More Troops Lost to Suicide Than Combat

Padawanbater2

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This is fuckin' ridiculous. :wall:

This is what our leaders call success..


For the second year in a row, the U.S. military has lost more troops to suicide than it has to combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The reasons are complicated and the accounting uncertain — for instance, should returning soldiers who take their own lives after being mustered out be included?

But the suicide rate is a further indication of the stress that military personnel live under after nearly a decade of war.
Figures released by the armed services last week showed an alarming increase in suicides in 2010, but those figures leave out some categories.

Overall, the services reported 434 suicides by personnel on active duty, significantly more than the 381 suicides by active-duty personnel reported in 2009. The 2010 total is below the 462 deaths in combat, excluding accidents and illness. In 2009, active-duty suicides exceeded deaths in battle.

Last week’s figures, though, understate the problem of military suicides because the services do not report the statistics uniformly. Several do so only reluctantly.
Figures reported by each of the services last week, for instance, include suicides by members of the Guard and Reserve who were on active duty at the time. The Army and the Navy also add up statistics for certain reservists who kill themselves when they are not on active duty.

But the Air Force and Marine Corps do not include any non-mobilized reservists in their posted numbers. What’s more, none of the services count suicides that occur among a class of reservists known as the Individual Ready Reserve, the more than 123,000 people who are not assigned to particular units.

Suicides by veterans who have left the service entirely after serving in Iraq and Afghanistan also are not counted by the Defense Department. The Department of Veterans Affairs keeps track of such suicides only if the person was enrolled in the VA health care system — which three-quarters of veterans are not.

But even if such veterans and members of the Individual Ready Reserve are excluded from the suicide statistics, just taking into account the deaths of reservists who were not included in last week’s figures pushes the number of suicides last year to at least 468.

That total includes some Air Force and Marine Corps reservists who took their own lives while not on active duty, and it exceeds the 462 military personnel killed in battle.

The problem of reservists’ suicides, in particular, has been a major concern to some lawmakers. A Pentagon study this year confirmed that reservists lack the support structure that active-duty troops have.

Some types of reservists are more cut off than others. Rep. Rush D. Holt, a New Jersey Democrat, says that members of the Individual Ready Reserve and other categories of citizen-soldiers do not receive a thorough screening for mental health issues when they return from deployments.

One of those soldiers, a constituent of Holt’s named Coleman S. Bean, was an Army sergeant and Iraq War veteran who suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder but could not find treatment. He took his own life in 2008.

Moved by Bean’s story, Holt wrote a bill requiring phone contacts with these reservists every 90 days after they come home from war. The House adopted Holt’s provision as part of its defense authorization bills for both fiscal 2010 and fiscal 2011. But conferees writing the final version of the bills took it out both years.

Holt said in December that Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain was responsible for that decision in the most recent bill. A spokeswoman for McCain, Brooke Buchanan, would not state his position on the provision. Instead, she said House members had removed it.

A House Armed Services Committee spokeswoman, Jennifer Kohl, said the House reluctantly pulled the provision from the bill because of the opposition of senators, whom she did not name.

Holt said a fuller reckoning of the number of suicides among military personnel and veterans is needed not so much to tell lawmakers and the public that there is a problem — that, he says, they know. Rather, it is needed to more accurately gauge the extent to which programs to help troubled troops are having an effect.

"In order to know whether the steps we’ve taken work," Holt said, "we’re going to have to have more detailed knowledge of who’s out there."
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rollajoint

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Seen a documentry on this but with the british Militry . It was something like 70% of the deaths conerning mility personal happen when they return home. SHOCKING.
 

`SoA || Asi

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yeah think about it though they see all
deaths rapes suicidebombers ect

some images dont leave the mind so you cant forget

i feel bad for them most have familys

its probley a good idea for them to smoke bud
 

Snow Crash

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Another wild fact is that you are statistically just as likely to die in an automobile accident or other disaster between the ages of 19 and 25 as your are in the military. When we aren't at war, you're actually safer as a soldier because they keep your ass in line.

Ironic, but when you look at all the driving accidents, mudslides and flooding, and even souls still alive but barely living due to uncontrolled drug addictions it becomes obvious that just making it to 60, statistically speaking, isn't the easiest thing in the world for anyone.

People who take their own lives though... that is fucking weak man. I don't think I can even comprehend what was going on in their heads but there's always a way to start anew.

Anyone ever see that trippy ass old movie with Tim Robbins... Fuck... what was that movie called... Anyway... It's a good stoner watch.
 

rollajoint

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My heart goes out to the troops onestly . No money in the world can pay for what they go through . Fuck fighting their war leave them kill them selfs . BRING THEM HOME !
 

Total Head

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i blame the support structure as suggested in the article. it's not very accepted in the military to admit you are having mental or emotional issues, which is fucked up considering they are some of the most stressed out people in the world. and it's not "how am i going to pay my rent?" stress, it's "shit i hope i'm still alive tomorrow and no one thinks i'm a pussy" stress. add to that the fact that lots of these people have done multiple tours. i can't imagine what that type of environment does to your perception of reality. we need to fix this.
 

dudemandigo

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I was Army Infantry for 5 years, i left a year early i couldnt handle it anymore after 5 years. ive seen 2 people try to kill themselves while on duty in ft. benning, GA.. Its a seriously scary thing. One of the guys didnt even die and now hes a vegitible for the rest of his life, the OTHER guy blew his head off with his m16a3. One of the many reasons why i smoke bud.
 
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