Let's spend some more, Bullshit!

medicineman

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What the $315 billion dollars we're spending on occupation could buy here at home…
Posted by Joshua Holland at 8:46 AM on February 4, 2007.



Evan Derkacz


Bush is asking for $245 billion dollars to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq this year and next.
You may have heard that neither project is going particularly well, but we're soldiering on.
The loot The Decider seeks is in addition to the $70 billion already allocated for '07, bringing the two-year total to $315 billion dollars. That is, if he doesn't ask for more next year.
A lot of this money is for "modernizing" the military. That is to say, it's for fancy new weapons systems to replace damaged or lost equipment -- many of which, like the F-22 joint strike-fighter, are not really designed to help fight insurgencies. This is all in addition to a 10 percent increase in the regular war budget (AKA "Defense budget"), bringing it to $481 billion in 2008.
These big numbers are hard to grasp. So I took a tour around the National Priorities Project Database and checked in with the Apollo Alliance and the Disabled American Veterans to see how far that kind of lucre might have gone if spent on domestic programs.

Here's what I came up with. Note that this isn't a Chinese menu where you have to pick from among the following priorities; for $315 billion we could have funded all of these …

  • Energy. For about a fifth of the costs of occupying our two new countries, we could have fully funded the Apollo Project for two years. From the Alliance's website: "The Apollo Alliance is pursuing a $300 billion, public-private program to create three million new, clean energy jobs to free America from foreign oil dependence in ten years. It is a program that reinvests in the competitiveness of American industry, rebuilds our cities, creates good jobs for working families, and ensures good stewardship of both the economy and our natural environment."
  • Health coverage. After funding the Apollo Project, we'd have enough left over to cover about half of the uninsured -- 23,308,236 people. That money would have gone further still if invested in a single-payer system.
  • Education. That would still leave us enough to put 1,081,287 children into Head-start programs…
  • And hire 134,145 new elementary school teachers …
  • And build 792 new schools …
  • And give 1,300,680 young people full college scholarships.
  • All of those things would still leave us with enough in the kitty to close the $2 billion estimated gap between what we need to take care of our returning vets and what's actually in Bush's budget request for veterans' care.
  • And we'd have enough left over to build 61,292 new affordable housing units

Just to put those colossal numbers in perspective.
PS: ABC News did a similar exercise looking at all of the war spending since 9/11 -- that's $750 billion including the 2007-2008 requests (more than we spent in Vietnam). They point out that that figure could have funded the EPA for over a century; the entire Department of Education for two decades or the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration for 1500 years. An increase in spending on the latter, they note, "could probably have reduced the more than 40,000 Americans killed annually on our roads." Check it.
 

ViRedd

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So, the question is: So what? Hell, if we didn't spend so much on ice cream we could fund education for years. If we stopped buying just about anything and apply the funds to what-ever, we could buy more of that too.

The article means nothing, other than someone spouting off nonsense in order to make a political point.

Vi
 

medicineman

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So, the question is: So what? Hell, if we didn't spend so much on ice cream we could fund education for years. If we stopped buying just about anything and apply the funds to what-ever, we could buy more of that too.

The article means nothing, other than someone spouting off nonsense in order to make a political point.

Vi
No, What you just posted is non sense. The war is removing funding from many important programs, Ice cream my ass!
 

medicineman

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lets not forget the 18 billion a year for the war on drugs Yeah, I'm sure that is a priority for stoners while soldiers are dying in an endless war. Maybe we should execute them, seems like they only have one thing on their pea brains, how to proliferate the getting stoned process, pathetic!
 

ViRedd

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"seems like they only have one thing on their pea brains, how to proliferate the getting stoned process, pathetic!"

So, how do you justify returning here by the hour to hang out with a bunch of pathetic stoners?

Vi
 

medicineman

New Member
"seems like they only have one thing on their pea brains, how to proliferate the getting stoned process, pathetic!"

So, how do you justify returning here by the hour to hang out with a bunch of pathetic stoners?

Vi
I guess I feel sorry for you guys, especially you Vi. I try and soothe you with wisdom but get stones thrown my way, what a bunch of ungracious dolts you guys are. Listen up, you may learn something.~LOL~
 

Wavels

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Med, you are more like an intellectual chew toy for the righteous righties!
*lol*
 

medicineman

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Med, you are more like an intellectual chew toy for the righteous righties!
Lotsa righties, not much righteous!
 

Wavels

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Well, med, please explain to me how it is that money is needed to cure societal problems, when before the war commenced, Clinton should have "fixed” these problems?
Money is, in no way, the answer!
Look at the futile "War on Poverty"
IMO, what money has done is to simply stimulate an industry of poverty pimps and encourage the destructive entitlement mentality. Once again a road to hell was paved with the best intentions….
Saying the war should not be, because the money could be better spent is simply incorrect as well as silly!
 

medicineman

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Well, med, please explain to me how it is that money is needed to cure societal problems, when before the war commenced, Clinton should have "fixed” these problems?
Money is, in no way, the answer!
Look at the futile "War on Poverty"
IMO, what money has done is to simply stimulate an industry of poverty pimps and encourage the destructive entitlement mentality. Once again a road to hell was paved with the best intentions….
Saying the war should not be, because the money could be better spent is simply incorrect as well as silly!
Lets see, hmmmmm, It costs money to: eat, have clothing, have shelter, have transportation to look for work, uh, just about everything you do in this society costs money, and if you have none (as I must assume you wish on the majority of society) it is extremely difficult to have a decent life.
 
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