How much does aeroponics increase results?

Helmut79

Helmut79

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This is a question for growers that grow over average results.

Since you started doing aero, how big of an increase did you see in your results?

It is well known that Co2 can increase yield up to 40% if done correctly. Most get about 20% increase.

What can be expected when going aero, if done right? :)
 
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Anothermeduser

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Aero can be quick, most of the aero i see is packed to tight above and below, only way to run them is mediumless as any medium slows uptake, water only is the best way. One can get explosive growth if you know how, but like said many ways to fail and it comes down to system design, having failsafes built in can save shit.. power outage wont wipe shit out as no lights no need much water, a pump failure leaves you crying in the corner, i started running 2 pumps per table once i dried my tears, failsafes warm the heart. I have made a few post awsering your aero questions but usually delete them.
 
jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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Helmut79 said:
This is a question for growers that grow over average results.

Since you started doing aero, how big of an increase did you see in your results?

It is well known that Co2 can increase yield up to 40% if done correctly. Most get about 20% increase.

What can be expected when going aero, if done right? :)
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It isn't worth the hassle, if it was, commercial growers would use it. Most people growing aero just like to tinker.
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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The main reason for aero v dwc is the outboard rez allows for ease of checking pH & PM (which should be a daily check) as well as cleaning, replenishing, and replacing nutes
 
Kid Kannabi5

Kid Kannabi5

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Aeroponics is for cloning, people! Unless you are just experimenting with a few plants. Not a practical way to farm crops of quality cannabis! Sorry. Tried almost everything and I use DWC or soiless mix. Depending on time of year, how i feel, and obviously if it's outdoor vs indoor. Those are the two grow methods I have had the best quality and yields. Great fertilizer combo helps a lot too.
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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Atomizer said:
Run aero drain to waste and you dont have to worry about any of that malarky.
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Totally true but when doing lpa (longer on cycle, more spray in the root chamber), you would go through a lot of nutrients.

IME, D2W is not necessary throughout veg and into ~ first month of flower, but after that, D2W is a vg idea as the plant starts eliminating a lot of waste through the root system, which reeks havoc in the rez chemistry
 
Kid Kannabi5

Kid Kannabi5

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PetFlora said:
Totally true but when doing lpa (longer on cycle, more spray in the root chamber), you would go through a lot of nutrients.

IME, D2W is not necessary throughout veg and into ~ first month of flower, but after that, D2W is a vg idea as the plant starts eliminating a lot of waste through the root system, which reeks havoc in the rez chemistry
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How would that use any more nutrients? Even if it did, those would be nutrients the plant needed anyway. Right? You fill your res with whatever base and any additives u use plus a ph adjuster (probably). Regardless, your plants are going to absorb the available nutrients they need. The rest cycle around the reservoir until plant intake. My point is if you are spacing that cycle timer so far in between cycles to try and save nutrients, you are just starving your ladies, and stunting your roots. More spray in the root chamber is a good thing. Spaced cycles would keep it cooler though. That is why I thought you were doing it that way. If you are going to cycle your pump. Tighten up ur cycles. Alot. Idk? Like 5min on 2min off. Just to keep roots cool. Root zone 65 degrees F. is perfect. Try to never go over 70F. For roots sake. Change your nutrients weekly. If when you fill res and mix nutes say at 900 ppm or whatever. Your plants will use what they need through that week. Check the ppms in your res at next weeks res nutrient refill b4 you change. There might be 150ppm left. Ur plants will take what they need. Don't try to limit the food they get. They are not on a diet. You want fat bitches. I mean set nutrients to the desired ppm and let em have it. Your ppm will drop through the week as plants eat, and your ph will rise because the plants are eating the nutrients that bring the ph down in the first place. Oh, and fuck drain to waste. Sounds wasteful. Lol
 
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Atomizer

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Put a months worth of your meals into a tote and return what you dont eat to the tote, dont wash your plate between meals..thats the equivalent of a recirculated res ;) If plants could pick and choose what they took from a res you wouldnt need to worry about ph, EC or the elemental make up. The solution PH depends on its makeup, the direction of ph swing depends on the plants. PH will rise as plants remove nitrate in veg, it will fall when they remove potassium in bloom. The ph imbalance goes back to the recirc res, with dtw the imbalance goes out with the runoff. PH adjustment usually involves phos acid and potassium hydroxide which will increase P and K respectively (ph up and down affects the elemental makeup). With DTW you dont need to add anything, the elemental content remains the same for the life of the res, you simply replace it when its gone. Maintenance wise, recirc is a pita with daily checks and adjustments. Ultimately you have to guess when to dump a recirculated res or dump it on a set schedule. The first thing most folks do when noticing a slight issue with the plants is to dump and replace the entire res just to be safe...now thats wasteful ;)
If you wait for a 900ppm res to drop to 150ppm the micro`s will be long gone, The plants will try to make up the deficeit from the fresh res which will leave it short.
The point is a recirculated res starts to become an unknown quantity from day one and only gets worse the longer its in use. A DTW res is a known quantity until its gone. If you dump 70gal of recirculated nutes a week, you can run 10gal a day dtw and waste exactly the same amount. The dtw will be less work and provide better results.
 
Kid Kannabi5

Kid Kannabi5

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Atomizer said:
Put a months worth of your meals into a tote and return what you dont eat to the tote, dont wash your plate between meals..thats the equivalent of a recirculated res ;) If plants could pick and choose what they took from a res you wouldnt need to worry about ph, EC or the elemental make up. The solution PH depends on its makeup, the direction of ph swing depends on the plants. PH will rise as plants remove nitrate in veg, it will fall when they remove potassium in bloom. The ph imbalance goes back to the recirc res, with dtw the imbalance goes out with the runoff. PH adjustment usually involves phos acid and potassium hydroxide which will increase P and K respectively (ph up and down affects the elemental makeup). With DTW you dont need to add anything, the elemental content remains the same for the life of the res, you simply replace it when its gone. Maintenance wise, recirc is a pita with daily checks and adjustments. Ultimately you have to guess when to dump a recirculated res or dump it on a set schedule. The first thing most folks do when noticing a slight issue with the plants is to dump and replace the entire res just to be safe...now thats wasteful ;)
If you wait for a 900ppm res to drop to 150ppm the micro`s will be long gone, The plants will try to make up the deficeit from the fresh res which will leave it short.
The point is a recirculated res starts to become an unknown quantity from day one and only gets worse the longer its in use. A DTW res is a known quantity until its gone. If you dump 70gal of recirculated nutes a week, you can run 10gal a day dtw and waste exactly the same amount. The dtw will be less work and provide better results.
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I probably am wasteful then. A recirculating system kinda scares me anyway. Even rdwc. I stick to individual dwc buckets. If pump fails while I'm at work, bye bye. I set and forget every 7 days. Advanced nutes. No ph slide in 7 days. Each week I redo ro water, ppm, and ph. Best results ive ever had in my 21 years of growing is dwc with advanced nutes. Im glad you guys are getting such good results with the aeroponics in flower. Happy hydro! (or aero)
 
Kid Kannabi5

Kid Kannabi5

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Have used homemade full scale systems and had more issues than results. Now i still use aero. Only for my clones though. Then to dwc and soilless mix in pots or bags. I do both side by side in the same garden.20180803_072144.jpg
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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Atomizer said:
Put a months worth of your meals into a tote and return what you dont eat to the tote, dont wash your plate between meals..thats the equivalent of a recirculated res ;) If plants could pick and choose what they took from a res you wouldnt need to worry about ph, EC or the elemental make up. The solution PH depends on its makeup, the direction of ph swing depends on the plants. PH will rise as plants remove nitrate in veg, it will fall when they remove potassium in bloom. The ph imbalance goes back to the recirc res, with dtw the imbalance goes out with the runoff. PH adjustment usually involves phos acid and potassium hydroxide which will increase P and K respectively (ph up and down affects the elemental makeup). With DTW you dont need to add anything, the elemental content remains the same for the life of the res, you simply replace it when its gone. Maintenance wise, recirc is a pita with daily checks and adjustments. Ultimately you have to guess when to dump a recirculated res or dump it on a set schedule. The first thing most folks do when noticing a slight issue with the plants is to dump and replace the entire res just to be safe...now thats wasteful ;)
If you wait for a 900ppm res to drop to 150ppm the micro`s will be long gone, The plants will try to make up the deficeit from the fresh res which will leave it short.
The point is a recirculated res starts to become an unknown quantity from day one and only gets worse the longer its in use. A DTW res is a known quantity until its gone. If you dump 70gal of recirculated nutes a week, you can run 10gal a day dtw and waste exactly the same amount. The dtw will be less work and provide better results.
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come on, left over table scraps will quickly ROT, whereas within reasonable use, depleted nutes will simply be void of whatever percentage of specific nutrients that were consumed,

From years of using both DWC and F & D, I can run 2 plants @ ~ 2~ 3ft tall x 18-24" diameter out of a 4 gallon rez (~ 800ppm in full bloom) for at least a week without dumping nutes, though I do replenish ~ one gallon of full strength nutes(same as rez) during the week
 
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Kid Kannabi5

Kid Kannabi5

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PetFlora said:
come on, left over table scraps will quickly ROT, whereas within reasonable use, depleted nutes will simply be void of whatever percentage of specific nutrients that were consumed,

From years of using both DWC and F & D, I can run 2 plants @ ~ 2~ 3ft tall x 18-24" diameter out of a 4 gallon rez (~ 800ppm in full bloom) for at least a week without dumping nutes, though I do replenish ~ one gallon of full strength nutes(same as rez) during the week
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I do it same way. Results don't lie!
 
mytwhyt

mytwhyt

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PetFlora said:
come on, left over table scraps will quickly ROT, whereas within reasonable use, depleted nutes will simply be void of whatever percentage of specific nutrients that were consumed,
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I guess that if Atomizer had said " A weeks worth of food and the word refrigerator instead of tote, then your analytical mind could have grasped the comparison to a rdwc reservoir.
This is not the thread to brag on your plants.. Post a link to your hydro thread if you're that proud of them..
 
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