plant showed a few sets of bananas today. Only on the bottom bud sites and only on this one branch. I immediately removed affected area as well as all lower bud sites leaving only the top bud site on each branch and with those I went thro and clipped any swollen(actually all of em i could find tbh) calyx or whatever those are called. Is there any chance I nipped that problem in the bud so to speak. I dont think that this psuedo science im hoping for is a thing in the real world, and that plants destiny may be the landfill.

Pics!
And sometimes only one branch, or even only one budsite puts out nanners/sacs, so yes, there is a chance you caught it early enough.
What is your growing environment like? What medium? Was there any stress on the plant?
Were there any seeds in the swollen calyxes?

so unfortunately I already removed all the affected bud sites, but I think i can get the bud sites out and take pics of them and the plant as a whole. I currently created a little area for it by itself with a spare light i had. Its strange because, and knock on wood and pray to the weed gods, but the other two plants i had from clone(apollo and critical sensi) I have in that tent both dont seem to have hermied. one has its own issues but so far herm isnt one of em. but I'll get some pics up for ya if you want. I appreciate your input!!

soil, no stress that i can think of. its in a gorilla tent that I keep buttoned up pretty tiight at night. that being said it is near the air intake which is a 4 in vonrado fan snugged into the seal fabric of the tent and pulled as far awayfrom the tent as it goes. I guess some light possibly got in thro there, ill have to check tonight. I keep it around low 80s(supposedly with blackdog led they say to run the room more like 84 due to the light spectrum running cooler than hps) usually humidity around 40% sometimes slightly lower occasionally around 50 % but usually right at 40. they are day 24 or something like that of flower. right at the start of week 4

CanadianJim said:

Pics!
And sometimes only one branch, or even only one budsite puts out nanners/sacs, so yes, there is a chance you caught it early enough.
What is your growing environment like? What medium? Was there any stress on the plant?
Were there any seeds in the swollen calyxes?

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so unfortunately I already removed all the affected bud sites, but I think i can get the bud sites out and take pics of them and the plant as a whole. I currently created a little area for it by itself with a spare light i had. Its strange because, and knock on wood and pray to the weed gods, but the other two plants i had from clone(apollo and critical sensi) I have in that tent both dont seem to have hermied. one has its own issues but so far herm isnt one of em. but I'll get some pics up for ya if you want. I appreciate your input!!

soil, no stress that i can think of. its in a gorilla tent that I keep buttoned up pretty tiight at night. that being said it is near the air intake which is a 4 in vonrado fan snugged into the seal fabric of the tent and pulled as far awayfrom the tent as it goes. I guess some light possibly got in thro there, ill have to check tonight. I keep it around low 80s(supposedly with blackdog led they say to run the room more like 84 due to the light spectrum running cooler than hps) usually humidity around 40% sometimes slightly lower occasionally around 50 % but usually right at 40. they are day 24 or something like that of flower. right at the start of week 4


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It's okay if you don't have pics, they just usually lead to more and more accurate responses.
If you can post a whole plant pic it can sometimes give and indication of any stresses the plant is under.
At this point, in your position I would just watch that plant like a hawk for nanners or pollen sacs and pick them off as they form. Some guys toss possible herms as soon as they think they see a nanner, but they're mostly growing for sale.
As for swollen calyxes, try poking a pin or needle in there. If there is a seed forming it'll stop the pin. Remember, in the last couple weeks of flower we want the calyxes to swell.
Light stress can cause nanners, but it usually has to be intermittent, or random. Something that is consistent is less likely to cause a herm.
Good luck, let us know how it goes.

CanadianJim said:

Pics!
And sometimes only one branch, or even only one budsite puts out nanners/sacs, so yes, there is a chance you caught it early enough.
What is your growing environment like? What medium? Was there any stress on the plant?
Were there any seeds in the swollen calyxes?

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also no actual seeds, one brach I believe a couple different bud sites all lower down, and I lollipoped each branch leaving only the top bud. fingers crossed. Ive been wanting to put some pics up but my phone is destroyed and i cant even make phone calls, let alone take pictures. so no pics till tomorrow,

CanadianJim said:

It's okay if you don't have pics, they just usually lead to more and more accurate responses.
If you can post a whole plant pic it can sometimes give and indication of any stresses the plant is under.
At this point, in your position I would just watch that plant like a hawk for nanners or pollen sacs and pick them off as they form. Some guys toss possible herms as soon as they think they see a nanner, but they're mostly growing for sale.
As for swollen calyxes, try poking a pin or needle in there. If there is a seed forming it'll stop the pin. Remember, in the last couple weeks of flower we want the calyxes to swell.
Light stress can cause nanners, but it usually has to be intermittent, or random. Something that is consistent is less likely to cause a herm.
Good luck, let us know how it goes.

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thank you so much for your input. truly appreciated. I'm watching that thing very closely and made a seperate little area for it. there were no seeds so far, just nanners. sorry i hadnt seen your second post until after i sent the message directly before this one lol

CanadianJim said:

It's okay if you don't have pics, they just usually lead to more and more accurate responses.
If you can post a whole plant pic it can sometimes give and indication of any stresses the plant is under.
At this point, in your position I would just watch that plant like a hawk for nanners or pollen sacs and pick them off as they form. Some guys toss possible herms as soon as they think they see a nanner, but they're mostly growing for sale.
As for swollen calyxes, try poking a pin or needle in there. If there is a seed forming it'll stop the pin. Remember, in the last couple weeks of flower we want the calyxes to swell.
Light stress can cause nanners, but it usually has to be intermittent, or random. Something that is consistent is less likely to cause a herm.
Good luck, let us know how it goes.

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SO so far i have continued bud development, and to be honest i think that when I removed all those lower sites it spurred some serious trich production. I cant find any naners, or calyxes that look questionable(I removed any calyx i could easily find and get at and some not so easily found lol, not sure if that is a smart move but i figured along with removing all surrounding sites to stymie the situation maybe if i remove the calyxes im removing the ability to fill them with nanners. hahaha i know that theres obviously cayxes i just am referring to the lone guys on the stalk from where i removed bud sites and the ones at the base of each bud site. i actually first noticed the nanners just barely noticable, way down on the stalk on a removed bud site, and then found a few more in the very lowest bud site or two.) I digress annnywaays: theyve continued growing but filled out a touch more and got super frosty. im still phoneless but when i return from the store today ill post some pictures. the rest of the tent is apparently not affected? fingers crossed,knock on wood, etc, but havent shown any signs and are chugging along nicely. just thought Id put something up about the goings on
hope youre having a nice day!

LOFTYVISION said:

SO so far i have continued bud development, and to be honest i think that when I removed all those lower sites it spurred some serious trich production. I cant find any naners, or calyxes that look questionable(I removed any calyx i could easily find and get at and some not so easily found lol, not sure if that is a smart move but i figured along with removing all surrounding sites to stymie the situation maybe if i remove the calyxes im removing the ability to fill them with nanners. hahaha i know that theres obviously cayxes i just am referring to the lone guys on the stalk from where i removed bud sites and the ones at the base of each bud site. i actually first noticed the nanners just barely noticable, way down on the stalk on a removed bud site, and then found a few more in the very lowest bud site or two.) I digress annnywaays: theyve continued growing but filled out a touch more and got super frosty. im still phoneless but when i return from the store today ill post some pictures. the rest of the tent is apparently not affected? fingers crossed,knock on wood, etc, but havent shown any signs and are chugging along nicely. just thought Id put something up about the goings on
hope youre having a nice day!

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Excellent, I'm glad they're going well!

I have another question. loads of em actually, but ill def keep a watchful eye over her, but at any point can i sit back a little and take solace in the fact theyre past the danger zone of continuing to herm? or is that now just a thing that can happen whimsically now that its shown inclinations of wanting to herm?

CanadianJim said:

Excellent, I'm glad they're going well!

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I have another question. loads of em actually, but ill def keep a watchful eye over her, but at any point can i sit back a little and take solace in the fact theyre past the danger zone of continuing to herm? or is that now just a thing that can happen whimsically now that its shown inclinations of wanting to herm? Also here are some pics of the headband. If theres anything in particular that i missed in the pic let me know and i can send more. I'm super pumped on this pheno, or at least was, look how think that stalk grew. did mild Kushman Chiropracting(shout out to kyle kushman for all his informative vids, especially the chiropracting) so that aided in the branches getting notty and thick; but that girl just is thicker than a snickers. unfortunately or fortunately i guess it depends on how you look at it, i had to lollipop all the branches so i removed about half if not 2/3rds of the flower sites.
day just about a month in switched dec 19
10 gallon smart pot

Some growers keep having problems with herms all through their grows, for others it's more of an isolated incident. I cant tell you which you're likely to have, so I would keep watching. That will also help you catch any nute imbalances if they crop up, so kind of a mixed blessing I guess.

CanadianJim said:

Some growers keep having problems with herms all through their grows, for others it's more of an isolated incident. I cant tell you which you're likely to have, so I would keep watching. That will also help you catch any nute imbalances if they crop up, so kind of a mixed blessing I guess.

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right on. again thank you for your input!

CanadianJim said:

Some growers keep having problems with herms all through their grows, for others it's more of an isolated incident. I cant tell you which you're likely to have, so I would keep watching. That will also help you catch any nute imbalances if they crop up, so kind of a mixed blessing I guess.

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Ok canadian jim so far so good, she still seems to be just that; a female not a herm. embarrassed to say that i even messed up and bumped the timer thats for my headhand time out room, till i figured out what it was going to do, and it turned on about 1/3 of the way thro the dark cycle and wouldve stayed on all the way till morning and almost certainly switched to veg if i didnt notice that it came on way before the others. For some reason i popped my head in when i went to hit the head to make sure they were all tucked in and sleeping and caught it. It was on for about an hour, but its still trucking right along. that was 3 or 4 days ago and she has continued vigorous growth and bud development. ANYWAYS, lol sorry I'm long winded, but I'm wanting to move it back in the big tent with my other two monsters but I'm hesitant. The problem im running into is the temp home the headband in isnt exactly the best. I am working on turning my extra tall closet into a veg on top and a flower down beneath but still have light proffed the barrier so I'm cutting my seedlings light cycle short worrying about the headband in the area beneaths dark cycle. i know that theres no definitive answer to this, but in your best opinion do you think i can put it back in the big tent? Like if it started to herm again how long do i have from once the process begins to when it can be potentially damning to my other plants?
Again sorry for my long windedness. just trying to be thorough in my explanation. haha
Have a nice day!
Also what part of canada are you from? I grew up in northern michigan about 1 1/2 hours from the sault. Family has a deer camp over on st joesephs island spent most my summers up there. beautiful part of the word

So long as you're vigilant, you should be good. It takes a while for pollen sacs to develop enough to drop pollen, but I'm not so sure about nanners. I've never seen anything about how long it takes them to start producing viable pollen.
I guess it depends on how worried you are about her going hermie again, and how much you care about seeds. I don't mind a seed or two in my weed, but if you're growing for sale that could harm your reputation. There is also the fact that it takes a while for seeds to form. If you're in the last couple of weeks of flowering they don't really have time to become noticeable before you chop anyway.
If you want to move her back to the big tent, go for it. If you check her over often enough you should have time to catch any nanners before they cause any damage. Lol, you could always see if there are any old hippies around looking for seeded weed.
I'm a ways south of the Sault, down on the shores of Lake Ontario. I've been up around Bracebridge at a friend's cottage, and around North Bay, but not to the Sault itself. When I was in the military they re-organized the units so the ones up around there were connected to us, so they had to bus down for some training exercises, but we never made it up there before they changed things again. Some crazy guys up there, lol.
I'm glad your plants are coming along well. You're looking at about another 4 or 5 weeks on the headband, right?

CanadianJim said:

So long as you're vigilant, you should be good. It takes a while for pollen sacs to develop enough to drop pollen, but I'm not so sure about nanners. I've never seen anything about how long it takes them to start producing viable pollen.
I guess it depends on how worried you are about her going hermie again, and how much you care about seeds. I don't mind a seed or two in my weed, but if you're growing for sale that could harm your reputation. There is also the fact that it takes a while for seeds to form. If you're in the last couple of weeks of flowering they don't really have time to become noticeable before you chop anyway.
If you want to move her back to the big tent, go for it. If you check her over often enough you should have time to catch any nanners before they cause any damage. Lol, you could always see if there are any old hippies around looking for seeded weed.
I'm a ways south of the Sault, down on the shores of Lake Ontario. I've been up around Bracebridge at a friend's cottage, and around North Bay, but not to the Sault itself. When I was in the military they re-organized the units so the ones up around there were connected to us, so they had to bus down for some training exercises, but we never made it up there before they changed things again. Some crazy guys up there, lol.
I'm glad your plants are coming along well. You're looking at about another 4 or 5 weeks on the headband, right?

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yeppers, she is headband, and youre absolutely right about the sault area. lol I used to party with some if the locals on st joes who just grew up in the sticks, have ENORMOUS bonfires and drink enough to kill small mammals. i thought id just include pics of my modest little persy/experimental grow. so the first pic is headband lower left apollo at the top and critical sensi in the bottom right(recovering from nute burn) theyre almost a month in to the day. flower began 12/19. the second pic are 3 headbands that I was a dick to. in veg i tried alot of different nutrients and would flush it and try other shit, lots of stress testing and pushing theyre threshold; so the fact that theyre alive with flowers on em is saying something. at the last minute, about a week into flower i decided to try a scrog type thing lol

CanadianJim said:

So long as you're vigilant, you should be good. It takes a while for pollen sacs to develop enough to drop pollen, but I'm not so sure about nanners. I've never seen anything about how long it takes them to start producing viable pollen.
I guess it depends on how worried you are about her going hermie again, and how much you care about seeds. I don't mind a seed or two in my weed, but if you're growing for sale that could harm your reputation. There is also the fact that it takes a while for seeds to form. If you're in the last couple of weeks of flowering they don't really have time to become noticeable before you chop anyway.
If you want to move her back to the big tent, go for it. If you check her over often enough you should have time to catch any nanners before they cause any damage. Lol, you could always see if there are any old hippies around looking for seeded weed.
I'm a ways south of the Sault, down on the shores of Lake Ontario. I've been up around Bracebridge at a friend's cottage, and around North Bay, but not to the Sault itself. When I was in the military they re-organized the units so the ones up around there were connected to us, so they had to bus down for some training exercises, but we never made it up there before they changed things again. Some crazy guys up there, lol.
I'm glad your plants are coming along well. You're looking at about another 4 or 5 weeks on the headband, right?

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I'll try and resend that first pic as a different quality. it came out horrible lol