How do you determine if a light is bad or not, let's hear it!

ryan1918

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I'm curious how people would determine if a light was bad and I don't mean by telling by how many hours its been running, but with if the light was no good to begin with unless you grew I don't see of any way of telling, I know most people only do 1 grow, other's do 3 grow's and I'm sure it could vary on the light, but what makes a light output go down the usage of it? What I'm getting at is what if a brand new bulb was only outputting say 10% of what it's supposed to because something in it isn't working correctly, I've also used lux meter on my phone but I don't know how accurate those can be I guess it can give you an idea.

Also not only that but how much do you think it takes away from a light when say the bulb, or the hood(glass) is dirty, how many of you actually clean your light bulbs and glass during cycle, I know some places would be dusty then others but I do know some dust build up when a grow is done so I'm wondering if it's ever worth cleaning it say middle of the cycle or monthly.. any tips is appreciated and they is a million things that could change your grow and this is one of them I think alot of people don't notice.

How much of the actual light is the glass blocking, IE: If it's removed, I know I've seen almost double on the lux meter when it's removed from say a sun hood, the only downside to that is it does get hotter and you can't keep the lights as close.

I've also heard that cooling your room is better then cooling your lights because the heat from your lights is actually what increases the growth on the plants, does anyone have any idea if that could be true or not?

Thanks and happy growing from michigan!
 

Igotthe6

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Ok.I clean my light. I use nothin but hortilux,I know they have what you call quality control. AlwaysI buy from the same guy.. Gotta be some trust somewhere.Always a gold stamp on my bulbs.
 

Igotthe6

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As far as heat goes,it's ambient temp that increases growth rate so the source is moot. It can be your house heat,a heat bulb,an oil filled radiator....it don't care what the source is.
 

ryan1918

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Ok.I clean my light. I use nothin but hortilux,I know they have what you call quality control. AlwaysI buy from the same guy.. Gotta be some trust somewhere.Always a gold stamp on my bulbs.
well my point is not about the quality of the brand but let's say after they do QC and you get the bulb and something happen in shipping which damaged it so it don't preform anywhere near it should, has anyone ever used a lux meter to test them out? I know the ipower bulbs don't go anywhere near what they claim them to be
 

hondagrower420

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well my point is not about the quality of the brand but let's say after they do QC and you get the bulb and something happen in shipping which damaged it so it don't preform anywhere near it should, has anyone ever used a lux meter to test them out? I know the ipower bulbs don't go anywhere near what they claim them to be
Get a par meter. And test it.

Glass on / glass off
New bulb / old bulb

The answer to your question is par meter.

A lux meter reads a different spectrum. Get a par meter.
 

ryan1918

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As far as heat goes,it's ambient temp that increases growth rate so the source is moot. It can be your house heat,a heat bulb,an oil filled radiator....it don't care what the source is.
I wish you could see a side by side of your bulb vs say a ipower same strains and same factors
 

hondagrower420

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One measure lux, which is just brightness.

Par measures light between a certain spectrum and is a more accurate way to measure light that plants actually use.

A lux meter will work. It will let you know if the bulb isn't as bright. But doesn't measure affective light for plants.
 

SPLFreak808

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If you are used to growing with HID's, you could probably tell something is off just by looking in the room.

A dirty glass dims the light down noticeably, that shit should be clear and look like you have no glass installed with the lights on.
An old hps bulb starts to look as if it lacks some green or maybe a higher spectrum, more of a dark orange red tinge but im used to looking at eye hortilux bulbs, im sure other "cheap" hps bulbs could easily be defective ect.
 

ryan1918

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One measure lux, which is just brightness.

Par measures light between a certain spectrum and is a more accurate way to measure light that plants actually use.

A lux meter will work. It will let you know if the bulb isn't as bright. But doesn't measure affective light for plants.
oh okay now I get it thank you. you learn a new thing every day that's what I love about this
 

hyroot

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So I'm not understanding the difference between the two?
Lux - lumens - visible light to the human eye.

Par - photosynthetically active radiation - the number of photons produced by a light source between 400 nm and 700 nm

Cri - color rendering index - the higher the cri the more even the spectral output.
 

hondagrower420

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Lux - lumens - visible light to the human eye.

Par - photosynthetically active radiation - the number of photons produced by a light source between 400 nm and 700 nm

Cri - color rendering index - the higher the cri the more even the spectral output.
 

hyroot

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Plant Lighting Fundamentals

Since light plays such a critical role in a plants successful growth it’s important to have the proper quality and quantity of light available to the plant as it needs it. Insufficient light levels will reduce a plants overall weight and develop symptoms of stress, decreased nodule density and smaller leaves. While too much light can damage the plant from excessive IR heat radiation or extreme UV radiation.

While a plant benefits to some degree from the light wavelengths or spectra that the eye see’s, plants respond best to spectral regions at the outer edges of peak human vision. If the artificial light spectrum is narrowly emitted or missing altogether, then the plants will not develop to its fullest leafy vegetative or bulky flowering stages that natural sunlight would have intended.

Standard visual measurements used for classifying visible light levels and color temperatures, such as Kelvin, CRI, Lux, Foot Candles or Lumens, are not entirely applicable when selecting or measuring plant lighting. For example; Kelvin temperatures are used to describe the color of light within our visible spectrum. Growers who may be overly influenced by a lamps Kelvin rating and visible color may believe that their plants PAR needs have been entirely met. However with the two charts shown below we demonstrate how Kelvin temperatures and visible light have little contributive influence on the plants maximum PAR regions of UV and IR light. Kelvin values were first developed to allow artists, photographers window dressers, etc. as a way of communicating how something will look under different temperature lamps. Kelvin ratings have no absolute spectral values in determining if that rating will benefit a plants PAR requirements. To a grower, a Kelvin rating should be used as a ballpark indicator of how much red or blue light is being emitted within the visible range and not for an indication of PAR Value.

The chart below depicts the electromagnetic spectrum of light wavelengths from the low level ultraviolet (UV) on into the infrared (IR) wavelengths. Measured in nanometers, the wavelengths consist of both visible and invisible light. Of particular importance to plants would be wavelengths within spectrums known as the PAR regions which are mostly outside of our visible light regions. While plants do benefit to a small degree from the wavelengths within our visible spectrums, plants respond best to PAR wavelengths within the UV and IR regions outside of our visible light ranges.
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As it relates to proper light selection we’ll introduce you to the importance of two biological reactions that occur within a plant; Photosynthesis and Photomorphogenesis. Plants absorb light by a green pigment within the plant known as chlorophyll. When chlorophyll absorbs light and turns it into energy it is through a chemical process within the plant called Photosynthesis. As Photosynthesis occurs, the wavelength spectrum that is most beneficial to plant growth is found within certain areas between the 380-720 nanometer range of the spectrum. The light that is within this region is referred to as Photosynthetically Active Radiation (PAR).

A plants spectral lighting needs will change as it grows. Since spectrum plays an important part in the success of the plants growth developmental bioligists refer presence of these light mediated changes that the plant absorbs through a variety of receptors Photomorphogenesis.

As shown within the chart below, you can see the average PAR ranges for most plants that should be available for maximum chlorophyll absorption. Within these ranges plants will respond very well to the emitted light wavelengths.

Chlorophyll Absorption Chart

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When measuring light QUANTITY for a plant we look to measure how many PHOTONS, (the minimum unit of energy involving light) that are emitted from the lampare falling each second within a square meter. Photons are such a small unit of measurement that they are referred to as MICROMOLES OF PHOTONS or more often just MICROMOLES to describe a measurement of how many photons are arriving at a plants surface from the emitted light source. For reference 2000 micromoles would be a sunlight level measurement of light.

Of most value to the grower and his plant would be the number of photons being measured at the plant, per second, per square meter, within the PAR ranges of 380-720 nanometers. This value is then known as the PHOTOSYNTHETIC PHOTON FLUX DENSITY (PPFD) level that can be measured in the field for lamp intensity.

Meters that measure these (PPFD) values are often referred to as QUANTUM METERS since a quantum is the amount of energy carried by a photon. These meters will provide entire spectrum measurements of the total number of photons per second values as well as measure the YIELD PHOTON FLUX (YPF) of the lamp which is as we’ve seen by the plants photomorphogenis requirements will assist the grower in identifying that the lamp has the proper PAR spectrum for maximum photosynthetic repsonse at that stage of plant growth.

Another way growers like to measure light for plants is by PAR WATTS. What this refers to is how much light energy is available between the 400-700 nanometer ranges that the plant requires for Photosynthesis. What is extremely important to know the efficiency of the lamp being considered. Growers should be careful when considering these values and not to correlate higher PAR WATT values with more successful yields since with energy efficient lighting such as induction the PAR Watts per Square foot may measure 70% less than an HID and while still delivering micromoles in excess of the HID within the plants PPF and YPF requirements. As such we publish our lamp output values in Watts/Region values which allows the consumer to see how much energy the lamp emits in the three regions of greatest importance to known photosynthetic response.
 

hondagrower420

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There are 2 spectral peaks for photosynthesis.

One for photosynthesis A and the other is photosynthesis B.

I don't know the exact nm for them.

The more light at these spectral points is what Plants care about.

Plants don't "see/use" the same light as humans.
 

hondagrower420

Well-Known Member
Plant Lighting Fundamentals

Since light plays such a critical role in a plants successful growth it’s important to have the proper quality and quantity of light available to the plant as it needs it. Insufficient light levels will reduce a plants overall weight and develop symptoms of stress, decreased nodule density and smaller leaves. While too much light can damage the plant from excessive IR heat radiation or extreme UV radiation.

While a plant benefits to some degree from the light wavelengths or spectra that the eye see’s, plants respond best to spectral regions at the outer edges of peak human vision. If the artificial light spectrum is narrowly emitted or missing altogether, then the plants will not develop to its fullest leafy vegetative or bulky flowering stages that natural sunlight would have intended.

Standard visual measurements used for classifying visible light levels and color temperatures, such as Kelvin, CRI, Lux, Foot Candles or Lumens, are not entirely applicable when selecting or measuring plant lighting. For example; Kelvin temperatures are used to describe the color of light within our visible spectrum. Growers who may be overly influenced by a lamps Kelvin rating and visible color may believe that their plants PAR needs have been entirely met. However with the two charts shown below we demonstrate how Kelvin temperatures and visible light have little contributive influence on the plants maximum PAR regions of UV and IR light. Kelvin values were first developed to allow artists, photographers window dressers, etc. as a way of communicating how something will look under different temperature lamps. Kelvin ratings have no absolute spectral values in determining if that rating will benefit a plants PAR requirements. To a grower, a Kelvin rating should be used as a ballpark indicator of how much red or blue light is being emitted within the visible range and not for an indication of PAR Value.

The chart below depicts the electromagnetic spectrum of light wavelengths from the low level ultraviolet (UV) on into the infrared (IR) wavelengths. Measured in nanometers, the wavelengths consist of both visible and invisible light. Of particular importance to plants would be wavelengths within spectrums known as the PAR regions which are mostly outside of our visible light regions. While plants do benefit to a small degree from the wavelengths within our visible spectrums, plants respond best to PAR wavelengths within the UV and IR regions outside of our visible light ranges.
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As it relates to proper light selection we’ll introduce you to the importance of two biological reactions that occur within a plant; Photosynthesis and Photomorphogenesis. Plants absorb light by a green pigment within the plant known as chlorophyll. When chlorophyll absorbs light and turns it into energy it is through a chemical process within the plant called Photosynthesis. As Photosynthesis occurs, the wavelength spectrum that is most beneficial to plant growth is found within certain areas between the 380-720 nanometer range of the spectrum. The light that is within this region is referred to as Photosynthetically Active Radiation (PAR).

A plants spectral lighting needs will change as it grows. Since spectrum plays an important part in the success of the plants growth developmental bioligists refer presence of these light mediated changes that the plant absorbs through a variety of receptors Photomorphogenesis.

As shown within the chart below, you can see the average PAR ranges for most plants that should be available for maximum chlorophyll absorption. Within these ranges plants will respond very well to the emitted light wavelengths.

Chlorophyll Absorption Chart

View attachment 3593297

When measuring light QUANTITY for a plant we look to measure how many PHOTONS, (the minimum unit of energy involving light) that are emitted from the lampare falling each second within a square meter. Photons are such a small unit of measurement that they are referred to as MICROMOLES OF PHOTONS or more often just MICROMOLES to describe a measurement of how many photons are arriving at a plants surface from the emitted light source. For reference 2000 micromoles would be a sunlight level measurement of light.

Of most value to the grower and his plant would be the number of photons being measured at the plant, per second, per square meter, within the PAR ranges of 380-720 nanometers. This value is then known as the PHOTOSYNTHETIC PHOTON FLUX DENSITY (PPFD) level that can be measured in the field for lamp intensity.

Meters that measure these (PPFD) values are often referred to as QUANTUM METERS since a quantum is the amount of energy carried by a photon. These meters will provide entire spectrum measurements of the total number of photons per second values as well as measure the YIELD PHOTON FLUX (YPF) of the lamp which is as we’ve seen by the plants photomorphogenis requirements will assist the grower in identifying that the lamp has the proper PAR spectrum for maximum photosynthetic repsonse at that stage of plant growth.

Another way growers like to measure light for plants is by PAR WATTS. What this refers to is how much light energy is available between the 400-700 nanometer ranges that the plant requires for Photosynthesis. What is extremely important to know the efficiency of the lamp being considered. Growers should be careful when considering these values and not to correlate higher PAR WATT values with more successful yields since with energy efficient lighting such as induction the PAR Watts per Square foot may measure 70% less than an HID and while still delivering micromoles in excess of the HID within the plants PPF and YPF requirements. As such we publish our lamp output values in Watts/Region values which allows the consumer to see how much energy the lamp emits in the three regions of greatest importance to known photosynthetic response.
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