I got 4 chill oms when i got my satori and ganesh order. 2 male 2 fems. they seem normal. they were started from seed with a 12/12. i wanted to control their hight, and i stared them late. i cant say anything about them sofar, but my satoris are sweet as hell. amazing smell, one is like resin central. my ganesh is developing kinda slow(lame) as its more indica, it should be faster than the satori. and i know nothings wrong with what im doing, they get the same treatment as the greenhouse superbud and the satori beside it. ganesh smells good, and will probably catch up, but the gh supier is awesome. Im totally pleased. stinks tho, you deffs need a charcoal filter.