How will CA legalization work?

theSinned

Active Member
So if california does end up legalizing marijuana in november, how will it work?
Will it be sold in gas stations and liquor stores? Or will it still only be sold in marijuana dispensaries, they will just no longer require a medical card but instead proof of age?

It would be nice to be able to buy seeds and not have to get them shipped all the way from europe.

I'm really hoping it doesn't end up being commercially grown on a large scale, I like that its all currently grown and sold by small business owners. Since it would still be federally illegal, I doubt any nationwide chain would sell marijuana, so I guess that would prevent too much large scale growing.
 

ford442

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it will end up in gas stations as long as they buy a special license.. same deal for cafes, etc.. no more need for cards..
i want it to become a mecca for breeding and seed sales.. but, there may still be resistance for a while to shipping outside of CA..
here is my take on large scale farming - it will be excellent for the biomass and fiber - good for chopped up cigarette material - but, it cannot easily produce fresh, groomed buds - that will still be up to the local suppliers.. i think it is great if they produce enough to make it a viable, non-carcinogenic alternative to straight tobacco.. i don't see them running the home grower out of potential business..

overall it is going to be wonderful! more freedom for everyone!! :)
 

Johnnyorganic

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So if california does end up legalizing marijuana in november, how will it work?
Will it be sold in gas stations and liquor stores? Or will it still only be sold in marijuana dispensaries, they will just no longer require a medical card but instead proof of age?

It would be nice to be able to buy seeds and not have to get them shipped all the way from europe.

I'm really hoping it doesn't end up being commercially grown on a large scale, I like that its all currently grown and sold by small business owners. Since it would still be federally illegal, I doubt any nationwide chain would sell marijuana, so I guess that would prevent too much large scale growing.
That is a question a lot of us are asking. Since the end of WWII; as California goes, so goes the rest of the nation. Cannabis is no exception. California led the way for medical cannabis. Many people will be watching to see how the state works it all out.

There is no reason why the end of cannabis Prohibition should not mirror the end of alcohol Prohibition.

American seeds will rock. And California will benefit from all that domestic business activity.

Commercial weed exists now. It's called schwag. It's grown in Mexico and in our National Parks by armed thugs. These cartel growers use illegal herbicides and pesticides and leave their garbage after the harvest. After re-legalization, the schwag will be regulated, taxed, and safe.

Industry entering the cannabis market will have a huge impact on the economy - all good.

And like hobby beer brewers, hobby cannabis growers who do not sell should be left alone.
 

MrBuds.com

New Member
Interesting thoughts on the Legalization of Cannabis Ford442. I agree that the vast quantities of marijuana that would be grown would yield significant biomass and fiber for different textiles etc. But assuming that someone can get high from a cheap pack of rolled joints as opposed to a special trip to your local dispensary to be manicured nugs I think many of the New Potheads as I'll call them will probably go the most commercially available route ie big tobacco. As a grower their sheer economies of scale concern me a great deal. Now I realize that niche products and specialties are what can set me apart, but I still see big tobacco being poised and positioned to gain from the legalization of marijuana. Hopefully because they are on a national scale the federal government will keep them at bay for some time longer.
 

ford442

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the tobacco companies had better be ready because what i want is non-psychoactive cannabis smokes.. "No Cancer Fags" i will call them... ;)
i have a disagreement on the point of new smokers - i have a feeling that most of the adult age people who want to try weed or continue to use it already do so - otherwise you must say that the prohibition fear of cops has worked and actually stopped people from so much as considering marijuana.. i don't think that is the case - i think that some people would even use less if the subculture didn't have to exist so strongly between dealers and smokers - less times where everyone has to run off somewhere to hide and that becomes the activity.. know what i mean? also kids for sure will have less access to it once the street dealers give up on it.. after all - it is still the hardest drug to conceal and if it has the lowest street value there goes the dealers selling to kids and the underage dealers as well pretty much.. i almost consider the 'gateway drug' theory partly true since, yes, if a teen in the city goes to buy a bag from a random dealer they may well be exposed to the presence of other drugs - the dealer may try to sell them something else..
so - my theory is that pot use will stay the same.. the media may try to make it look like use goes up with fake stats - so i am prepared for that.. and there goes the 'social cost' line of bullshit - the ONLY social cost in those terms is the money going to worthless pot-rehab programs - and if they weren't forcing young people into these camps as an opt-out from hard time they would not even exist...
going by the idea that stoners are already stoners - many of us demand quality smoke for pipes and bongs and what have you - stoners at large will not simply settle for some ground up seeds and stems and call it our planet's future correct? we will either take advantage of the fact that is grown locally or grow it ourselves..
the pot industry is full of profits waiting to be had - $100,000,000,000 in product alone? add to that all of the side industries of shops, cafes and other venues - international trade - breeding - and add to that untold fortunes in hemp production - what i see is a situation where most everyone who is already involved in pot and depending on income from it can go legit and be above board so that everyone wins.. :)

And like hobby beer brewers, hobby cannabis growers who do not sell should be left alone. - i agree on this - but, just because this first ever possibility seems to have limits for the home growers does not mean we should turn it down holding out for something better - there will be further compromise until everything is settled in the long run when you take into account to real implication of letting people grow foliage in the garden of their property.. so green - i can often see it from my clear cut - i can't stand it - it even makes a pleasant smell sometimes and i don't want my children exposed to pleasant feelings until they are long since dead... ;)

on a side note i want to add about hemp - it has been the secret "edison's bulb" of industry at large since outlawing pot - it can supply gasoline, plastic, steel-like fibre, cloth, paper - you name it / we import it from china made from oil - also did you know that cannabis was the #1 animal feed for all farm animals all over the world before Anslinger whacked it down? i'm sure it is far more healthy and cheaper than the crap we funnel down them now... birds that eat hemp seeds live 20% longer and it once was a large portion of their diet in north america.. not so much now for some reason...
 

MrBuds.com

New Member
the tobacco companies had better be ready because what i want is non-psychoactive cannabis smokes.. "No Cancer Fags" i will call them... ;)
i have a disagreement on the point of new smokers - i have a feeling that most of the adult age people who want to try weed or continue to use it already do so - otherwise you must say that the prohibition fear of cops has worked and actually stopped people from so much as considering marijuana.. i don't think that is the case - i think that some people would even use less if the subculture didn't have to exist so strongly between dealers and smokers - less times where everyone has to run off somewhere to hide and that becomes the activity.. know what i mean? also kids for sure will have less access to it once the street dealers give up on it.. after all - it is still the hardest drug to conceal and if it has the lowest street value there goes the dealers selling to kids and the underage dealers as well pretty much.. i almost consider the 'gateway drug' theory partly true since, yes, if a teen in the city goes to buy a bag from a random dealer they may well be exposed to the presence of other drugs - the dealer may try to sell them something else..
so - my theory is that pot use will stay the same.. the media may try to make it look like use goes up with fake stats - so i am prepared for that.. and there goes the 'social cost' line of bullshit - the ONLY social cost in those terms is the money going to worthless pot-rehab programs - and if they weren't forcing young people into these camps as an opt-out from hard time they would not even exist...
going by the idea that stoners are already stoners - many of us demand quality smoke for pipes and bongs and what have you - stoners at large will not simply settle for some ground up seeds and stems and call it our planet's future correct? we will either take advantage of the fact that is grown locally or grow it ourselves..
the pot industry is full of profits waiting to be had - $100,000,000,000 in product alone? add to that all of the side industries of shops, cafes and other venues - international trade - breeding - and add to that untold fortunes in hemp production - what i see is a situation where most everyone who is already involved in pot and depending on income from it can go legit and be above board so that everyone wins.. :)

And like hobby beer brewers, hobby cannabis growers who do not sell should be left alone. - i agree on this - but, just because this first ever possibility seems to have limits for the home growers does not mean we should turn it down holding out for something better - there will be further compromise until everything is settled in the long run when you take into account to real implication of letting people grow foliage in the garden of their property.. so green - i can often see it from my clear cut - i can't stand it - it even makes a pleasant smell sometimes and i don't want my children exposed to pleasant feelings until they are long since dead... ;)

on a side note i want to add about hemp - it has been the secret "edison's bulb" of industry at large since outlawing pot - it can supply gasoline, plastic, steel-like fibre, cloth, paper - you name it / we import it from china made from oil - also did you know that cannabis was the #1 animal feed for all farm animals all over the world before Anslinger whacked it down? i'm sure it is far more healthy and cheaper than the crap we funnel down them now... birds that eat hemp seeds live 20% longer and it once was a large portion of their diet in north america.. not so much now for some reason...
Good points Ford442...well argued...we shall have to see!!
 

ford442

Well-Known Member
thank you :) - yes.. it would be a sad loss in my book if it doesn't happen for california in november - i want those cali voters to come out - put down the bongs for 20 minutes and cast you ballot!!! we have 56% support in california according to official polls - so, please don't space it out and assume everyone else isn't doing the same.. ;) it is the reasonable move on so many levels..!
 

growone

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i'm really interested in the court process if Cali legalization happens
i don't see DEA watching their most profitable franchise, i.e. confiscation of wealth from growers, just go away without a fight
DEA is just another business with a government monopoly, they get to keep anything they can steal as long as there was MJ around
no way in hell they are just going to sit by and watch
and this could happen quickly after legalization, wouldn't surprise me at all if the supreme court got involved next year
what happens after that, well i think it's the equivalent of the Superbowl of legal cases, it could be spectacular
 

thetick1959

Active Member
thank you :) - yes.. it would be a sad loss in my book if it doesn't happen for california in november - i want those cali voters to come out - put down the bongs for 20 minutes and cast you ballot!!! we have 56% support in california according to official polls - so, please don't space it out and assume everyone else isn't doing the same.. ;) it is the reasonable move on so many levels..!
I agree 100%
 

Dirty Harry

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If CA does legalize, and then follows through with it and the Feds maintain their prohibit stance...It would not surprise me to see military like DEA invasion and and possibly military equipment and tanks.
Never forget for a second, until the feds change the laws to fully allow states to do as the wish, it will remain federally illegal and that will force two things to happen.
#1 The Feds change the scheduling to allow this to happen
or
#2 They will crack down hard and severe to send a message to the other states

With this countries economy in the crapper, high unemployment, and illegal immigration the people are pretty damn stressed to the breaking point. If the Feds crack down, this could be the tipping point for a states rights civil war.
 

growone

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If CA does legalize, and then follows through with it and the Feds maintain their prohibit stance...It would not surprise me to see military like DEA invasion and and possibly military equipment and tanks.
Never forget for a second, until the feds change the laws to fully allow states to do as the wish, it will remain federally illegal and that will force two things to happen.
#1 The Feds change the scheduling to allow this to happen
or
#2 They will crack down hard and severe to send a message to the other states

With this countries economy in the crapper, high unemployment, and illegal immigration the people are pretty damn stressed to the breaking point. If the Feds crack down, this could be the tipping point for a states rights civil war.
could be, tough to guess because not much has been said on the federal side
been some mild statements, but not too much else
in some respects, it may be possible that in practice nothing much changes except state and county LEO get out of the MJ enforcement business
it's already pretty low for small amounts/grows
so DEA can pick up the slack on the larger deals, which is pretty close to what's there now
except the resources all fall on the DEA's shoulders
and how this would play out in the federal courts is pretty much a wild card, who knows what could occur there?
 

whiteflour

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I agree. I don't really think we have to worry about martial law over marijuana, but the DEA may full well step it's game back up just as to prove a point. I full well believe though if they had the balls to roll the military in for weed this whole country would go ballistic. If it didn't lead to outright civil war there would be some attempted coups.
 

growone

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I agree. I don't really think we have to worry about martial law over marijuana, but the DEA may full well step it's game back up just as to prove a point. I full well believe though if they had the balls to roll the military in for weed this whole country would go ballistic. If it didn't lead to outright civil war there would be some attempted coups.
no value to anyone in 'hyper escalation', just not needed
DEA has plenty of muscle, it's the numbers that are overwhelming
too many grower/users, the war really is over, if you want to make that analogy
the arrests(casualties) kind of suck, it's like the soldiers getting killed at the end of war when everyone seems to know how it's going to end
Cali legalization could be one of the biggest 'non events' in modern times
DEA stomps on anyone brazen enough who thinks they can open legal recreational dispensaries, state law or not
but stemming the tide is futile, probably some informal understanding of how big and visible a recreational dispensary can be
probably a lot like Holland after all is said and done, still illegal but enforcement goes down to near zero over time
 

ford442

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i think there is no way the federal branch will come down hard on CA - that is not in their line of objectives and we are not talking about a strong moral issue here.. there is nothing to stop them from coming in and making a big deal when someone with a license is selling over state lines, etc, but it will not end in any kind of civil conflict..
 

Dirty Harry

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One thing the Feds could do, is cut off state's aid. I know they pulled that trick with the drunk driving limits and the legal age to drink. Any state that didn't play ball would loose federal highway funds. The feds can play the money game by saying if every state doesn't follow the feds rules, they could loose some sort of funding. To me that is federal blackmail, but that has been how things run for longer than I have been on this dirt ball called Earth.
 

growone

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One thing the Feds could do, is cut off state's aid. I know they pulled that trick with the drunk driving limits and the legal age to drink. Any state that didn't play ball would loose federal highway funds.
a very real possibility
the difference here is TC2010 is a voter initiative, it becomes part of the state constitution
so California legislators really can't do much about it, there would have to be another voter initiative to overturn TC2010
which would be pretty messy, certainly possible though
 
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