liberty haze 65 days flowering under 130w led
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tokalotapot
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i think it is in my top 6 favorite and i have a few tricks to shorten it down too 45 days now
tangerinegreen555
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OK, I'll bite... your signature mentions you're finishing in 31 and 36 days with your 'amazing set up'...
Tell me more... what finishes in 31 days?
tokalotapot
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no bite but it is efficeint easy shit believe me check for some 3 watt 740nm diodes roughly say 30 bucks on amazon and another say 30 bucks on the power supply and just setup a hps and when your mainlight turns off simply turn it on for 3 minutes and it is crazy but with proven science 740 turns pfr into fr instantly which normal will take 2hrs some up to 4 hrs to turn photosynthetic far red which is veg hormone producing into fr which is flower inducing and instantly the days worth of light is instantly food so for instance say if you have 3 hours faster of a jump per night you get 21 hours more of night each week in return is equal to almost two days extra of sleep per week over the course of flowering time this also helps if they are hit with normal light during sleep blast 740nm and back to normal like it never happened
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tokalotapot
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its not amazing it is science but i used my idea for the effects of getting more but i also shaved off crazy time unexpectedly. and openly share it because we all need to know
tokalotapot
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oh the strain is mango that finished in 31 36 and these were 45 days no more hashplant (hso) and sour d(soma seeds) blue dream(hso) and liberty(barneys farm) and superhash(pyramid seeds) were wonderful with dank full calyxs and triched over with roughly 20-30% amber heads and full smokey haze heads also
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Dr. Who
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HAZE = Sativa = longer flowering times up to 16-18 weeks..
STFW????
I hate to say this dude.....But you are so full of BS that I just had to reply.....
You got SOO much wrong in that posting it's funny!
It's 730nm and you need to be effective - 10-20watt single unit diodes....Also it's "photochrome trigger" NOT "photosynthetic". You run them for 10 -15 min total and once at 1 hr to lights out (around your 3min, HID lighting still on) and again for 10-12 min starting 2 min before lights out and remain on after lights out for 10min....The rest of your explanation is so full of incorrect info (BS) I'm not even going to go farther!
How do I know your full of it? I did these experiments with the PROPER LED diodes a cpl of years back.....
Doc
peter berger
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I love you dr whoHAZE = Sativa = longer flowering times up to 16-18 weeks..
STFW????
I hate to say this dude.....But you are so full of BS that I just had to reply.....
You got SOO much wrong in that posting it's funny!
It's 730nm and you need to be effective - 10-20watt single unit diodes....Also it's "photochrome trigger" NOT "photosynthetic". You run them for 10 -15 min total and once at 1 hr to lights out (around your 3min, HID lighting still on) and again for 10-12 min starting 2 min before lights out and remain on after lights out for 10min....The rest of your explanation is so full of incorrect info (BS) I'm not even going to go farther!
How do I know your full of it? I did these experiments with the PROPER LED diodes a cpl of years back.....
Doc
tokalotapot
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it is funny i have only 740nm diodes 145 watts custom built around my hps and when my hps turns off my seperate timer pops on for 15 wow think before you act lol and i can fully say its working for me 100% not hating on you but i know what i grow so ask before you take shit outta control for no reason i use what works and only what works best and i will be honest i am building more for myself because they are very very effective and wanted to help a fellow grower if i can at it instead of a someone ranting like you had sand in your vaginaHAZE = Sativa = longer flowering times up to 16-18 weeks..
STFW????
I hate to say this dude.....But you are so full of BS that I just had to reply.....
You got SOO much wrong in that posting it's funny!
It's 730nm and you need to be effective - 10-20watt single unit diodes....Also it's "photochrome trigger" NOT "photosynthetic". You run them for 10 -15 min total and once at 1 hr to lights out (around your 3min, HID lighting still on) and again for 10-12 min starting 2 min before lights out and remain on after lights out for 10min....The rest of your explanation is so full of incorrect info (BS) I'm not even going to go farther!
How do I know your full of it? I did these experiments with the PROPER LED diodes a cpl of years back.....
Doc
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tokalotapot
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your not right its phytochrome not photochromeHAZE = Sativa = longer flowering times up to 16-18 weeks..
STFW????
I hate to say this dude.....But you are so full of BS that I just had to reply.....
You got SOO much wrong in that posting it's funny!
It's 730nm and you need to be effective - 10-20watt single unit diodes....Also it's "photochrome trigger" NOT "photosynthetic". You run them for 10 -15 min total and once at 1 hr to lights out (around your 3min, HID lighting still on) and again for 10-12 min starting 2 min before lights out and remain on after lights out for 10min....The rest of your explanation is so full of incorrect info (BS) I'm not even going to go farther!
How do I know your full of it? I did these experiments with the PROPER LED diodes a cpl of years back.....
Doc
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tokalotapot
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i use this because it works as i said here it is i had to upload a pick for you but it works its 3w diodes and i will be making myself more and i am straight forward shooter please respect that i never hold back information i dont blow smoke i burn dro 
hopes this helps even if you may not think so i really started this journal because of it to be honest and with respect i will document this properly humidity temp co2 watts nutes uvb and the 740nm what you dont see is the brackets on the corners that hold my reptile uvb lights because i dont want to be shined in the face with uvb
hopes this helps even if you may not think so i really started this journal because of it to be honest and with respect i will document this properly humidity temp co2 watts nutes uvb and the 740nm what you dont see is the brackets on the corners that hold my reptile uvb lights because i dont want to be shined in the face with uvbAttachments
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tokalotapot
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when you did yours did you extend the light cycle to 15on and 9 off because it is how you maintain the normal flower time but i do mine 13 on 11 off and it just happened to finish three seperate grows earlier than expected i didnt get to flush or use overdrive from advanced as i only use grand daddy master grow bundles the entire thing
tokalotapot
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oh i use 740nm because diodes are not perfect they have a 10nm swing in either direction and the swap happens to occur in the 730-750nm range more than 720 -740nm range i checked it out so i covered the obvious with 740 if you use 730nm it may be only 720nm and it wont work as good i bet because it will encourage the pfr and not the fr
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tokalotapot
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i thought dr. who ok but instead of trying to dig for knowledge that i have instead he tried to burn me but i am 100% correct on the flowering times on my girls
tokalotapot
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enough with that dumb shit though words wont change ignorance so in like 6 weeks i should be done with my flower and then i can document from begiining flower to the end cut day guaranteed no more then 48 and my mango no more than 38 followers beware i may just be right on this
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harris hawk
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Haze is on the Sativa side and normally takes - depending on which strain 8-12 weeks
tokalotapot
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no you didnt you must of half assed it by not setting up right, 730 diodes is not perfect with the range and if not then you wont get the effects at all check the diode info on how accurate they are and also check how far the pfr-fr swap for red actually happens not just 730 i like your cute little bad girl pickHAZE = Sativa = longer flowering times up to 16-18 weeks..
STFW????
I hate to say this dude.....But you are so full of BS that I just had to reply.....
You got SOO much wrong in that posting it's funny!
It's 730nm and you need to be effective - 10-20watt single unit diodes....Also it's "photochrome trigger" NOT "photosynthetic". You run them for 10 -15 min total and once at 1 hr to lights out (around your 3min, HID lighting still on) and again for 10-12 min starting 2 min before lights out and remain on after lights out for 10min....The rest of your explanation is so full of incorrect info (BS) I'm not even going to go farther!
How do I know your full of it? I did these experiments with the PROPER LED diodes a cpl of years back.....
Doc
tokalotapot
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photosynthetic far red is PFR which is the light range described (phytochrome) The phytochrome molecule is the photoreceptor for red light responses. It exists in two forms, Pr and Pfr: i know my shit my knowledge is vast even though im newish here ive been around the block for quite a while but i also understand
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tokalotapot
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my next flavor up will be blue dream as the strain and it will be done 42-47 days
tokalotapot
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The Pr form:
- Absorbs at a peak of 666 nm
- Is the form synthesized in dark-grown seedlings.
- When Pr absorbs red light, it is converted to the Pfr form.
- Absorbs at a peak of 730 nm
- The Pfr form is the active form that initiates biological responses
- When Pfr absorbs far red light, it is converted to the Pr form
- Pfr can also spontaneously revert to the Pr form in the dark over time = dark reversion; Pfr is also susceptible to proteinases.
- Pfr absorbs some red light, so in red light, there is a balance of 85% Pfr and 15% Pr
- Pr absorbs very little far red light, so in far red light, there is a balance of 97% Pr to 3% Pfr
- Phytochrome is a family of proteins with a small covalently-bound pigment molecule:
- Phytochrome proteins occur as a dimer of two identical 124 kDa polypeptides, each with a covalently-attached pigment molecule. Each polypeptide has three segments, or domains that have amino acid sequences similar to domains of other sensor proteins. [ reference ]
- The pigment is called the chromophore. It is a linear tetrapyrrole.
- When the chromophore absorbs light, there is a slight change in its structure. This causes a change in the conformation of the protein portion to the form that initiates a response.
- Phytochrome levels are much higher (about 50X) in dark-grown seedlings than in light-grown plants. Its levels are highest near the apex of the plant.
- Molecular genetics has revealed the existence of several genes for this protein in a given plant. All of these proteins use the same chromophore but differ in their sensitivity to light.
- The different phytochromes are involved in different biological responses to red light.
- Read more about the phytochrome molecule
- Sunlight has a R:FR ratio of 1.2
- Light under a canopy of leaves has a R:FR ratio of 0.13
- Light under 5 mm of soil has a R:FR ratio of 0.88
- A higher proportion of FR light allows plants to detect when they are shaded.
- Plants adapted for growth in full sun will display greater stem elongation when they are transferred to shade. They also develop smaller leaves and less branching. This change is due to greater proportion of Pr to Pfr.
- Seeds of certain plants require red light for germination; FR light inhibits germination. Many small seeds with low amounts of storage reserves (such as lettuce) show such a red light requirement.
- If these seeds they are buried below the level of light penetration in the soil, they do not germinate.
- If they are shaded by a leaf canopy, causing a high proportion of FR, germination is inhibited, Pfr is required for germination.
"Photoreceptors and circadian clocks are universal mechanisms for sensing and responding to the light environment. In addition to regulating daily activities, photoreceptors and circadian clocks are also involved in the seasonal regulation of processes such as flowering. Circadian rhythms govern many plant processes, including movements of organs such as leaves and petals, stomata opening, stem elongation, sensitivity to light of floral induction, metabolic processes such as respiration and photosynthesis and expression of a large number of different genes." - drawing and quote from Elaine Tobin's Website, UCLA.