i got a magnifiying glass with my own eyes i saw (not a lot but 30 or so) white 0.5 to 1m torpedo shaped insects they move so slowly they dont fit spider mites as they are slow moving, also they have no wings. i got some spray from wilkinsons 1.97 GBP sort of a sopy afair of stomac acid or somin along them lines but seems to have controled the problem i sprayed at 10:00 checked at 18:00 found one did not move so i sprayed the pants again they only have a few hairs so not to bad i will keep this thread updated as their was 6 ulturnatives in the shop 2 more being organic then i try the hard stuff i also spread vasaline around my container lips and up the main stalks of the plant as this stops them migrating around the grow room my own fault bringing contaminated soil into my grow room from a friend take my advice tell know one i allso removed all plants from grow room turned upside down and sprayed bleached the grow room wiped down with bleach water all the fixings and rplaced all 0600 lights on tomorrow i will update