Im devistated, cant catch a break /rant @ HC

As far as i'm concerned an out dated ATP or PPL is better than just the new doctors note. At least you can prove you were legal before HC fucked it all up....Not your fault and I bet a judge would agree. Under your old paper work you were doctor approved and HC approved..both...not now under MMPR...just a doctor hahaha
Also not your fault you couldn't renew before/after HC pulled the plug before finding out if it was legal to do so. Now a judge will decide..not them.

See thats what im talking about WHATFG, nobody is being told the straight truth. Conroy and HC will not agree on the slightest...Ive done 4-5 hours of research.

What i have found is that if you have a license on sept 30/2013 valid ATP-PUPL you are allowed to continue your mmj use LEGALLY. Further-more on *APRIL 2ND* Conroy pernounced this issue and saying that the way he understood it as sept 30/2013 your licenses are valid, from the get go HC has been saying you must be valid on the date of the injunction (March 21st 2014) On April 2nd 2014 Mr Conroy posted on his website that if you expired *BEFORE MARCH 21ST 2014 YOU SHOULD GO TO A PHYSICIAN AND GET AUTHORIZATION* Now further research i found quotes Mr Conroys announcement on April 2nd 2014 and said "basically due to reg53 in the narcotics control act, go to your physician for supporting specialist for authorization or a doctors note with your daily amount and symptoms (im guessing b1 or b2 type of deal) Now before Mr Conroys emergency anouncement i made 2 calls to HC to ask if im valid with a March 1st (First) 2014 expire, they both said NO.

What i understand;

If you expired before the injunction that health canada is saying is the "Grandfather date" but it expires AFTER September 1st 2013 you may go to a doctor or specialist to get a note supporting your perscription daily amount. You keep this for your records. You are now legal.

Thats what ive gotten from a nights work

Yes, released by the medical marijuana clinic it says following the rules of MMAR it is strongly suggested you go to a doctor to get supporting letter for your case incase of legal interferance because even under the MMAR doctors prescription is valid for 12months

http://medicalmarijuanaclinic.ca/courtdecision.htm

My atp and pupl came through for me on November 21, 2013. My application was in before the deadline of Sept,30,2013. Up to that point, I had revoked my dg licence so I did not have an atp on sept.30. I am going with my application was complete and submitted before HC deadline of Sept.30,2013, and they gave me an atp and pupl on Nov,21,2013 that was valid as of the date of the injunction. This is so fucked up. I would think that if you had the pink slips in the past there isn't a judge in this country going to be throwing anyone, especially a sick guy, into jail for growing his own medicine. I hope this shit get sorted out once and for all with this SC challenge.Enough already.

WHATFG said:

My atp and pupl came through for me on November 21, 2013. My application was in before the deadline of Sept,30,2013. Up to that point, I had revoked my dg licence so I did not have an atp on sept.30. I am going with my application was complete and submitted before HC deadline of Sept.30,2013, and they gave me an atp and pupl on Nov,21,2013 that was valid as of the date of the injunction. This is so fucked up. I would think that if you had the pink slips in the past there isn't a judge in this country going to be throwing anyone, especially a sick guy, into jail for growing his own medicine. I hope this shit get sorted out once and for all with this SC challenge.Enough already.

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Shit ya that is quite the scenario...i found that mine was common but within the 5hours i was searching i found absolutely nobody or even hinting towards your scenario...

bigmanc said:

Pink papers are in my possession (2years worth actually, plus application photo copies)

@CannaReview, so if my doc who signed my MMAR gives me a note im good?

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Well that's what Conroy is saying. If you manage to win the doctor lottery and do find one that will give you a note stating you can have say 20 grams per day, according to Conroy that is suppose to be the same as your ATP being valid.

Good luck finding a doctor do sign that. I think that's Conroy's escape route after he told everyone to keep growing when in reality even he had the interpretation wrong. Having said that I don't know of anyone who has gotten a knock on the door yet. Even he states that HC interpretation of the APT having to be valid on or past March 21 is correct which makes sense, if you can't legally posses how can you legally grow...

Now here's the thing, I know of several people who lost their grow spaces as the owners of the property would not them keep growing because of all the legal limbo.

3our ATP is like a prescription. if the prescription expires so does your ATP.
so it is quite clear that anyone possessing an ATP on the date the judge made the ruling you are fine to possess,

same goes for PUPL as it is intertwined with the ATP.

remember when your Oxy prescription expires the pharmacy will not dispense anything until you renew.
so if on March 21, 2014 you had valid pink papers your are covered by the injunction, if your papers expired before
that date you are SOL.

a DG can grow for his/her patients as long as the patient possessed a valid ATP on March 21, 2014.

why would anyone think that if you expired in lets say January 2014 that you would be covered by the injunction?
that is plain ludacris as you expired .... period!

keep in mind HC was renewing ATP and PUPL after Oct 1, 2013 and before March 31, 2014 so if you didn't renew who's fault is that ?

Conroy missed this key issue.

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your ATP is like a prescription. if the prescription expires so does your ATP.
so it is quite clear that anyone possessing an ATP on the date the judge made the ruling you are fine to possess,

same goes for PUPL as it is intertwined with the ATP.

remember when your Oxy prescription expires the pharmacy will not dispense anything until you renew.
so if on March 21, 2014 you had valid pink papers your are covered by the injunction, if your papers expired before
that date you are SOL.

a DG can grow for his/her patients as long as the patient possessed a valid ATP on March 21, 2014.

why would anyone think that if you expired in lets say January 2014 that you would be covered by the injunction?
that is plain ludacris as you expired .... period!

keep in mind HC was renewing ATP and PUPL after Oct 1, 2014 and before March 31, 2014 so if you didn't renew who's fault is that ?

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nobody knew that the program would actually be repealed. Nobody is placing blame on renewal it's a issue of does the date go back to the announcement of the mmpr or is it injunction date, the lawyers and HC art disagreeing on this.

bigmanc said:

nobody knew that the program would actually be repealed. Nobody is placing blame on renewal it's a issue of does the date go back to the announcement of the mmpr or is it injunction date, the lawyers and HC art disagreeing on this.

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I renewed mine as I wanted to be in a legal position until the LAST day possible to possess and grow.
as well it gave me the ability to join an LP anytime within the period of a year from the
start date of my ATP without seeing my doc again.

we will all have to wait for all the legalese to be decoded, hopefully when the case is heard
in February 2015 we (the patients) will be the winners....but in what form ?

I found a newly uploaded court order on conroys website. He submitted for cross appeal on april 17th.

A few things he wants covered on the cross appeal, witch will greatly help thousands, maybe tens of thousands mmar patients.

> Trying to get the appeal covered back dating to march 31st 2013. (1year grand father date with valid ATP/PUPL)
> Ability to submit a address change.
> 150G possession or license limit, witchever is lower (seems like a give and take/good faith gesture to health canada from conroy)

These all look like acceptable terms. Adress change im sure will be granted, HC will definately approve the lower possession limit of license. The toss up would be the march 2013 grand father date...hope it goes through.

Further found the trial date; It will happen in Vancouver on February 23rd 2015, 930AM and will commence for 3 weeks. Each side maximum of 15 witnesses.

It seems conroy is showing some good faith and possitive gesture with the cross appeal but im hoping he drops them like a sack of potatoes in Feb2015...

i would hate to say it or to even have to happen but have a child in that court room having seizures or muscle/speach spasms and give it a small dose of a high CBD tincture...it would be next to impossible to see a BC jury take HC's side while watching the miracle of that degree and grant life back into a young soul. Some people are very firmly against medical marijuana but i believe if they see what it offers for people of all ages and symptoms a vancouver jury will have this under wraps in favour of the canadian citizens seeking safe,affordable medical marijuana.

And then there are some people who will not see the benefit of this plant until they are wearing those shoes.

"if they see"

seeing is believing.

I was told about RSO by a close friend who had throat cancer.
We both look at each other sideways when we talked about oil as a cure.
He died at the hands of our western madmen, never even trying it and he could have so easily.
The not knowing and crazy idea that this medication might help, was just so out in left field...UNTIL
I STARTED READING and searching and reading more.
There was TONS of awesome info for everyone to read.

NOTHING TO LOSE BY TRYING IT!!!

I've seen it first hand.

I believe.

bigmanc said:

I found a newly uploaded court order on conroys website. He submitted for cross appeal on april 17th.

A few things he wants covered on the cross appeal, witch will greatly help thousands, maybe tens of thousands mmar patients.

> Trying to get the appeal covered back dating to march 31st 2013. (1year grand father date with valid ATP/PUPL)
> Ability to submit a address change.
> 150G possession or license limit, witchever is lower (seems like a give and take/good faith gesture to health canada from conroy)

These all look like acceptable terms. Adress change im sure will be granted, HC will definately approve the lower possession limit of license. The toss up would be the march 2013 grand father date...hope it goes through.

Further found the trial date; It will happen in Vancouver on February 23rd 2015, 930AM and will commence for 3 weeks. Each side maximum of 15 witnesses.

It seems conroy is showing some good faith and possitive gesture with the cross appeal but im hoping he drops them like a sack of potatoes in Feb2015...

i would hate to say it or to even have to happen but have a child in that court room having seizures or muscle/speach spasms and give it a small dose of a high CBD tincture...it would be next to impossible to see a BC jury take HC's side while watching the miracle of that degree and grant life back into a young soul. Some people are very firmly against medical marijuana but i believe if they see what it offers for people of all ages and symptoms a vancouver jury will have this under wraps in favour of the canadian citizens seeking safe,affordable medical marijuana.

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Sorry,I'm a bit confused. So is the cross appeal separate from the trial in Feb 2015? Because if they are I'm really hoping he's also going to fight for all patients, even ones in the future to retain the right to grow their own. Given how hard it was for some patients to find a doctor under the old program and those that didn't are now left in limbo in terms of viable options due to the mess that is the new program

CalyxCrusher said:

Sorry,I'm a bit confused. So is the cross appeal separate from the trial in Feb 2015? Because if they are I'm really hoping he's also going to fight for all patients, even ones in the future to retain the right to grow their own. Given how hard it was for some patients to find a doctor under the old program and those that didn't are now left in limbo in terms of viable options due to the mess that is the new program

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Given the current situation with the doctors and colleges and the lack of reasonable access, there should be an excellent case for providing future patients with the right to grow their own. I'm very hopeful that this will be the case, but only time will tell what happens with the MMPR program between now and Feb 2015.

Are constitutional challenges even heard by a jury? I thought once you reach the Federal/Supreme Court it's more a panel of judges type deal.

It's like a game of chicken, who's gonna blink first.

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Sorry,I'm a bit confused. So is the cross appeal separate from the trial in Feb 2015? Because if they are I'm really hoping he's also going to fight for all patients, even ones in the future to retain the right to grow their own. Given how hard it was for some patients to find a doctor under the old program and those that didn't are now left in limbo in terms of viable options due to the mess that is the new program

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From what i understand, yes they are both on different dates. The trial is already set but the cross appeal is not. If i had to guess i would say that a cross appeal would simply be Conroy VS HC Lawyer and a judge listening to there debates and reasoning then the judge make his own decision at that point. I only come to this conclusion because in the video i posted before with urban grower/remo (great guy, met him at the last TY Expo 2013 Toronto) he mentioned they need to approach the judge at a further time to get a few more things clarified and discussed and that video was posted the 24th of march/2014.

I have become much more active in my research regarding the laws and such, i thought the judge would simply pro-long mmar until a trial but i was wrong, partially.

The more i dig into it the more im finding HC is going to have a real hard time, i cant believe the patients actually have the media on our side...its a great feeling once the tables turn. The media is pointing out every little problem or conflicting issue with the LPs. All the way from quality to transportation of the medication even pricing and strains, im actually really suprised how well the major media outlets have been keeping up with all this and believe it or not from what ive seen, there not twisting and turning the truth like they usually do...im finding them to be a great ally for us in this fight. Health Canada is really kicking up some dirt that is going to bite them in the ass, in a year or 2 your going to hear "MMPR cost XXX Million dollars of wasted tax payers money...dont vote for yada yada"

Keep fighting the good fight.

I'm pretty sure if your license runs out between now and the trail, that a letter from your Doctor or his stamp would/should re confirming his prescription for a year. I could be wrong there as well.
It'll be interesting to say the least. I wonder when they'll start putting med patients I jail. It seems very possible.