Mother from Clones +REP

greensister

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In a nutshell, i did this backwards. I made a clone from a healthy plant that i plant on flowering soon. This clone will be a mother.

I understand that this clone is essentially the same age as the mother, but im under the impression that cannabis can be set to veg indefinately.

My question is, i make a clone a mother, am i just asking for problems?

No opinions please, only experiece stories.
 

figtree

Active Member
Nope, no worries. i make all my mothers from clones, sometimes i will even use a new clone from the mother to create a new mom and flower the old mom. you said it...... a clone is a genetic duplicate of its mother.
 

CLOSETGROWTH

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Nope, no worries. i make all my mothers from clones, sometimes i will even use a new clone from the mother to create a new mom and flower the old mom. you said it...... a clone is a genetic duplicate of its mother.
You sure can... I make a new mother every 6 months from a clone. Always take a clone from the biggest baddest plant. That way you will always have the best of the best. Good luck :)
 

Little Tommy

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Sometimes it is hard to resist the urge to put the best clone into flower, over a period of years you can actually improve the plants by always taking the best clone for the mothers. There is no wrong way to do it, but you will see slight variations from one clone to the next.
 

greensister

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Im just concerned about apoptosis due to the age of the plant and subsequent clones and as DNA replicates, it wears out a little.

My goal is perpetual harvest but i have to build up some stock (clones). Right now i have 7 plants-unknown sex and strain. All have been cloned successfully. I will then flower the plants they were taken from to determine which clones will become mothers.

It seems that none of you have had problems with this method.

Thank you.
 

doc111

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Im just concerned about apoptosis due to the age of the plant and subsequent clones and as DNA replicates, it wears out a little.

My goal is perpetual harvest but i have to build up some stock (clones). Right now i have 7 plants-unknown sex and strain. All have been cloned successfully. I will then flower the plants they were taken from to determine which clones will become mothers.

It seems that none of you have had problems with this method.

Thank you.
It doesn't work that way. You will be fine making mothers out of clones. ;-)
 

figtree

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this is a big argument among growers, but if you think rationally about it, how can genes deteriorate when what your doing is an EXACT genetic copy of the plant your cutting came from, your plants genes dont deteriorate over time, why should your clones. your taking genes from a donor and using those genes to create new life, there would be all kinds of genetic problems if the genes deteriorated, not just potentcy and vigor. it would be anyhting that the genes affect..........everything.
 

greensister

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Actually, its a known scientific fact that the more a cell replicates the higher likelyhood of mutations due to the ends of DNA strands wearing out. Its a copy of a copy. There is a certian amount of degregation in each successive generation.

All cells have a self destruct mechanism called apoptosis-programmed cell death that tells the cell that it has been alive long enough and its time to die. This is natures defence mechanism to protect against overpopulation and keep unregulated cell growth in check.

Thats why i have concerns.

Thank you all for your input. I will keep all of this in mind as i make clones and mothers.
 
I might be a rookie but I have helped a friend who kept his mother for one year to date. then took a clone from that plant (mother)and waited till the clone rooted and then flowered the old mother. He said it was something he learned from the one who taught him.
 

greensister

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I might be a rookie but I have helped a friend who kept his mother for one year to date. then took a clone from that plant (mother)and waited till the clone rooted and then flowered the old mother. He said it was something he learned from the one who taught him.

Ok, thats cool. But not what i asked.
 

brainwarp

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My apologies to Greensister, as some of this is opinion.....

I had read somewhere, but have not been able to find confirmation elsewhere, that the clone is slightly inferior to the mother. Perhaps its the apoptosis you refer to. For weed, this means an imperceptible amount less thc on the clone. But, as you take clones of clones, it may not be so imperceptible. This is why I don't buy female seeds. They are made from cloned plants. It's quite likely some regular seeds are generated from clones. Of course these strains are so potent that it doesn't matter that much.

So, you can make a clone into a mother, but I prefer not to. There are sooo many awesome strains out there, why settle for the same one over and over. In addition to wanting variety for enjoyment of the smoke, its easy to get "used to" a strain. It's good to switch it up, to get a different type of buzz.
 

tat2ue

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In a nutshell, i did this backwards. I made a clone from a healthy plant that i plant on flowering soon. This clone will be a mother.

I understand that this clone is essentially the same age as the mother, but im under the impression that cannabis can be set to veg indefinately.

I am probably on the 7th or 8th generation mother from the original Blue Berry mother plant from a year and a half ago. I keep several different strains going and have 15 mothers going at all times. I have to....I need to cut 80 to 100 clones every 2 to 3 weeks for a 160 plants perpetual SOG where rooted clones go into flower and 40 plants are harvested every 2 to 3 weeks. So far I have not had any degradation on yeild or quality. And I had one plant go hermie on me in that last (estimated)1500 to 1800 clones. To be totalyl honest, I have lost track of how many times I made a clone a new mother.
 

doc111

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Actually, its a known scientific fact that the more a cell replicates the higher likelyhood of mutations due to the ends of DNA strands wearing out. Its a copy of a copy. There is a certian amount of degregation in each successive generation.

All cells have a self destruct mechanism called apoptosis-programmed cell death that tells the cell that it has been alive long enough and its time to die. This is natures defence mechanism to protect against overpopulation and keep unregulated cell growth in check.

Thats why i have concerns.

Thank you all for your input. I will keep all of this in mind as i make clones and mothers.
Apoptosis also serves to prevent out of control mutations. This thing about cuttings off of cuttings being inferior is a myth. Is there a possibility of strange things happening to clones as you get further down the line in generations? Probably, just as there is the possibility of some unforseen mutation in a mother plant kept in veg for the same amount of time. If there was serious degradation of genetics or potency or vigor or overall health the practice of taking clones of clones wouldn't be so popular. :weed:
 

greensister

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Well, i guess ill do it and see what happens.

I agree that you can get used to the same strain, but thats why i do bagseed.
 

figtree

Active Member
Actually, its a known scientific fact that the more a cell replicates the higher likelyhood of mutations due to the ends of DNA strands wearing out. Its a copy of a copy. There is a certian amount of degregation in each successive generation.

All cells have a self destruct mechanism called apoptosis-programmed cell death that tells the cell that it has been alive long enough and its time to die. This is natures defence mechanism to protect against overpopulation and keep unregulated cell growth in check.

Thats why i have concerns.

Thank you all for your input. I will keep all of this in mind as i make clones and mothers.
So..................... if you know, why ask? it works for me, i do it all the time. with absolutely no issues. i know of many people that do this as well, with no issues. if your worried about it, then dont do it. easy.

Cells replicate to create new leaves and stems, are those going to mutate also as those cells degrade?
your creating new cells from old genes when your cloning, new cells are basically resetting the clock and generating new genes and cells. any time your working with life or genes there is a chance of mutations, even off of seeds.
your eating cloned beef, chicken, vegetables, pork.... you name it, your eating it. are these 5 legged cows, chickens with 3 wings, pigs that can fly?
but you know so no point in continuing the conversation.
good luck to you, and I'll think twice before answering a question from you again, cuz you already know.
fig
 

figtree

Active Member
Hey just re-read my post, wanted to tell ya, I'm not mad...... i just came across that way.
good luck, not trying to be a jerk, sorry.
fig
 

greensister

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I already knew you werent being a jerk. So you didnt need to clarify.

And no, i didnt know. I know some basic cellular biology and i have a decent knowledge of horticlulture and some spectator information about cloning (not limited to plants). I was looking for case based examples to help determine the generational degregation influence of cloning to help bridge the gaps.
 

zeyroc420

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hello to all my brothers in (f)arms, i would like to know where is the best location for cutting?the top of the plant or the lower branches? really want to start cloning,and feel the goodness of creation,lol,anyway any answers?thx.
 
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