leaf drooping and cupping

does any one have a clue what could be causing this leaf drooping on my plants.


here is a little backround. i water every 4th day, i feed every 3rd water. my soil ph is 6.7. i dont know run off or nutrient mix. ph meter is my next investment. i water 1 gallon per 5 gallon pot. roots are healthy and white. temps are 78 at night up to 86 at peak, my other plant is doing fine. am i being paranoid or oes it look like a problem?

Yes, you definitely have a problem. "Clawing" of leaves, is typically a sign of too much nitrogen. What are you feeding it? Also, I strongly suggest buying a PH meter, if you don't know what your water and fert mix is PHed at. That's asking for trouble. I"d give them a good flush, then leave them go til they dry out, and let them burn up any excess nitrogen. Then, adjust your feeding dosing, accordingly.

flush that shit bro...flush that shit good

i'm feeding the technaflora recipe of success and following their guide that came with the kit. i'm feeding them the flower mix.

here is a link to the recipe (it is a pdf) http://www.technaflora.com/sharedfiles/USA2RFS1REV3_2009.pdf

another question is i watered sunday should i flush today or wait till 2marrow? i should use about 5 gallons of water to flush since im in a 14 inch pot = to roughly 5 gallons. or use only 3 gallons? then do i keep it off the nutes for a while till she perks back up?

and i do plan on buying a ph meter i just want to save up and get the hanna instuments hi98129 its their ph/tds/ec w/ temp comp for like 140 off of amazon here is a link to it http://www.hannainst.com/usa/prods2.cfm?id=002003&ProdCode=HI%2098129

well i flushed both plants just to be safe i used 3 gallons per plant. had about 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 a gallon run-off per plant. i plan on doing one more flush next week then starting the nutes again? let me know if that would b bad or if i should do it differently.

ur over feeding ur plant so kick back on the nutrients bro..u dont gotta feed it all the time..check out my plant..the first pic or actually the second was 8/17/10 then the first one was 8/31/10 then the others 9/7/10 and i only fed this plant 3 times total

used fox farms for soil and a little fish emulsion to, right when i planted it..and after that i just fed it 3 times..fed her good, fed her real good. lol

i dont feed it every water, so i don't know what you mean by all the time, because i feed every 2 weeks roughly. its more like every 15 days and i have only given her 2 veg feedings and she got her second flower feed 6 days ago. so thats only 1 more feeding than you. i dont give my plant nutes with every watering or anything like that. thanks for the help tho

Hello,

Your plants are most certainly over-fertilized with nitrogen. Their very dark green foliage and the clawing pretty much can't mean anything else.

Flushing twice will only give you a deficiency. It sounds like you flushed pretty well so what would another flushing accomplish? The next time your plant needs water, add 1/2 strength nutrients. See what happens and go from there.

Also, you mention you water every 4 days, one gallon per 5 gallon pot. Your plants don't look like all that big; are you sure you are only watering them when they need it? Better to go by how light the pot gets. You pretty much want to almost dry out your medium before you water, not stick to a fixed schedule.

You said your roots were healthy and white. How did you know that; by popping the plant out of its pot? Digging around? Neither is a good thing in flower.

I like the basketball lamp though.

Trying to be helpful here.

i was concerned so i picked the plant up out the pot, i know its not good but i wasn't sure weather i had a root problem or not so i checked. i water when it needs it i have a soil ph/moisture meter and i also go by feel, the pots get very lite. and every fourth day isn't exact its a rough estimate i do not have a set pattern. some times its 3 days others a week, it just depends. i had to throw the basketball in there, it looks cool plus helps light up the straglers/sides.

so 1/2 strength maybe a little less feeding with my next watering

will the claws go away or will new growth not be clawed, just wondering what signs to look for to judge if she is getting better?

that moisture/ph meter is shit. Chances are everything you stick it in will read 6.7. Everyone gets one and throws it away. I did. You should too. And that Hanna meter you want is more than a soiler needs. You can get just a pH meter by Hanna for 40 bucks. That doesn't require so much saving . What is your soil anyway?

The claw won't go away, in fact those leaves might get really ugly, but new growth will be okay.

Looking at your pix again, I'm going to say that you might have much higher temps at canopy level than you think. Plant will recover faster if you move the lights away a touch. I know you are in flower, but it can't be helped. Stressed out plants can't recover if they continue to be stressed.

Temp sensor is right above canopy level so it should be pretty close ( key word is should). I have both a digital and regular thermometer in there. But I will move the lights up 4 inches or do to reduce stress. I was actually planning an messing with a few hydro methods like an ebb an flo or dwc in 5 gallon buckets. Farther down the line and I would rather have the meter, but I am going to order the hi 98107 pHep within the next 2 weeks, I don't get paid till the 17th.

I mean how bad is this plant, will it last the 6 weeks or so till finish untreated or am i in a bad situation? Could rootboundness also cause this or is it a guaranteed over fert?

sorry forgot soil is mirical grow premium potting soil.

Miracle Grow is probably the culprit.
It contains time-release fertilizer granules which dissolve when you water it.
It's supposed to feed your plants. When you added more fertilizer, you over-nuted it.
Flushing doesn't help because it can activate more of the fertilizer, making your problem worse.
Don't feed your plant anymore. It's recovering, looking okay, relatively speaking.
You are definitely not rootbound. A 5 gallon bucket can grow a 7 foot tree easily. Believe me.
If you go hydro, try ebb and flow, not DWC. It may seem easier, but it has more problems.

The Hanna meter you wanted would be a good choice if you are going to do hydro. I had the exact model. It died after two years. I now use Hanna continuous pH/ppm monitors. You DO have to calibrate it regularly and for that you need calibration solutions. Those three little bottles are going to be another 30 bucks. Just so you know.

well aware of that. i know i need 2 ph cal and the tds cal solutions for the hi 98129 but its all good because i need the ph ones for the phep tester any way. and its going to be at least a year till i dab into the whole hydro method. as far as the mirical gro and not flushing, wouldnt the flushing atleast get rid of any other fert i put in the soil? i mean its already been done, so no nutes for either plant. how long, till they show signs of recovery or till finish?

what soils do you recomend i use, next time that is?

the idea for the dwc is not for ease of use for me. i just pretty much want to try every method of growing, a sort of been there done that type thing. i will stay indoor on them all so no guerilla type growing. so would you recomend that hi 98129 or go with the continuos like you use. i mean im not growing to get rich so id rather only invest in what i need, not have everything and ony use like 3 things.

bro y do u have a light sticking out of a basketball hahah thats the problem

its a basketball lamp, it came that way. saw it lying around in the basement thought i could give it some better use

I'm a hydro guy but I keep mothers in soil sometimes. I buy a bag of pro-mix soilless mix at Home Depot for 7 dollars, and mix it with perlite about 60/40. That has no nutrients whatsoever and good drainage. This does two things: puts you totally in the driver's seat with what your plants get to eat, and makes it really efficient to flush if you do get into trouble being a mad scientist with the nutrients.

That's a good meter. I'd go with it.

thanks apreciate the info, your the first person to actualy have used that meter and 1st to give me any feed on it. and the soil tip to aprecite that.

shnkrmn, what kind of hydro method are you running? would you recomend using stonewol, rockwol, or something similar as a grow medium.

here is what i want to do.

i was planning on getting either a 2x2 or a 2x4 flood table and going with a 20-30 gallon res depending on which table i get. i'm not sure if i want to go with a cube or pots with soilless mix. basicaly i was thinking about getting one of theese, http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_detail.php?itemid=1146, but making it just buying one of their tables like
http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_detail.php?itemid=1146
http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_detail.php?itemid=9425 or something similar. let me know what you think.