Marijuana Causes Bad Stomach Problems, Etc.

bird mcbride

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I hate to disagree with everyone but MJ does not cause stomach problems. "Phages" cause stomach problems when it infects the good bacteria in your stomach.
 

Tangerine_

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Some good info here but also a lot opinions and egotistical "judgments" based on anecdotal evidence only.

I'm curious...does anyone have any experience or course work in the medical field?
Nurses, medics, physicians....anyone at all other than curioustogarden hold any type of medical science degree? Having family in the medical field doesn't validate your opinion any more than "working with this plant" does (unless your focused work is that of molecular systematics or similar)

Cannabis is truly a wondrous plant but don't be so quick to discredit other peoples experience.

You cannot saturate the human body with anything (even water) without negative effects. And sometimes it can take a great deal of time for these effects to rear their ugly heads.
 
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Z3r0Z3r0

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Some good info here but also a lot opinions and egotistical "judgments" based on anecdotal evidence only.

I'm curious...does anyone have any experience or course work in the medical field?
Nurses, medics, physicians....anyone at all other than curioustogarden hold any type of medical science degree? Having family in the medical field doesn't validate your opinion any more than "working with this plant" does (unless your focused work is that of molecular systematics or similar)

Cannabis is truly a wondrous plant but don't be so quick to discredit other peoples experience.

You cannot saturate the human body with anything (even water) without negative effects. And sometimes it can take a great deal of time for these effects to rear their ugly heads.
Then why is it happening in colorado only?
 

Tangerine_

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Then why is it happening in colorado only?
What are you talking about? CHS is not isolated to Colorado only. They may see more instances of it in triage than less cannabis friendly states because pts can answer questions truthfully about their med history when being assessed by medical providers.
I get the feeling a lot people believe medicine to be absolute and its not. Its ever evolving and it can take yrs for doctors/specialist to determine their findings. It usually starts as "clusters" of pts with identical or extremely similar CCs along with medical professionals with sharp minds to dig deeper rather than allow pts to slip through the cracks with an "undetermined" diagnosis.
 
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Tim1987

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What are you talking about? CHS is not isolated to Colorado only. They may see more instances of it in triage than less cannabis friendly states because pts can answer questions truthfully about their med history when being assessed by medical providers.
I get the feeling a lot people believe medicine to be absolute and its not. Its ever evolving and it can take yrs for doctors/specialist to determine their findings. It usually starts as "clusters" of pts with identical or extremely similar CCs along with medical professionals with sharp minds to dig deeper rather than allow pts to slip through the cracks with an "undetermined" diagnosis.
I don't know how true what Ive been told is.
But I've heard the real trial of medicine and drugs, takes 100 years. The hundred year trial starts when the drug has been approved for human consumption.
We are all test subjects, and part of drug trials run by big pharma. It's a little pessimistic, but at the end of the day, IMHO it's true.
Always figured it makes sense as well, since most humans don't live more than 100 years.
But who knows.....
 

Tangerine_

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I don't know how true what Ive been told is.
But I've heard the real trial of medicine and drugs, takes 100 years. The hundred year trial starts when the drug has been approved for human consumption.
We are all test subjects, and part of drug trials run by big pharma. It's a little pessimistic, but at the end of the day, IMHO it's true.
Always figured it makes sense as well, since most humans don't live more than 100 years.
But who knows.....
Kind of off topic a bit but war is one of the primary events that brought us many miraculous health care interventions. I get what you're saying but it really boils down to the whole "Necessity is the mother of invention".
I understand peoples dissent for "big pharma". I really do but where would we be without the randomized trials that brought us vaccines, surgical anesthetic, antisepsis, antibiotics, anti-virals, etc.
Every one of these and many more improve and extend the lives of people in society. Even opiates have their place but can have severe adverse affects if over-used/abused and IMO so can anything else we put into our bodies over extended periods of time.

Many have found relief in cannabis (I have too) but that doesn't mean it can take the place of all meds or that we should discredit their need, or the recent findings associated with it.

If we do, we're no different than those who demonized cannabis as medically useless.
Know what I mean?
And sorry if this all over the place. I've been running on empty for a good long while now and its really starting to take its toll. Especially on my memory...plus, I hung my scrubs up a long time ago.
 
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Tim1987

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Kind of off topic a bit but war is one of the primary events that brought us many miraculous health care interventions. I get what you're saying but it really boils down to the whole "Necessity is the mother of invention".
I understand peoples dissent for "big pharma". I really do but where would we be without the randomized trials that brought us vaccines, surgical anesthetic, antisepsis, antibiotics, anti-virals, etc.
Every one of these and many more improve and extend the lives of people in society. Even opiates have their place but can have severe adverse affects if over-used/abused and IMO so can anything else we put into our bodies over extended periods of time.

Many have found relief in cannabis (I have too) but that doesn't mean it can take the place of all meds or that we should discredit their need, or the recent findings associated with it.

If we do, we're no different than those who demonized cannabis as medically useless.
Know what I mean?
And sorry if this all over the place. I've been running on empty for a good long while now and its really starting to take its toll. Especially on my memory...plus, I hung my scrubs up a long time ago.
I do understand you, and totally agree.
If meds aren't thoroughly tested, then marketed as the fix everything drug, it's no better than snake oil.
Admittedly it's a relief having hospitals, surgeons etc.
Imo, though there are only a handful of drugs for heart conditions, pain, tiredness, sleep etc, etc.
There are thousands of ineffective / toxic drugs on the market. It's a shame.
Like the synthetic opiates running rampant ATM.
Lol whatever happened to good old Harry? Wonder what he's doing these days :mrgreen:
 

ttystikk

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The best working hypothesis of CHS is the improper use of neem oil and its derivatives like Azamax and Azatrol on cannabis.

It's an oil so it's very persistent. Don't use it past week 2 of bloom.
 

Z3r0Z3r0

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What are you talking about? CHS is not isolated to Colorado only. They may see more instances of it in triage than less cannabis friendly states because pts can answer questions truthfully about their med history when being assessed by medical providers.
I get the feeling a lot people believe medicine to be absolute and its not. Its ever evolving and it can take yrs for doctors/specialist to determine their findings. It usually starts as "clusters" of pts with identical or extremely similar CCs along with medical professionals with sharp minds to dig deeper rather than allow pts to slip through the cracks with an "undetermined" diagnosis.
Strange thing is Ive probably toked more even without dabs with very pure hashish of the highest class and old school AK 47 maybe a eigth in less then 4 hours, this never produced scomiting

Only thing ever happened to me similar and maybe sometimes does but has to do with blood sugar levels and even if your not diabetic, is a weakness and sort of dry nausea in stomach if my stomach is empty, it has nothing to do with whether im stoned at that moment or not. More like a physical weakness. I have seen cases of pharmaceutical drug withdrawal that affect dopamine which produce same effects as scromiting
 

bird mcbride

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Sodium Hypochlorite is the answer to constant gut rot that doesn't go away Gargle one cap full daily, in the morning and avoid swallowing. This will kill off the bad bacteria that is making it so you can't even enjoy a simple glass of milk without being sent into hell. I went for 25 years with this gut problem and the answer came from a world war vet that survived the trenches. Doctors were killing my liver with their pills that didn't work. There are similar bleaches on the market that will work. 101 bleach is formulated not to harm the skin if in contact and is basically salt and mineral water gone through electrolysis, not like Javex. I had to quit drinking alcohol it was so bad and the Rolaids and Tums were only a temporary solution that in the end did more harm than good. Certain food poisonings can haunt you for the rest of your life. It's all like a bad nightmare to me now. It took a few years but now I can drink with the buds again if I want or eat or drink all of anything without the hell. E-coli and other nasty's can come from organically grown produce...it's all synthetic now for me.

http://austinsbleach.com/product/bleach-3/

Don't swallow this shit, gargling it is enough, once in the morning or when you wake up. These parasites feed at night and that's why a lot of people find themselves wide eyed in the middle of the night. The anticoagulant that the bug(s) use to feed act much like speed on the body, that's why the wide eye in the middle of the night and that's why the burn't out feeling when waking up. You are in fact toasted everyday on speed against your want and the Police won't do anything about it. This is where smoking a big fat gagger brings you down :)

For some very odd reason the medical society can't understand what is causing this "chemical imbalance" so they try medication to attempt to counter the speed like derivative that won't synthesis that all to often shows up in the victims blood. Of course many in the medical society choose to believe that many of these victims of these types of disorders are just junkies and if they'd quit the speed their problem would likely go away. So here we have ignorance and the war on drugs getting in the way of people getting proper treatment for certain stomach problems. When the fungus starts coming out of your nails you know you haven't much time left. Keep in mind, people still die of E-coli in today's hospitals.

If you are heavily infected start with a tooth brush and a can of comet. The gasses off these bacteria when they die can be deadly so start out with very soft or diluted bleach and make the cull gradual. You will feel better the very first time you brush your mouth with Comet, leaves the mouth tasting sweet and fresh. Comet will slow the nasty but will not kill it off like 101 Bleach. If you have been inflicted for a lengthy period, it could take years to heal from the damage done after the problem has been halted. I would have died about 13 years ago if I didn't listen to that old man's words...who has been long dead from old age. I haven't suffered gut rot since the day I dipped my tooth brush in that can of Comet, and I haven't lost any sleep either. I found that my body was in a state of some kind of weird shock when I stopped getting the gut rot torture, but it was relieving.

If I had my way I'd send some of this electrified mineral water to Liz so she can clean herself up and live another forty years, then we wouldn't have to put up with that Charlie guy :)
 
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