Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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"Mohammed was arrested on March 1, 2003, in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, by Pakistani security officials working with the CIA, then transported to Guantanamo Bay and interrogated using methods including waterboarding.

During U.S. hearings at Guantanamo Bay in March 2007, Mohammed again confessed his responsibility for the attacks, stating he "was responsible for the 9/11 operation from A to Z" and that his statement was not made under duress."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

Why do you think this guy would admit it?

Just fyi, this dude is a terrible person, nobody is arguing that. He absolutely deserves to die, this coming from one of the most liberal members of this forum and an opponent of capital punishment.

Having said that, how are we to know for sure he was the architect of 9/11? Because he says he is?.. How much intel do we dismiss on that basis daily? Gigs I'm guessing.. so why do we simply take his (and by proxy, the US gov's) word for it?

Eerily enough, I'm not even sure 100% this dude is actually responsible for the things our gov. says he is. In the Nick Berg beheading video, which he's officially held responsible for, the man doing the beheading is masked, I've never seen his face, I simply assume what my government has told me is the truth, which is again, highly suspect..

So having said that, how do we here in the west even know if this dude isn't some random Iraqi made to take the fall? I haven't really looked into any of the specifics so I'm fully aware I could be totally wrong about it, it just makes me uncomfortable to take an organization's word for it, when we know for a fact said organization has lied to us in the past to support it's own agenda..

So why do you think KSM would admit to being the architect? What does he serve to gain from it? He knows he'll be executed for it, do you believe martyrdom is enough?
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Padawanbater2 said:
"Mohammed was arrested on March 1, 2003, in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, by Pakistani security officials working with the CIA, then transported to Guantanamo Bay and interrogated using methods including waterboarding.

During U.S. hearings at Guantanamo Bay in March 2007, Mohammed again confessed his responsibility for the attacks, stating he "was responsible for the 9/11 operation from A to Z" and that his statement was not made under duress."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

Why do you think this guy would admit it?

Just fyi, this dude is a terrible person, nobody is arguing that. He absolutely deserves to die, this coming from one of the most liberal members of this forum and an opponent of capital punishment.

Having said that, how are we to know for sure he was the architect of 9/11? Because he says he is?.. How much intel do we dismiss on that basis daily? Gigs I'm guessing.. so why do we simply take his (and by proxy, the US gov's) word for it?

Eerily enough, I'm not even sure 100% this dude is actually responsible for the things our gov. says he is. In the Nick Berg beheading video, which he's officially held responsible for, the man doing the beheading is masked, I've never seen his face, I simply assume what my government has told me is the truth, which is again, highly suspect..

So having said that, how do we here in the west even know if this dude isn't some random Iraqi made to take the fall? I haven't really looked into any of the specifics so I'm fully aware I could be totally wrong about it, it just makes me uncomfortable to take an organization's word for it, when we know for a fact said organization has lied to us in the past to support it's own agenda..

So why do you think KSM would admit to being the architect? What does he serve to gain from it? He knows he'll be executed for it, do you believe martyrdom is enough?
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If he wasn't responsible wouldn't Allah know?

Can't cheat a "God".

Maybe he did do it and bin Laden was just a patsy?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Harrekin said:
If he wasn't responsible wouldn't Allah know?

Can't cheat a "God".

Maybe he did do it and bin Laden was just a patsy?
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Even if he didn't admit it, Allah would know

So why do you think he would admit it? What would he serve to gain?

Unless he "admitted it" under duress (which he officially claims he didn't)
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Rob Roy said:
"we tortured some folks" - B. Obama
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You know what?

Fuck politics tonight. Tonight, I will post videos/images of what I hope your tribe approves of, in the hopes that your tribe accepts said videos/images as sacrament and approves of them, in turn, you will post videos/images of what you and/or your tribe hopes I will approve of, in a tribal show of equal respect and admiration.

I'll start off with this, the MOST admirable video/image I've come across, as a tribal leader. It shows depictions of outworldly men fighting the beasts of tomorrow, while hunting the cows of today. We depict the battle between them!

 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Padawanbater2 said:
You know what?

Fuck politics tonight. Tonight, I will post videos/images of what I hope your tribe approves of, in the hopes that your tribe accepts said videos/images as sacrament and approves of them, in turn, you will post videos/images of what you and/or your tribe hopes I will approve of, in a tribal show of equal respect and admiration.

I'll start off with this, the MOST admirable video/image I've come across, as a tribal leader. It shows depictions of outworldly men fighting the beasts of tomorrow, while hunting the cows of today. We depict the battle between them!

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
TBoneJack

TBoneJack

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Padawanbater2 said:
"Mohammed was arrested on March 1, 2003, in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, by Pakistani security officials working with the CIA, then transported to Guantanamo Bay and interrogated using methods including waterboarding.

During U.S. hearings at Guantanamo Bay in March 2007, Mohammed again confessed his responsibility for the attacks, stating he "was responsible for the 9/11 operation from A to Z" and that his statement was not made under duress."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

Why do you think this guy would admit it?

Just fyi, this dude is a terrible person, nobody is arguing that. He absolutely deserves to die, this coming from one of the most liberal members of this forum and an opponent of capital punishment.

Having said that, how are we to know for sure he was the architect of 9/11? Because he says he is?.. How much intel do we dismiss on that basis daily? Gigs I'm guessing.. so why do we simply take his (and by proxy, the US gov's) word for it?

Eerily enough, I'm not even sure 100% this dude is actually responsible for the things our gov. says he is. In the Nick Berg beheading video, which he's officially held responsible for, the man doing the beheading is masked, I've never seen his face, I simply assume what my government has told me is the truth, which is again, highly suspect..

So having said that, how do we here in the west even know if this dude isn't some random Iraqi made to take the fall? I haven't really looked into any of the specifics so I'm fully aware I could be totally wrong about it, it just makes me uncomfortable to take an organization's word for it, when we know for a fact said organization has lied to us in the past to support it's own agenda..

So why do you think KSM would admit to being the architect? What does he serve to gain from it? He knows he'll be executed for it, do you believe martyrdom is enough?
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I've read the 9/11 Report, and as I remember, they had a good bit of evidence on this guy. Unless they fabricated it.

Did you know he got his mechanical engineering degree in the US? With honors, if I remember correctly.

I think he was extremely proud of what he did for 9/11, and when he got caught and knew he'd never get out anyway, he decided to revel in the glory.

I think he really believes in the Muslim faith, and that he's going to get a special reward in heaven for his part in 9/11.
 
UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
KSM is, in reality Ron Jeremy. He got tired of fucking nubile, empty-headed porn starlets and was simply on vacation in Pakistan hoping to develop a meaningful relationship with a goat when, BOOM, the CIA scooped him up.



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you're not funny.

the only funny thing about you is how you flee like a little bitch when the subject of your memberships in white supremacy groups comes up.
 
NewtoMJ

NewtoMJ

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Padawanbater2 said:
"Mohammed was arrested on March 1, 2003, in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, by Pakistani security officials working with the CIA, then transported to Guantanamo Bay and interrogated using methods including waterboarding.

During U.S. hearings at Guantanamo Bay in March 2007, Mohammed again confessed his responsibility for the attacks, stating he "was responsible for the 9/11 operation from A to Z" and that his statement was not made under duress."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

Why do you think this guy would admit it?

Just fyi, this dude is a terrible person, nobody is arguing that. He absolutely deserves to die, this coming from one of the most liberal members of this forum and an opponent of capital punishment.

Having said that, how are we to know for sure he was the architect of 9/11? Because he says he is?.. How much intel do we dismiss on that basis daily? Gigs I'm guessing.. so why do we simply take his (and by proxy, the US gov's) word for it?

Eerily enough, I'm not even sure 100% this dude is actually responsible for the things our gov. says he is. In the Nick Berg beheading video, which he's officially held responsible for, the man doing the beheading is masked, I've never seen his face, I simply assume what my government has told me is the truth, which is again, highly suspect..

So having said that, how do we here in the west even know if this dude isn't some random Iraqi made to take the fall? I haven't really looked into any of the specifics so I'm fully aware I could be totally wrong about it, it just makes me uncomfortable to take an organization's word for it, when we know for a fact said organization has lied to us in the past to support it's own agenda..

So why do you think KSM would admit to being the architect? What does he serve to gain from it? He knows he'll be executed for it, do you believe martyrdom is enough?
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I can say this, in 45 years or so, most of the documents about what our intelligence services know concerning 9/11 will become declassified. Then is the only time we can ever be sure.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
you're not funny.

the only funny thing about you is how you flee like a little bitch when the subject of your memberships in white supremacy groups comes up.
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Oh c'mon, that was funny. Lighten up, smile, go work in your garden, let a little sunshine into your life. Why so dour?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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NewtoMJ said:
I can say this, in 45 years or so, most of the documents about what our intelligence services know concerning 9/11 will become declassified. Then is the only time we can ever be sure.
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If history is an indicator, it is possibly and maybe even likely that the event was useful to a U.S. political / corporate goal.

Are you aware that the USA had military strategy sessions where false flag operations were considered to "take over Cuba" in the early 1960s?

Question authority.
 
NewtoMJ

NewtoMJ

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Rob Roy said:
If history is an indicator, it is possibly and maybe even likely that the event was useful to a U.S. political / corporate goal.

Are you aware that the USA had military strategy sessions where false flag operations were considered to "take over Cuba" in the early 1960s?

Question authority.
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Operation Northwoods. I'm aware, I also believe that the U.S. gov't has implemented parts of the phoenix program here in the states. I learned a lot of my time in service, enough to know that only a portion of what is disseminated to the public is true.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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NewtoMJ said:
Operation Northwoods. I'm aware, I also believe that the U.S. gov't has implemented parts of the phoenix program here in the states. I learned a lot of my time in service, enough to know that only a portion of what is disseminated to the public is true.
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So smoking marijuana WON'T make me dance with black men? Wow, who knew?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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NewtoMJ said:
This is serious stuff Rob, jet fuel can't melt steel beams!
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I've never gone very far down the 9/11 rabbit hole, but it does seem that a plane "forgot" to hit building 7, yet building 7 fell apart on schedule anyway.

I don't need more evidence to conclude that some people like to control others lives for them, so regardless of what happened or didn't happen, I oppose blind obedience to a coercive authority.

I do tap my foot and head bob a bit sometimes when listening to John Lee Hooker after smoking a fattie, so maybe the evil weed does make me a little more likely to dance.
 
TBoneJack

TBoneJack

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abandonconflict said:
I don't understand your meaning. What reward?
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To be rewarded by Allah for doing his work here on earth. For killing the bad Americans. I think KSM is a real believer in the Muslim faith, yet he takes it to the far-out violent extremes that mainstream Muslims want to avoid. He's a radical, but I think he really believes in what he did for 9/11.
 
NewtoMJ

NewtoMJ

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TBoneJack said:
To be rewarded by Allah for doing his work here on earth. For killing the bad Americans. I think KSM is a real believer in the Muslim faith, yet he takes it to the far-out violent extremes that mainstream Muslims want to avoid. He's a radical, but I think he really believes in what he did for 9/11.
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According to the radicalized segment of the Muslim Faith, planning doesn't get you Allah's favor. It's why they hide behind murder holes, if they die without taking an infidel with them, they have not scored a blow for Jihad.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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TBoneJack said:
To be rewarded by Allah for doing his work here on earth. For killing the bad Americans. I think KSM is a real believer in the Muslim faith, yet he takes it to the far-out violent extremes that mainstream Muslims want to avoid. He's a radical, but I think he really believes in what he did for 9/11.
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Oh cool, is that from the Quran?
 
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